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Post by Peter Parker on Dec 11, 2016 12:09:26 GMT
Pathetic from Clarke and the rules that allow something like that just shows the law is an ass. I.dont know if they are already but all sending offs should be reviewed. In an instance like this,.the Bury player can still be suspended but a punishment should befall Clarke for sumulation. It is possible for the victim to take the piss as we all know and a justified red card should not mean play acting goes unpunished |
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Post by paddingtongas on Dec 11, 2016 14:43:31 GMT
Pathetic from Clarke and the rules that allow something like that just shows the law is an ass. I.dont know if they are already but all sending offs should be reviewed. In an instance like this,.the Bury player can still be suspended but a punishment should befall Clarke for sumulation. It is possible for the victim to take the piss as we all know and a justified red card should not mean play acting goes unpunished I agree, simulation should be punished after the event if not seen by the officials, but where would you draw the line ? just cautions & sending offs, or review the whole game ? |
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Post by fanatical on Dec 11, 2016 17:03:49 GMT
I wasn't saying it shouldn't have been a red (even though I disagree with the law that makes it a red), my point is Clarke should be embarrassed by his reaction. It's a problem in the game, just look at that nonsense at Emirates yesterday, a team who have spent a decade hacking opposition players off of the pitch and who still employ that animal Shawcross, have a player touched in the penalty area and over he goes as if hit by a New Orleans rioter's baseball bat. I was worried, he was motionless on the ground clutching his face, what could it be, fractured cheek bone, could the poor man even lose an eye? But no, 2 minutes later, having secured a penalty for his team he's made a miracle recovery. Problem is, everybody does it, so if you don't you put yourself at a disadvantage. A few years back someone took a cheap shot at Pipe, he just grinned and squared up to the bloke, the other bloke got away with it, Pipe got booked. And that just about sums it all up. It starts with poor referees who have no idea what's happening in front of them and is compounded by a lack of respect between players.well said - and poor administrators who can't find a way of stopping it. (time to bring in video evidence and take action by fining players after the event) |
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Post by irishrover on Dec 11, 2016 21:53:36 GMT
It's a problem in the game, just look at that nonsense at Emirates yesterday, a team who have spent a decade hacking opposition players off of the pitch and who still employ that animal Shawcross, have a player touched in the penalty area and over he goes as if hit by a New Orleans rioter's baseball bat. I was worried, he was motionless on the ground clutching his face, what could it be, fractured cheek bone, could the poor man even lose an eye? But no, 2 minutes later, having secured a penalty for his team he's made a miracle recovery. Problem is, everybody does it, so if you don't you put yourself at a disadvantage. A few years back someone took a cheap shot at Pipe, he just grinned and squared up to the bloke, the other bloke got away with it, Pipe got booked. And that just about sums it all up. It starts with poor referees who have no idea what's happening in front of them and is compounded by a lack of respect between players.well said - and poor administrators who can't find a way of stopping it. (time to bring in video evidence and take action by fining players after the event) They have this in NHL ice hockey (which I follow quite closely) but it didn't really solve the problem. Leads to a whole load of rows about what constitutes a 'dive' which everyone pores over from 1000 different angles until they find the one that proves their case and everyone thinking the league is biased against their team. What it hasn't done is lead to any obvious decline in diving.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Dec 12, 2016 6:37:09 GMT
I think there should be an fa committee made up from ex players and referees to oversee any non gentlemanly conduct retroactively.
Obviously with technology, action can be taken against any player / staff in form of fines or cards and can be open to anyone to lodge complaint.
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Post by interceptor on Dec 12, 2016 7:01:55 GMT
It's not the bristol rovers way and I am embarrassed that a player in the quarters has reacted in that way.
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Post by TaiwanGas on Dec 12, 2016 8:29:30 GMT
From the clear replay, seems Clarke starts the affray running into the back of Dann with a forearm smash come elbow to the back of his noggin, must have caught him by surprise and am not at all surprised by Dann's reaction, was naughty!....
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Post by Cheshiregas on Dec 12, 2016 11:01:14 GMT
I wasn't saying it shouldn't have been a red (even though I disagree with the law that makes it a red), my point is Clarke should be embarrassed by his reaction. It's a problem in the game, just look at that nonsense at Emirates yesterday, a team who have spent a decade hacking opposition players off of the pitch and who still employ that animal Shawcross, have a player touched in the penalty area and over he goes as if hit by a New Orleans rioter's baseball bat. I was worried, he was motionless on the ground clutching his face, what could it be, fractured cheek bone, could the poor man even lose an eye? But no, 2 minutes later, having secured a penalty for his team he's made a miracle recovery. Problem is, everybody does it, so if you don't you put yourself at a disadvantage. A few years back someone took a cheap shot at Pipe, he just grinned and squared up to the bloke, the other bloke got away with it, Pipe got booked. And that just about sums it all up. It starts with poor referees who have no idea what's happening in front of them and is compounded by a lack of respect between players. I know it goes against the grain for many Bamber but in fairness to referees they can only manage and deal with what they see. If they miss a sly dig but see the reaction they can only deal with the reaction. Also the assistant referees or whatever they are called these days should be picking more up. That's the way they deal with it in rugby. Mind you in rugby the referees explain their decisions and don't act like prima donnas unlike some of the league refs I have seen in action recently! Agree with what you say about lack of respect between players! |
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Post by Foran for England on Dec 12, 2016 11:30:51 GMT
I expect Clarke will be suspended as well looking at the highlights.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2016 11:57:27 GMT
It's a problem in the game, just look at that nonsense at Emirates yesterday, a team who have spent a decade hacking opposition players off of the pitch and who still employ that animal Shawcross, have a player touched in the penalty area and over he goes as if hit by a New Orleans rioter's baseball bat. I was worried, he was motionless on the ground clutching his face, what could it be, fractured cheek bone, could the poor man even lose an eye? But no, 2 minutes later, having secured a penalty for his team he's made a miracle recovery. Problem is, everybody does it, so if you don't you put yourself at a disadvantage. A few years back someone took a cheap shot at Pipe, he just grinned and squared up to the bloke, the other bloke got away with it, Pipe got booked. And that just about sums it all up. It starts with poor referees who have no idea what's happening in front of them and is compounded by a lack of respect between players. I know it goes against the grain for many Bamber but in fairness to referees they can only manage and deal with what they see. If they miss a sly dig but see the reaction they can only deal with the reaction. Also the assistant referees or whatever they are called these days should be picking more up. That's the way they deal with it in rugby. Mind you in rugby the referees explain their decisions and don't act like prima donnas unlike some of the league refs I have seen in action recently! Agree with what you say about lack of respect between players! I think you miss the point. Do you think the Stoke player was injured to a degree that justified laying curled up on the ground holding his face? Obviously that ref saw something to give a penalty, what he saw was minimal contact followed by a player pretending to be injured. If we accept your view that decisions are given for the reaction rather than the offence then we have 2 issues, we'll have players going down all over the place saying they have been kicked / punched / elbowed and the ref will have to take action against someone, secondly, if a grown man with any self respect is flat out on the ground with a head injury in front of thousands in attendance and a global audience of millions then surely he must be so seriously injured that the referee's duty of care extends to excluding him from continued participation. |
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Post by jqgas on Dec 12, 2016 14:54:05 GMT
It's not the bristol rovers way and I am embarrassed that a player in the quarters has reacted in that way. Embarrassing is right. I think the fact that Danns shook hands with him afterwards makes it even more so - it may have been an ironic way of saying "Thanks for provoking a situation which will land me with a 3-match ban" but it certainly made Clarke look pretty pathetic. |
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Post by mrbluesky on Dec 12, 2016 15:23:23 GMT
From the clear replay, seems Clarke starts the affray running into the back of Dann with a forearm smash come elbow to the back of his noggin, must have caught him by surprise and am not at all surprised by Dann's reaction, was naughty!.... except that it may have started before clarke gave him a whack? |
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Post by mrbluesky on Dec 12, 2016 15:27:56 GMT
Its a big problem in the game,arguably the best player in the world is a master at play acting[ronaldo] there are comical compilations on youtube of simulation by players.
looking at the incident i think james clarke did feel a bit foolish about the red card though im not condoning his reaction.
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Post by Cheshiregas on Dec 12, 2016 16:45:45 GMT
I know it goes against the grain for many Bamber but in fairness to referees they can only manage and deal with what they see. If they miss a sly dig but see the reaction they can only deal with the reaction. Also the assistant referees or whatever they are called these days should be picking more up. That's the way they deal with it in rugby. Mind you in rugby the referees explain their decisions and don't act like prima donnas unlike some of the league refs I have seen in action recently! Agree with what you say about lack of respect between players! I think you miss the point. Do you think the Stoke player was injured to a degree that justified laying curled up on the ground holding his face? Obviously that ref saw something to give a penalty, what he saw was minimal contact followed by a player pretending to be injured. If we accept your view that decisions are given for the reaction rather than the offence then we have 2 issues, we'll have players going down all over the place saying they have been kicked / punched / elbowed and the ref will have to take action against someone, secondly, if a grown man with any self respect is flat out on the ground with a head injury in front of thousands in attendance and a global audience of millions then surely he must be so seriously injured that the referee's duty of care extends to excluding him from continued participation. Apologies Bamber my response was to your last para re Pipe being booked. I should have taken the Stoke bit out. With regard to the Stoke incident it was obvious later that there was nothing wrong with the guy. In rugby you don't get that type of cheating so much because quite frankly it is embarrassing. However where someone is seen to cheat like that and it is so blatantly obvious that it can be proved after then retrospective action should be taken and a harsh penalty invoked. There are laws in place to punish players who cheat or feign injury and they are not used! It is not going to happen because neither FIFA nor the Premier League nor the EFL have the bottle to do it. And let's be fair a lot of European countries league games would have to be cancelled if they did do it. Shame it has come into our game. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2016 18:49:32 GMT
I think you miss the point. Do you think the Stoke player was injured to a degree that justified laying curled up on the ground holding his face? Obviously that ref saw something to give a penalty, what he saw was minimal contact followed by a player pretending to be injured. If we accept your view that decisions are given for the reaction rather than the offence then we have 2 issues, we'll have players going down all over the place saying they have been kicked / punched / elbowed and the ref will have to take action against someone, secondly, if a grown man with any self respect is flat out on the ground with a head injury in front of thousands in attendance and a global audience of millions then surely he must be so seriously injured that the referee's duty of care extends to excluding him from continued participation. Apologies Bamber my response was to your last para re Pipe being booked. I should have taken the Stoke bit out. With regard to the Stoke incident it was obvious later that there was nothing wrong with the guy. In rugby you don't get that type of cheating so much because quite frankly it is embarrassing.However where someone is seen to cheat like that and it is so blatantly obvious that it can be proved after then retrospective action should be taken and a harsh penalty invoked. There are laws in place to punish players who cheat or feign injury and they are not used! It is not going to happen because neither FIFA nor the Premier League nor the EFL have the bottle to do it. And let's be fair a lot of European countries league games would have to be cancelled if they did do it. Shame it has come into our game. just blood capsules. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2016 19:13:56 GMT
I think you miss the point. Do you think the Stoke player was injured to a degree that justified laying curled up on the ground holding his face? Obviously that ref saw something to give a penalty, what he saw was minimal contact followed by a player pretending to be injured. If we accept your view that decisions are given for the reaction rather than the offence then we have 2 issues, we'll have players going down all over the place saying they have been kicked / punched / elbowed and the ref will have to take action against someone, secondly, if a grown man with any self respect is flat out on the ground with a head injury in front of thousands in attendance and a global audience of millions then surely he must be so seriously injured that the referee's duty of care extends to excluding him from continued participation. Apologies Bamber my response was to your last para re Pipe being booked. I should have taken the Stoke bit out. With regard to the Stoke incident it was obvious later that there was nothing wrong with the guy. In rugby you don't get that type of cheating so much because quite frankly it is embarrassing. However where someone is seen to cheat like that and it is so blatantly obvious that it can be proved after then retrospective action should be taken and a harsh penalty invoked. There are laws in place to punish players who cheat or feign injury and they are not used! It is not going to happen because neither FIFA nor the Premier League nor the EFL have the bottle to do it. And let's be fair a lot of European countries league games would have to be cancelled if they did do it. Shame it has come into our game. Brings me back to the ref taking charge and exercising his judgement. Anyone that badly injured who wants to continue in a contact sport must be suffering some form of concussion injury. Off he goes, no more participation for at least 30 days and until a full brain scan has been passed. |
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Post by CountyGroundHotel on Dec 12, 2016 19:24:49 GMT
Apologies Bamber my response was to your last para re Pipe being booked. I should have taken the Stoke bit out. With regard to the Stoke incident it was obvious later that there was nothing wrong with the guy. In rugby you don't get that type of cheating so much because quite frankly it is embarrassing.However where someone is seen to cheat like that and it is so blatantly obvious that it can be proved after then retrospective action should be taken and a harsh penalty invoked. There are laws in place to punish players who cheat or feign injury and they are not used! It is not going to happen because neither FIFA nor the Premier League nor the EFL have the bottle to do it. And let's be fair a lot of European countries league games would have to be cancelled if they did do it. Shame it has come into our game. just blood capsules. You prove the point perfectly April 2009 that happened and you can't think of anything else since. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2016 19:38:21 GMT
You prove the point perfectly April 2009 that happened and you can't think of anything else since. It was enough. |
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Post by CountyGroundHotel on Dec 12, 2016 19:44:08 GMT
You prove the point perfectly April 2009 that happened and you can't think of anything else since. It was enough. It's got to be enough because you can't think of anything else, which tells you a lot about respect in the 2 sports. |
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Post by laughinggas on Dec 12, 2016 19:54:36 GMT
So the ref gets all decisions about the scrum correct?
Think there is cheating there.
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