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Post by stevek192 on Nov 23, 2016 0:53:42 GMT
I'm afraid its a very short report tonight as I'm off to Scotland for 3 days and after that tonight the further from Bristol I am the better. To be honest I can't really criticise the team selection even though it was another five changes and a complete change of formation but at least it looked balanced and attacking. What was to follow can only be described as a complete and utter nightmare both in terms of the team performance and in individual performances where I have not even given a Man of the Match because nobody bar nobody deserved the title. The way an average Charlton side were able to look world beaters had to be seen to be believed. Despite the fact that we should have scored a couple in the first half we found ourselves two goals down and really three changes at the start of the second half whilst maybe warranted left us; as it has a few times this season, at risk of an injury leaving us a player short and tonight DC's policy finally came to bite him on the backside with what looked a serious injury to Clarke- Salter leaving us three goals down and 1 man short and what was an uphill task at half time had become an impossible task that was only going to get worse. In truth I struggle to remember a match where so many were off form and even straightforward passes were going astray on a regular basis with each player seemingly trying to outdo the other for worse pass or shot of the night.
Roos 4. Little to do first half other than pick the ball out of the net twice but was questionable on two of the second half goals without being totally to blame for dreadful defending in front of him and I would have to see the goals again to really judge if he was in any way to blame as two goals took a deflection .
Leadbitter 5. Missing on the second goal and overall was disappointing other than a few decent crosses.
Lockyer 4 Terrible game other than a brilliant clearance off the line in the first half.
JCS 4 Struggled against a clever opponent and lacked a physical presence on a bad night which got much worse when he suffered what looked like a broken arm and was stretchered off.
Brown 4 Never got going at all either defensively or as an attacking outlet.
Moore 5. Tried his best and I thought he was a bit unlucky to be subbed as he was no worse than most and better than some.
Sinclair 5 Tried hard but even he was a mere shadow for long parts of the time he was on the pitch as Charlton tore through us far too often and he rarely gave a forward pass and in a way he tried to hard to cover every inch and left us all over the place
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Lines 5. Too many showboat passes that missed their target and although he improved as the game went on with a brilliant run which saw him brought down just outside the area it was not one of his better games and really with Sincs just running around rather than being organised we were outnumbered in midfield.
Montano 4 A very mixed bag of good crosses and damnright embarrassing ones. He struggled to see much of the ball as Brown frustrated with long passes when the simple pass was on and as such he seemed to try too hard when the ball did come his way and a good piece of work was quickly followed by a poor piece of work if you can describe football that way.
Gaffney 6 Only one to come out of the game with any credit whatsoever but does struggle in the air especially against big dominant defenders but he made up for this with his ground work and sheer effort. Would surely have scored had he not been bundled over for the penalty following good dribbling skills.. Put himself about really well and was unlucky not to score when the keeper deliberately took him down for the penalty.
Taylor 4. Well he scored a penalty which is really about all he did. Three half chances were his sum total and he failed on each occasion.
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Hartley 4.5. Struggled for pace and obviously was not helped when we went one short soon after he came on.
Colkett 4. No impact whatsoever. Tried far too many long passes which generally found an opponent and looks very much like a player who is good when things are going our way but struggles when we are up against it and tonight we certainly were!
Harrison 4 Did very little but no worse than anyone else.
Crowd 7 Showed great character when it would have been easy to get on the players backs and cheered to the end ironic as it was.
Ref 7 Good but was a game where we were so poor that it may have been good to have a referee to blame.
Charlton 7 Very good. much better than I thought they would be. Strong at the back and quick and skilful up front and in midfield but how much was down to their quality and how much was down to our teams performance we shall never know.They looked world beaters but unfortunately they were playing against opponents who made far too many schoolboy errors.
DC Team totally let him down tonight but I felt that he made the change to three at the back far too early and should have given the first half team a bit longer. Using three substitutes so early was sure to one day be too great a risk and tonight was that occasion. To his credit he came out after the game and accepted he must look at his own performance and apologised for what was an embarrassing night.
So after three League games that has only seen us gain one point with 1 goal scored and 9 conceded we go to a Chesterfield side who themselves ended an eight match winless run tonight with a 3-2 win at MK Dons and must be looking forward to our visit on Saturday. They will write us off at their peril or I hope they will! UTG
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Nov 23, 2016 5:15:09 GMT
Can we take a positive out of this, that after reflection we are big enough to accept that we are not good enough to mount a serious promotion challenge?
A harsh but fair clipping of the wings exercise.
We've been on a promotion roll for two years now, with DC on a seemingly Midas touch, but even this season mistakes have been glossed over by get-outta-jail last minute goals that have detracted attention from genuine mistakes that keep reoccurring.
Defensively, we are poor in this league. Statistically, our unit ships goals with catalogues of seemingly amateurish mistakes. And rotationally, three players automatically pick themselves. We hardly ever stop crosses in, mark up correctly and constantly look lost playing to each other at the back.
I think DC this time last year got the goal keeping situation wrong, had to eat humble pie after his public comments on Milds, then turned to him after succession of failures. I'm not bringing this back up for fun.....he may be playing himself into same place this season. Roos form is at best inconsistent. The headered goal seemed to go straight through him last night (ok, no marking again), but it was too easy. Yes, he has made important saves. For me, jury is out and it's another big questonmark of whether we are good enough at this level.
Glad DC manned up and apologised to fans publicly.
He's certainly earned the right to make mistakes. Not too many though. I just hope we can learn from them.
....because tbf, that's a horrible league below us and we need to do whatever it takes to not return there.
UptheGas!
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Post by Peter Parker on Nov 23, 2016 6:43:23 GMT
Can we take a positive out of this, that after reflection we are big enough to accept that we are not good enough to mount a serious promotion challenge? A harsh but fair clipping of the wings exercise. We've been on a promotion roll for two years now, with DC on a seemingly Midas touch, but even this season mistakes have been glossed over by get-outta-jail last minute goals that have detracted attention from genuine mistakes that keep reoccurring. Defensively, we are poor in this league. Statistically, our unit ships goals with catalogues of seemingly amateurish mistakes. And rotationally, three players automatically pick themselves. We hardly ever stop crosses in, mark up correctly and constantly look lost playing to each other at the back. I think DC this time last year got the goal keeping situation wrong, had to eat humble pie after his public comments on Milds, then turned to him after succession of failures. I'm not bringing this back up for fun.....he may be playing himself into same place this season. Roos form is at best inconsistent. The headered goal seemed to go straight through him last night (ok, no marking again), but it was too easy. Yes, he has made important saves. For me, jury is out and it's another big questonmark of whether we are good enough at this level. Glad DC manned up and apologised to fans publicly. He's certainly earned the right to make mistakes. Not too many though. I just hope we can learn from them. ....because tbf, that's a horrible league below us and we need to do whatever it takes to not return there. UptheGas! Accept now he doesnt have Mildy available for months.
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Post by gasheadpirate on Nov 23, 2016 7:12:41 GMT
I thought Moore was a waste of space and at least Montano was trying to create things. Three subs early is always a risk and it just added to a woeful night. This and Millwall are reality checks. We have been found out now and talk of promotion is fantasy. Mid table would be fine by me. Just hope the team's confidence has not been broken by these results.
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Post by bluecamel on Nov 23, 2016 8:18:22 GMT
Until Charlton scored both teams were very even, evil deflection separated the two teams. Sucker punch goal just before half time [0-2] and the cracks were showing. 2nd half was a total nightmare, no excuses Daryl, the Gas were dreadful and Athletic put us to the sword. To many team changes and one or two who keep getting picked are simply not good enough, Sinclair has the energy, the pride but none of the skill required to enforce himself as a midfield play maker., like most I love the guy but find it hard to understand why we keep playing him, other than his enthusiasm - I see no other reason?
Charlton were not that good, we were that poor - we made them look good.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2016 8:25:43 GMT
Totally. I'd rather we never fell below this division than we got promoted before falling to the fourth or below again. It's so much better in the third, and crucial to BRFC remaining a big club to the next generation of Bristolians. Third division chasing second division with occasional FA Cup runs is a perfectly acceptable norm for me. Then grow gradually and sustainably via the Al Qadi evolution. Three successive promotions was probably dreaming on our part, and good for us for ambitious dreaming. Comfortably mid third, and promoted to the second eventually, is realistic and sustainable.
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Post by harrybuckle on Nov 23, 2016 8:46:18 GMT
Thought Locks was immense especially first half made some good blocks and stopped two certain goals,
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Post by Henbury Gas on Nov 23, 2016 9:02:36 GMT
I cannot understand why Ollie Clarke is not playing. He may not be the most gifted but you get 100% and he can score goals which none of our current midfield do. Play him just in front of the back 4 and he will cut out most of the balls coming his way
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2016 9:03:58 GMT
If that performance by Gaffney only gets a 6 and Lockyer had a terrible game then either you or me were at a different game last night.
You've given those ratings based on the result rather than the players' performances.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Nov 23, 2016 9:10:36 GMT
I cannot understand why Ollie Clarke is not playing. He may not be the most gifted but you get 100% and he can score goals which none of our current midfield do. Play him just in front of the back 4 and he will cut out most of the balls coming his way Ayyyy to that! A few issues though.. 1) I would like to see Ollie play further up pitch because he isn't shot shy. 2) He should've replaced ClarkeSalter to keep the requisite Clarkes on the pitch. 3) As Steve automatically scores him 5.5-6 maximum, he would be contender for m o m..
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Post by trunky on Nov 23, 2016 9:11:19 GMT
First time Iv'e seen Roos play OMG.
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Post by stevek192 on Nov 23, 2016 9:22:38 GMT
Bamber, 6 was the highest mark I would give anybody after that game last night and the Charlton central defenders had far too much aerial supremacy to give Rory a higher mark as he is the only reasonably built player we have and as such should be winning a far higher percentage of high balls.So you think Lockyer had a good game? Defence was absolutely terrible and has for too long been covered by a midfield that sits in a defensive shell for long periods of the game. Sincs,whilst having enthusiasm and commitment to the cause has his limitations which were sadly exposed last night and there are times where your full backs need to totally concentrate on defending and giving quick passes to their wingers rather than selfishly holding on to the ball too long and making both wingers go inside. Ollie Clarke is IMO basically a National League player and when his contract runs out will struggle to find a team at League level other than maybe a Newport. He just doesn't want the ball and as regards his goalscoring how many goals has he scored this season?
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Post by Peter Parker on Nov 23, 2016 9:28:49 GMT
Pretty much everyone was poor last night. The second goal before half-time seemed to knock the wind out of us and it went downhill fast, compounded by the injury to JCS.
In some ways I would think it better for everyone to have a ‘mare in the same game and get battered rather than get undone by individuals mistakes in separate games. As DC said after the game it’s how we bounce back after 2/3 disappointing results.
I get the arguments for having a settled team, even if I defend DC’s right to continue what has generally worked. Now I guess we are going to get a settled defence unless McChrystal finds some pace or James Clarke is suddenly fit.
We can all rightfully be disappointed with the recent results, but let’s take a breath. I personally saw more in MK and Charlton thinking they should be higher than they are, than the s**te like Gillingham and Fleetwood that we have played.
Mid-table is/will be a successful season and I am sure we have more than enough to achieve that
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2016 9:54:07 GMT
Bamber, 6 was the highest mark I would give anybody after that game last night and the Charlton central defenders had far too much aerial supremacy to give Rory a higher mark as he is the only reasonably built player we have and as such should be winning a far higher percentage of high balls.So you think Lockyer had a good game? Defence was absolutely terrible and has for too long been covered by a midfield that sits in a defensive shell for long periods of the game. Sincs,whilst having enthusiasm and commitment to the cause has his limitations which were sadly exposed last night and there are times where your full backs need to totally concentrate on defending and giving quick passes to their wingers rather than selfishly holding on to the ball too long and making both wingers go inside. Ollie Clarke is IMO basically a National League player and when his contract runs out will struggle to find a team at League level other than maybe a Newport. He just doesn't want the ball and as regards his goalscoring how many goals has he scored this season? Firstly, if you have a question about Ollie Clarke, direct it towards someone who is questioning you about that player. Secondly, Tom Lockyer is just one player, last night he was trying not only to do his job and that of the other central defender in the first half. but also guess what mistake the other defender was about to make next and cover for that as well. Seriously, if that's a 'poor game' give up trying to write reports because, with all due respect, you don't know what you are looking at. Rude, maybe, but you are talking nonsense. Lastly. Gaffney. It wasn't until Ellis came on that we started aiming more high balls down the middle looking for flick ons, (there were some earlier, but mostly towards Taylor) Gaffney was mostly chasing balls into channels or was having passes directed to him below head height, what do you want him to do, dive and head balls at ankle height? He didn't stop running, even at 5-0 down. It's OK to have different opinions, but when you talk rubbish you have to expect to get called out on it.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Nov 23, 2016 10:01:50 GMT
Bamber, 6 was the highest mark I would give anybody after that game last night and the Charlton central defenders had far too much aerial supremacy to give Rory a higher mark as he is the only reasonably built player we have and as such should be winning a far higher percentage of high balls.So you think Lockyer had a good game? Defence was absolutely terrible and has for too long been covered by a midfield that sits in a defensive shell for long periods of the game. Sincs,whilst having enthusiasm and commitment to the cause has his limitations which were sadly exposed last night and there are times where your full backs need to totally concentrate on defending and giving quick passes to their wingers rather than selfishly holding on to the ball too long and making both wingers go inside. Ollie Clarke is IMO basically a National League player and when his contract runs out will struggle to find a team at League level other than maybe a Newport. He just doesn't want the ball and as regards his goalscoring how many goals has he scored this season? Firstly, if you have a question about Ollie Clarke, direct it towards someone who is questioning you about that player. Secondly, Tom Lockyer is just one player, last night he was trying not only to do his job and that of the other central defender in the first half. but also guess what mistake the other defender was about to make next and cover for that as well. Seriously, if that's a 'poor game' give up trying to write reports because, with all due respect, you don't know what you are looking at. Rude, maybe, but you are talking nonsense. Lastly. Gaffney. It wasn't until Ellis came on that we started aiming more high balls down the middle looking for flick ons, (there were some earlier, but mostly towards Taylor) Gaffney was mostly chasing balls into channels or was having passes directed to him below head height, what do you want him to do, dive and head balls at ankle height? He didn't stop running, even at 5-0 down. It's OK to have different opinions, but when you talk rubbish you have to expect to get called out on it.Kettle, Black............. Its all HA again i say !
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2016 10:14:28 GMT
Firstly, if you have a question about Ollie Clarke, direct it towards someone who is questioning you about that player. Secondly, Tom Lockyer is just one player, last night he was trying not only to do his job and that of the other central defender in the first half. but also guess what mistake the other defender was about to make next and cover for that as well. Seriously, if that's a 'poor game' give up trying to write reports because, with all due respect, you don't know what you are looking at. Rude, maybe, but you are talking nonsense. Lastly. Gaffney. It wasn't until Ellis came on that we started aiming more high balls down the middle looking for flick ons, (there were some earlier, but mostly towards Taylor) Gaffney was mostly chasing balls into channels or was having passes directed to him below head height, what do you want him to do, dive and head balls at ankle height? He didn't stop running, even at 5-0 down. It's OK to have different opinions, but when you talk rubbish you have to expect to get called out on it.Kettle, Black............. Its all HA again i say ! What's HA? You're always wrong about everything as well anyway, so don't know why I'm even bothering to ask
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Post by eppinggas on Nov 23, 2016 10:57:26 GMT
I guess you can agree to disagree with someone, or you can chose to be just rude. Other forums welcome the latter and are available. I tend to listen more to respectful opinion.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Nov 23, 2016 11:19:12 GMT
Bamber, and as regards his goalscoring how many goals has he scored this season? Same as Sinclair, Moore, Leadbitter, Lockyer, James Clarke, Luke James.. None. I thought Locks had best game of defenders last night, wasn't personally attributed to any goal conceded and saved one certain goal. His form this season is questionable though.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Nov 23, 2016 12:26:22 GMT
Kettle, Black............. Its all HA again i say ! What's HA? You're always wrong about everything as well anyway, so don't know why I'm even bothering to ask I'm happy to admit to be wrong on some things, you never do Yes i know you are part of the HA so i will treat you kindly
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2016 12:27:29 GMT
What's HA? You're always wrong about everything as well anyway, so don't know why I'm even bothering to ask I'm happy to admit to be wrong on some things, you never do Yes i know you are part of the HA so i will treat you kindly Blimey, I'd for gotten your hidden agenda, what was it you were hiding again?
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