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Post by womble on Sept 27, 2016 16:28:37 GMT
Whilst I agree with you, you can't really argue against the city and county boundaries being the official limits of Bristol. Can too.
The boudaries of the City and County of Bristol are there for administrative purposes. They are the boudaries of the City and County of Bristol, but the are not the boundaries of Bristol as a contiguous urban conurbation, as defined and regularly reviewed by the ONS.
When there was no City and County of Bristol authority - during the Avon era, and before the first City Charter - was there no Bristol? Government dictat does not override physical reality, this is not Airstrip One.
There was a Bristol, as the City of Bristol was one of six district authorities within the County of Avon. I suppose the argument is whether geographical Bristol extends beyond its administrative boundaries, which I would agree with. However, both UWE and Almondsbury are clearly under the re-mit of South Glos. planners. I would repeat a point made many times before, and still overlooked by some, that neither Rovers or City have ever had a planning application refused by the city council.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2016 17:00:38 GMT
Can too.
The boudaries of the City and County of Bristol are there for administrative purposes. They are the boudaries of the City and County of Bristol, but the are not the boundaries of Bristol as a contiguous urban conurbation, as defined and regularly reviewed by the ONS.
When there was no City and County of Bristol authority - during the Avon era, and before the first City Charter - was there no Bristol? Government dictat does not override physical reality, this is not Airstrip One.
There was a Bristol, as the City of Bristol was one of six district authorities within the County of Avon. I suppose the argument is whether geographical Bristol extends beyond its administrative boundaries, which I would agree with. However, both UWE and Almondsbury are clearly under the re-mit of South Glos. planners. I would repeat a point made many times before, and still overlooked by some, that neither Rovers or City have ever had a planning application refused by the city council. Your last point is an excellent one Womble.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2016 17:16:08 GMT
Not really. He's defined the Bristol Urban Area as being bigger than Bristol. Which is obvious. But unless and until the boundaries move, Bristol stops at Filton and Kingswood. Well I was born in Filton which at the time was in the borough of Chipping Sodbury within the county of Gloucestershire so it would be wrong to call myself Bristolian. Thats like saying somebody from Brentford was a Cockney. There was a sign on Southmead rd opposite the Bawa club marking the Bristol boundry,used to drink in the Anchor because they had a 11pm time shout compared to our pubs 10.30pm back in the day.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2016 17:39:55 GMT
eden grove marked the bristol boundary by us
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2016 22:31:54 GMT
Well I was born in Filton which at the time was in the borough of Chipping Sodbury within the county of Gloucestershire so it would be wrong to call myself Bristolian. Thats like saying somebody from Brentford was a Cockney. There was a sign on Southmead rd opposite the Bawa club marking the Bristol boundry,used to drink in the Anchor because they had a 11pm time shout compared to our pubs 10.30pm back in the day. That was my local in the mid to late 80's.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2016 22:32:28 GMT
eden grove marked the bristol boundary by us Correct, the last road in Bristol.
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Post by faggotygas on Sept 28, 2016 8:22:29 GMT
Well I was born in Filton which at the time was in the borough of Chipping Sodbury within the county of Gloucestershire so it would be wrong to call myself Bristolian. Thats like saying somebody from Brentford was a Cockney. There was a sign on Southmead rd opposite the Bawa club marking the Bristol boundry,used to drink in the Anchor because they had a 11pm time shout compared to our pubs 10.30pm back in the day. Administrative Bristol, not, as a poster above neatly puts, geographical Bristol.
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Post by faggotygas on Sept 28, 2016 8:23:26 GMT
Not really. He's defined the Bristol Urban Area as being bigger than Bristol. Which is obvious. But unless and until the boundaries move, Bristol stops at Filton and Kingswood. Well I was born in Filton which at the time was in the borough of Chipping Sodbury within the county of Gloucestershire so it would be wrong to call myself Bristolian. Thats like saying somebody from Brentford was a Cockney. Nope, it would be like saying someone from Brentford was a Londoner, which they are. If someone from outside Bristol asks where you are from, you say Gloucestershire? I would say Bristol.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2016 9:05:05 GMT
Well I was born in Filton which at the time was in the borough of Chipping Sodbury within the county of Gloucestershire so it would be wrong to call myself Bristolian. Thats like saying somebody from Brentford was a Cockney. Nope, it would be like saying someone from Brentford was a Londoner, which they are. If someone from outside Bristol asks where you are from, you say Gloucestershire? I would say Bristol. I say, just to the North of Bristol in South Gloucestershire. I can't call myself a Bristolian because I'm not.
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Post by strung out on Sept 28, 2016 10:57:24 GMT
Well I was born in Filton which at the time was in the borough of Chipping Sodbury within the county of Gloucestershire so it would be wrong to call myself Bristolian. Thats like saying somebody from Brentford was a Cockney. Nope, it would be like saying someone from Brentford was a Londoner, which they are. If someone from outside Bristol asks where you are from, you say Gloucestershire? I would say Bristol. Croydon is a better example. Someone from Croydon could realistically say they were from Surrey, London and the town of Croydon. All three are correct, and it would be churlish for someone to deny any of them. Although administratively Filton, Kingswood etc may be outside of Bristol, I think that anyone from one of those places could reasonably say they were from Filton/Kingswood, Bristol and Gloucestershire.
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Post by faggotygas on Sept 28, 2016 11:27:32 GMT
Nope, it would be like saying someone from Brentford was a Londoner, which they are. If someone from outside Bristol asks where you are from, you say Gloucestershire? I would say Bristol. I say, just to the North of Bristol in South Gloucestershire. I can't call myself a Bristolian because I'm not. How is Filton not part of the urban area that is called Bristol? You can walk from Filton to the Centre, in a straight line, withought hitting countryside. Looks at the city from above, and you'll see no physical border between Filton and the rest of Bristol.
The geographical border of a city is the countryside or other physical boundary that surrounds it. The political border was defined in 1832 (I think), based on the physical boundaries of the city then. Bristol has expanded since then!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2016 12:43:10 GMT
I say, just to the North of Bristol in South Gloucestershire. I can't call myself a Bristolian because I'm not. How is Filton not part of the urban area that is called Bristol? You can walk from Filton to the Centre, in a straight line, withought hitting countryside. Looks at the city from above, and you'll see no physical border between Filton and the rest of Bristol.
The geographical border of a city is the countryside or other physical boundary that surrounds it. The political border was defined in 1832 (I think), based on the physical boundaries of the city then. Bristol has expanded since then!
You can argue all you like but Filton and beyond is not in Bristol now and never has been during my lifetime. During my sporting days when I represented Northavon we played against Bristol in county games. I can walk from Little Stoke and Patchway to Bristol in a straight line without hitting countryside and neither of those areas are in Bristol either. Wasn't Bristol originally made a City and County In 1373? Any way, I'm pleased that you are a proud Bristolian. 😀 Filton is a Town in South Gloucestershire north of the City of Bristol, about 4.5 miles (7.2 km) from the city centre. Filton lies in Royal Mails postcode areas of BS7 and BS34. The town centres upon Filton Church, which dates back to the 12th century and is a grade II listed building.[2][3][4] Further north are the towns of Patchway and Bradley Stoke. The name of the town comes from the Old English feleþe (hay), and tūn (farm, field). The name dates back to at least 1187. Filton has large areas of open space, which includes several playing fields, a golf course, plus a large private airfield (closed runway, see Filton Airfield)
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2016 12:48:57 GMT
I say, just to the North of Bristol in South Gloucestershire. I can't call myself a Bristolian because I'm not. How is Filton not part of the urban area that is called Bristol? You can walk from Filton to the Centre, in a straight line, withought hitting countryside. Looks at the city from above, and you'll see no physical border between Filton and the rest of Bristol.
The geographical border of a city is the countryside or other physical boundary that surrounds it. The political border was defined in 1832 (I think), based on the physical boundaries of the city then. Bristol has expanded since then!
What's the difference between Poole and Bournemouth then?
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Post by DudeLebowski on Sept 28, 2016 12:49:37 GMT
Quiet day at work lads......?!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2016 12:53:13 GMT
There was a sign on Southmead rd opposite the Bawa club marking the Bristol boundry,used to drink in the Anchor because they had a 11pm time shout compared to our pubs 10.30pm back in the day. That was my local in the mid to late 80's. The BBC made a programme about gangs in Southmead back in the early seventies,they filmed some young school lads and did a follow up programme in the eighties to see how they had got on,by then they were all drinking and mates with us slightly older lads and part of it was filmed in the garden at the Anchor.Paid for all the drinks aswell. Good boozer back then.
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Post by faggotygas on Sept 28, 2016 12:57:14 GMT
How is Filton not part of the urban area that is called Bristol? You can walk from Filton to the Centre, in a straight line, withought hitting countryside. Looks at the city from above, and you'll see no physical border between Filton and the rest of Bristol.
The geographical border of a city is the countryside or other physical boundary that surrounds it. The political border was defined in 1832 (I think), based on the physical boundaries of the city then. Bristol has expanded since then!
What's the difference between Poole and Bournemouth then? There are some cases where two similar sized smallish towns have merged but still keep a seperate identity, where the merging is relatively recent. That's clearly not the case with Filton and Bristol, or Kingswood and Bristol, or Clifton and Bristol, where the much smaller town has been subsumed by the urban sprawl of the city.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2016 13:00:03 GMT
How is Filton not part of the urban area that is called Bristol? You can walk from Filton to the Centre, in a straight line, withought hitting countryside. Looks at the city from above, and you'll see no physical border between Filton and the rest of Bristol.
The geographical border of a city is the countryside or other physical boundary that surrounds it. The political border was defined in 1832 (I think), based on the physical boundaries of the city then. Bristol has expanded since then!
You can argue all you like but Filton and beyond is not in Bristol now and never has been during my lifetime. During my sporting days when I represented Northavon we played against Bristol in county games. I can walk from Little Stoke and Patchway to Bristol in a straight line without hitting countryside and neither of those areas are in Bristol either. Wasn't Bristol originally made a City and County In 1373? Any way, I'm pleased that you are a proud Bristolian. 😀 Filton is a Town in South Gloucestershire north of the City of Bristol, about 4.5 miles (7.2 km) from the city centre. Filton lies in Royal Mails postcode areas of BS7 and BS34. The town centres upon Filton Church, which dates back to the 12th century and is a grade II listed building.[2][3][4] Further north are the towns of Patchway and Bradley Stoke. The name of the town comes from the Old English feleþe (hay), and tūn (farm, field). The name dates back to at least 1187. Filton has large areas of open space, which includes several playing fields, a golf course, plus a large private airfield (closed runway, see Filton Airfield) When i was a young it was known as Filton Village. Plus the golf course is half in Southmead or thats what we always claimed
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2016 13:01:25 GMT
What's the difference between Poole and Bournemouth then? There are some cases where two similar sized smallish towns have merged but still keep a seperate identity, where the merging is relatively recent. That's clearly not the case with Filton and Bristol, or Kingswood and Bristol, or Clifton and Bristol,  where the much smaller town has been subsumed by the urban sprawl of the city. You're making this up Leeds and Bradford then?
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Post by faggotygas on Sept 28, 2016 13:07:53 GMT
How is Filton not part of the urban area that is called Bristol? You can walk from Filton to the Centre, in a straight line, withought hitting countryside. Looks at the city from above, and you'll see no physical border between Filton and the rest of Bristol.
The geographical border of a city is the countryside or other physical boundary that surrounds it. The political border was defined in 1832 (I think), based on the physical boundaries of the city then. Bristol has expanded since then!
You can argue all you like but Filton and beyond is not in Bristol now and never has been during my lifetime. During my sporting days when I represented Northavon we played against Bristol in county games. I can walk from Little Stoke and Patchway to Bristol in a straight line without hitting countryside and neither of those areas are in Bristol either. Wasn't Bristol originally made a City and County In 1373? Any way, I'm pleased that you are a proud Bristolian. 😀 Filton is a Town in South Gloucestershire north of the City of Bristol, about 4.5 miles (7.2 km) from the city centre. Filton lies in Royal Mails postcode areas of BS7 and BS34. The town centres upon Filton Church, which dates back to the 12th century and is a grade II listed building.[2][3][4] Further north are the towns of Patchway and Bradley Stoke. The name of the town comes from the Old English feleþe (hay), and tūn (farm, field). The name dates back to at least 1187. Filton has large areas of open space, which includes several playing fields, a golf course, plus a large private airfield (closed runway, see Filton Airfield) Sporting boundaries are again based on fairly made up administrative borders. Ther's no Bristol County FA, for instance, with Bristol being divided between Gloucestershire and Somerset FAs. That doesn't mean that Bristol doesn't exist!
The date that i refer to is the last date that the boundaries were defined, when Bristol City and Council was enlarged for administrative purposes to include St Phillips/St George, St Pauls, Clifton etc.
If we're quoting from Wikipedia...
Bristol's boundaries are defined in several ways, depending on whether they are those of the city, the developed area, or Greater Bristol. The narrowest definition of the city is the city council boundary, which includes a large section of the western Severn Estuary up to (but not including) the islands of Steep Holm and Flat Holm.[93]
A slightly broader definition used by the Office for National Statistics (ONS) includes developed areas adjoining Bristol but outside the city-council boundary, such as Whitchurch village, Filton, Patchway and Bradley Stoke, but excludes undeveloped areas within that boundary.[94] The ONS has defined a Bristol Urban Area, which includes Kingswood, Mangotsfield, Stoke Gifford, Winterbourne, Frampton Cotterell, Almondsbury and Easton in Gordano.[95] The North Fringe of Bristol, a developed area in South Gloucestershire between the Bristol city boundary and the M4 and M5 motorways, was so named as part of a 1987 plan prepared by the Northavon District Council.[96]
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Post by faggotygas on Sept 28, 2016 13:09:09 GMT
There are some cases where two similar sized smallish towns have merged but still keep a seperate identity, where the merging is relatively recent. That's clearly not the case with Filton and Bristol, or Kingswood and Bristol, or Clifton and Bristol, where the much smaller town has been subsumed by the urban sprawl of the city. You're making this up Leeds and Bradford then? In the process of merging, but at the moment there's a clear countryside border.
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