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Post by CountyGroundHotel on May 25, 2016 16:37:01 GMT
Well going 360 why don't you pop in the clubhouse next season and ask / tell Jim that? Or let apathy continue to reign. Ah, now we get right down to it. Either join and effect change from within or don't have an opinion or ask questions. Got it. Just stick with the apathy.
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Post by Angas on May 25, 2016 16:52:12 GMT
It seems to me the huge change in our circumstances has come as a shock to some, things are different all of a sudden and they had a very good relationship with NH (please, no need to argue about it, its gone) the SC Directors being moved from Box 1 to Box 3 will have hurt some understandablly and i think we can all sympathise with that, an organisation that if nothing else has been there helping financially through some bloody tough times with the fundraising efforts being carried out by a hard working bunch of volunteers and i think i speak for everyone saying they do a great job at it and we're all grateful. The other side of it is the politics etc which i'm not gonna go into cause i think it should now be a fresh start for all. So, its all about moving forward and the quicker the SC and the football club sit down and discuss how they can benefit each other the better. The SC have to decide where they want to go next and how they want to go about it, hopefully with some help and encouragement from all supporters of our club so more people join, get involved and get behind whatever it is they become. Modernisation will be needed in all areas imo and who knows with some new ideas etc they could even become bigger than before. I wasn't aware that had happened. I presume Box 1 is pretty full these days - it always looks to be from the photos I've seen anyway. Based on my perception of the new owners, I suggest it's a matter of practicality rather than a snub. BUT (and I take on board that you don't want to get into any politics) - the irony is that those directors gained their positions via a Share Scheme that the SC never wanted. It was thrust upon them and my opinion is that they would far sooner have had nothing to do with it. (The double irony, of course, is that many of those who paid into the Scheme, and the several who came up with it and put everything into place, are now being laid into by one or two for not currently being SC members.) I agree with your sentiments re the future.
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Post by kingswood Polak on May 25, 2016 16:58:18 GMT
It seems to me the huge change in our circumstances has come as a shock to some, things are different all of a sudden and they had a very good relationship with NH (please, no need to argue about it, its gone) the SC Directors being moved from Box 1 to Box 3 will have hurt some understandablly and i think we can all sympathise with that, an organisation that if nothing else has been there helping financially through some bloody tough times with the fundraising efforts being carried out by a hard working bunch of volunteers and i think i speak for everyone saying they do a great job at it and we're all grateful. The other side of it is the politics etc which i'm not gonna go into cause i think it should now be a fresh start for all. So, its all about moving forward and the quicker the SC and the football club sit down and discuss how they can benefit each other the better. The SC have to decide where they want to go next and how they want to go about it, hopefully with some help and encouragement from all supporters of our club so more people join, get involved and get behind whatever it is they become. Modernisation will be needed in all areas imo and who knows with some new ideas etc they could even become bigger than before. Jon, I think the FFSC has been the one totally inclusive group that knows exactly what it's aims are and no one argues about it. I think the SC could do well by taking a leaf out of your book and move forward in that vein. For me, it's all about simplicity and having aims that we all agree upon. I have never ever been canvassed or approached about the SC and it's a great shame. It has, no doubt, done some great work but now needs to set out its stall and let people know what it's aims are and then let people know this. EDIT As for which box people are in, I would say that there are much bigger things going on in this world than to be butt hurt over which box they are in. I had hoped that the era of exclusivity has gone and that we would all just want our club to be on a better footing and all of us moving in one direction with positive momentum. I am finding this thread quite painful to read as it seems to me that this really should not be an issue. I guess that some actually enjoyed being with the *In* crowd and that really does sadden me. It seems that we always seem to find something to get upset about when we really have had an extraordinary two seasons and have done so well
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Post by Jon the Stripe on May 25, 2016 16:59:20 GMT
It seems to me the huge change in our circumstances has come as a shock to some, things are different all of a sudden and they had a very good relationship with NH (please, no need to argue about it, its gone) the SC Directors being moved from Box 1 to Box 3 will have hurt some understandablly and i think we can all sympathise with that, an organisation that if nothing else has been there helping financially through some bloody tough times with the fundraising efforts being carried out by a hard working bunch of volunteers and i think i speak for everyone saying they do a great job at it and we're all grateful. The other side of it is the politics etc which i'm not gonna go into cause i think it should now be a fresh start for all. So, its all about moving forward and the quicker the SC and the football club sit down and discuss how they can benefit each other the better. The SC have to decide where they want to go next and how they want to go about it, hopefully with some help and encouragement from all supporters of our club so more people join, get involved and get behind whatever it is they become. Modernisation will be needed in all areas imo and who knows with some new ideas etc they could even become bigger than before. I wasn't aware that had happened. I presume Box 1 is pretty full these days - it always looks to be from the photos I've seen anyway. Based on my perception of the new owners, I suggest it's a matter of practicality rather than a snub. BUT (and I take on board that you don't want to get into any politics) - the irony is that those directors gained their positions via a Share Scheme that the SC never wanted. It was thrust upon them and my opinion is that they would far sooner have had nothing to do with it. (The double irony, of course, is that many of those who paid into the Scheme, and the several who came up with it and put everything into place, are now being laid into by one or two for not currently being SC members.) I agree with your sentiments re the future. If I'm honest I don't know a lot about what went before (that could be a good or bad thing) so I take your point. If I'm honest I think supporters club reps belong with the majority of those they represent and that's in the stands where they can mix and chat with Gasheads, but that's just me.
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Post by brizzle on May 25, 2016 17:27:19 GMT
I've dipped in and out of this thread from time to time, and tried to keep abreast of what posters are saying because I feel interested in trying to decipher what the o/p was trying to get at in his post. But it seems to me that the issue is actually one of egos . . . and the building (and demolition) of their empires within BRFC. My apologies if this sounds a bit too simplistic, because it's quite possible that I may have missed the thrust of the main argument in all of the froth and in-fighting. But by way of explanation I've never been interested in the ''politics'' of the club, I've always been a terrace fan full stop. I've always taken the view that my only desire was to watch a game of football, and not try to build an empire inside of the club.
But I can feel the pain of those who seem to feel that the takeover has spiked their guns, but surely everyone needs to remember that we all support BRFC, and we all want what is best for the club come what may.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2016 18:48:24 GMT
You're being a bit hysterical, calm down.
The topic of conversation has been the disagreement by some of certain statements by one man, followed by a discussion on how SC activities can be used in the best in the new situation the club finds itself in. That is not putting down the hard work of the volunteer community, in fact some posts have expressly stated this. Nor is it, 'shut it all down'.
Not hystertical at all but if I was a member of the scec or a volunteer and read some of the comments made on here and the other forum I would say sod that I put time in to do work that benefits the club andsuddenly we are of no consequence because we have rich owners who can do no wrong and we are just dinosaurs from a previous era,so I quit and lets see who will put in the time I put in,the answer would be no one.The sc are being criticised as a whole by in the main non members who cant be bothered to join or help. you dont half write some rubbish, on the contarary the sc have been praised all thread, the only stick given out is to the views of the chairman jc
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2016 19:11:20 GMT
Here we go again 2006 raises its ugly head,10 years ago and people still hold a grudge Padstow I don't hold a grudge. Not least because no one I would have had one with is involved with the cub anymore. I certainly don't have a grudge against any SC EC member or volunteer. I might disagree with them or their views mind you
I only mentioned it as it was period where as a young man I was beginning to get involved but felt I could no longer at the time. Unfortunately or not. life changes doesn't it. Not sure courting, getting married and renovating a house and hoping to start a family gave me much time to get involved in recent years.
Well I could have but I think I would be out on my ear. on second thoughts....
Wise choice Simon going for the cheaper and healthier option.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2016 19:47:41 GMT
I think the problem is that for many years the SC has been about supporting the club rather than being a club for supporters. By necessity it's had to do the first, rather than the second. What a lot of us are saying though is that it might do better to concentrate on the second, particularly given the change in circumstances over the last 6 months. This. This is always what they were best at when I was a member. I rode their buses to the ends of the earth (Torquay and Carlisle). You can start with a question. What are BRFC not providing gasheads that gasheads want and need? Is it something better provided by BRFC? If so how best can BRSC engage with BRFC to negotiate this provision? If not then how best can BRSC provide it? A supporters club can support an ailing football club. Temporarily. TEMPORARILY. Then the football club had better get it's act together. Or you'd better hope a supporters trust can take over the club. This didn't happen. So you'd better hope the football club is taken over. Taken over by someone with the finance to secure the football club. And a whole new way of running more sustainably. And a whole new way to treat supporters. Early evidence suggests this happened. Then the supporters club can let the football club support itself. Then the supporters club can start serving supporters instead. How this is manifest, is not up to a duck, of course. The answer to that may lie in a public consultation with gasheads. Engage with them in all the old ways. And all the new ways. I could rejoin the BRSC. It's affordable. Good. Where do I get the BRSC app?
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2016 20:03:38 GMT
I didn't reply to your post immediately. It's rather long, and rather eloquent. Thanks for the time you spent writing it. It did make me reflect. But I really do not think that many over-reacted, personally. I found JIim Chappell's piece rude to a quite new club President. And about the 'Presidential visit' (not my quote marks). And about 'Gloucester Road drinkers'. I still feel more respect should have been shown to both. Both of whom have saved the football club, for one thing. I've become a real fan of DC and his team. But without the President and the Gloucester Road Drinkers (a moniker that may stick), DC and his team's contracts don't get signed. I am also aghast that he wrote so under Mr Al Qadi, when he found so little to challenge under Mr Higgs. That baffles me.
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Post by faggotygas on May 25, 2016 20:12:02 GMT
You're being a bit hysterical, calm down.
The topic of conversation has been the disagreement by some of certain statements by one man, followed by a discussion on how SC activities can be used in the best in the new situation the club finds itself in. That is not putting down the hard work of the volunteer community, in fact some posts have expressly stated this. Nor is it, 'shut it all down'.
Not hystertical at all but if I was a member of the scec or a volunteer and read some of the comments made on here and the other forum I would say sod that I put time in to do work that benefits the club andsuddenly we are of no consequence because we have rich owners who can do no wrong and we are just dinosaurs from a previous era,so I quit and lets see who will put in the time I put in,the answer would be no one.The sc are being criticised as a whole by in the main non members who cant be bothered to join or help. please see Angas's post, it puts my points much better than I could myself
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2016 20:20:00 GMT
please see Angas's post, it puts my points much better than I could myself Me too. Moreover, I think almost, maybe all of us respect and value the hard work of the volunteers. Some of us are a just rather disappointed by the tone and decisions coming from the top.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2016 20:23:31 GMT
If everything is as rosy as everyone seems to think then the sc is surplus to requirements and should shut up shop and leave it all to the clubI can't agree with that. A supporters club does not have to restrict itself to financially supporting a struggling football club. BRSC now has the opportunity to concentrate more on providing services to the thousands of supporters of Bristol Rovers and on putting itself on a sound financial footing. There's nothing to say that they can't continue raising money and investing that into the FC in some way, but it does seem that for the moment, in terms of needing to hand over every available penny, the pressure is off Personally I see a golden opportunity for a complete re-think of the aims of the SC, along with the chance to build a solid cash reserve for the future. After all, none of us knows what that future might hold. Things may seem rosy at the moment, but there's no guarantee that will always be the case. As a for instance, and without denigrating anyone, I can't see 199 as the retail face of the sort of football club they seem to be talking about wanting to build.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2016 20:28:30 GMT
For those fed up with or dismayed by this thread, I think you needn't be. If one can see the wood for the trees (ten pages!) these arguments are really about how the supporters club might evolve and thrive. Whether that means revolution or evolution is up to you.
Never, ever, give up.
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Post by Westcountry Gas on May 25, 2016 20:45:20 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2016 21:01:30 GMT
Jim has just been told that it would be best, for the relationship between the SC and the FC if he resigned.
Wonder if he'll understand?
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2016 21:04:24 GMT
Oh dear Mr Chappell. It doesn't get better. I re-read Mr Cappell's piece and remembered the bit about Higgs's team. Delusions of adequecy?
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2016 21:07:44 GMT
Jim has just been told that it would be best, for the relationship between the SC and the FC if he resigned. Wonder if he'll understand? Told by whom? EDIT: oh I see now. Stupid duck.
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Post by CountyGroundHotel on May 25, 2016 21:11:33 GMT
Jim has just been told that it would be best, for the relationship between the SC and the FC if he resigned. Wonder if he'll understand? So is who going to do the job of BRSC Chairman?
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2016 21:16:38 GMT
Jim has just been told that it would be best, for the relationship between the SC and the FC if he resigned. Wonder if he'll understand? So is who going to do the job of BRSC Chairman? Whoever is elected next?
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2016 21:18:24 GMT
So is who going to do the job of BRSC Chairman? Whoever is elected next? Hopefully somebody who has not served before, no disrespects to those that have but time for a new approach.
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