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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2016 17:32:24 GMT
I thought going out on loan was a really positive step that made complete sense for us because he'd definitely come back fit and in form?
He's finished as a Rovers player. Its a shame because he's got the raw materials, but if he ever does pull it all together its going to come too late for his Rovers career.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Feb 12, 2016 18:21:57 GMT
Am I the only one who doesnt really care whether Ellis stays with us longer term? Obviously I hope he regains full fitness but over a some years he had failed to perform consistently imo Despite words from DC I dont believe he is the player he wants..... lack of application and not a sufficiently good enough football brain This is the guy who scored our only proper goal at Wembley and without his goals, in the second half of the NL season? We would not have gone up. I wish some people would lay off of beating up on the guy and try to get behind him and every other player i was upset at this with Eliot Richards and am p155ed right off with the constant bitching about him by many in the area where I live. How would anyone feel when they get abuse. Sure, I had some words to say about him going to watch City but then realised that I used to watch both when I was a young kid I just don't get the constant sniping. Without Ellis we would still be NL so I think we owe him a fair go but it seems I am in the minority  |
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Post by topman on Feb 12, 2016 22:16:09 GMT
With respect I think you are over reacting or may have misunderstood my point
I dont have anything personally against him and have never sniped at him ....in fact the opposite
But imo he has had enough opportunities to make a case for a regular and positive team contribution but ultimately failed
When compared to taylor / easter / bodin and now gaffney he has cone up short in DC 's eyes otherwise he would not have gone out on loan surely?
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Post by lympstonegas on Feb 13, 2016 8:32:35 GMT
Am I the only one who doesnt really care whether Ellis stays with us longer term? Obviously I hope he regains full fitness but over a some years he had failed to perform consistently imo Despite words from DC I dont believe he is the player he wants..... lack of application and not a sufficiently good enough football brain This is the guy who scored our only proper goal at Wembley and without his goals, in the second half of the NL season? We would not have gone up. I wish some people would lay off of beating up on the guy and try to get behind him and every other player i was upset at this with Eliot Richards and am p155ed right off with the constant bitching about him by many in the area where I live. How would anyone feel when they get abuse. Sure, I had some words to say about him going to watch City but then realised that I used to watch both when I was a young kid I just don't get the constant sniping. Without Ellis we would still be NL so I think we owe him a fair go but it seems I am in the minority Absolutely agree - love how the 'forum football experts' have to scapegoat. |
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Post by lympstonegas on Feb 13, 2016 8:39:08 GMT
With respect I think you are over reacting or may have misunderstood my point I dont have anything personally against him and have never sniped at him ....in fact the opposite But imo he has had enough opportunities to make a case for a regular and positive team contribution but ultimately failed When compared to taylor / easter / bodin and now gaffney he has cone up short in DC 's eyes otherwise he would not have gone out on loan surely? Come up short.......? Taylor currently not scoring in a barren patch Easter hardly established himself as the legend some expected and is more often on the bench along with Bodin Gaffney not scored since he was signed oh and Ellis begged to go out on loan against DCs better wishes to get match fit and goal confident so he could try and break the current Taylor Gaffney partnership. That demonstrates a maturity and realistic acceptance of his current position and desire to come back roaring for the possible crucial promotion run in. |
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Post by kingswood Polak on Feb 13, 2016 10:45:22 GMT
This is the guy who scored our only proper goal at Wembley and without his goals, in the second half of the NL season? We would not have gone up. I wish some people would lay off of beating up on the guy and try to get behind him and every other player i was upset at this with Eliot Richards and am p155ed right off with the constant bitching about him by many in the area where I live. How would anyone feel when they get abuse. Sure, I had some words to say about him going to watch City but then realised that I used to watch both when I was a young kid I just don't get the constant sniping. Without Ellis we would still be NL so I think we owe him a fair go but it seems I am in the minority Absolutely agree - love how the 'forum football experts' have to scapegoat. Thank you, 1 of the things that made me want to use this forum was that it never used to have the condemnation that happened elsewhere. It's a shame that this is happening now. Ellis Harrison's goals, from either starts or from the bench, took us up. Regardless of the apparent experts on here, I will never forget it and I really hope he gets a chance to play in his natural position. The man has natural goal scoring ability, as I see it. I think he would do much better alongside a powerhouse CF who took the physical pressure off of him. It's not his fault that he got a 3 year and apparently highly paid contract. The projection on the forums in incredible. |
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Post by kingswood Polak on Feb 13, 2016 10:47:44 GMT
With respect I think you are over reacting or may have misunderstood my point I dont have anything personally against him and have never sniped at him ....in fact the opposite But imo he has had enough opportunities to make a case for a regular and positive team contribution but ultimately failed When compared to taylor / easter / bodin and now gaffney he has cone up short in DC 's eyes otherwise he would not have gone out on loan surely? It was not personal and was an in general post. Apologies that it looked like I was replying to your comment. I should not have quoted anyone. Have a good weekend fella |
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Post by Bridgeman on Feb 14, 2016 16:30:17 GMT
Thank you, 1 of the things that made me want to use this forum was that it never used to have the condemnation that happened elsewhere. It's a shame that this is happening now. Ellis Harrison's goals, from either starts or from the bench, took us up. Regardless of the apparent experts on here, I will never forget it and I really hope he gets a chance to play in his natural position. The man has natural goal scoring ability, as I see it. I think he would do much better alongside a powerhouse CF who took the physical pressure off of him. It's not his fault that he got a 3 year and apparently highly paid contract. The projection on the forums in incredible. An in form Harrison would have been an ideal forward to have brought on yesterday with his pace, it could have had an impact. I agree with your view on Ellis by the way but rather think unless he gets some game time soon he may be off to pastures new in the summer. It is rather ironic (although understandable in the circumstances) that he asked to go out on loan just as our forwards hit a dry scoring patch, gets injured and then isn't available to take his opportunity. |
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Post by kwoodgas on Feb 14, 2016 16:55:03 GMT
When fit should be in the team week in week out, but DC either can't manage or doesn't like the one player in the squad with any X Factor. The same player without whom, he'd probably be looking at a career outside of football right now.
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Post by topman on Feb 14, 2016 18:32:27 GMT
Turned prof. nearly 5 years ago
made only 96 apps scored 22 goals and majority of those in non league
during that time he has worked under several managers inc D C
Surely if he was that 'good' would he not play week in week out?
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Post by brizzle on Feb 14, 2016 18:47:53 GMT
I like the player, but logic tells me that (given all of his ''troubles'' at BRFC) he should be long gone by now, if he had too much about him.
Having said that I still feel that there is a player in there somewhere, and if you compare Ellis to some of the others that have been ''sold-on'', then there is definitely something not quite right somewhere along the line.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Feb 14, 2016 19:09:11 GMT
When fit should be in the team week in week out, but DC either can't manage or doesn't like the one player in the squad with any X Factor. The same player without whom, he'd probably be looking at a career outside of football right now. Disagree! Granted, he scored at Wembley. But that's about it. He had a fab 2015 up until August. I like Ellis alot. I really wish he could work for us and vice versa. But tbh, there is a definite niche for a player that can change a game from the bench. Ellis was fantastic at this. As much as players are applauded for all parts of the pitch, no one has more impact than Ellis from the bench to change a game and bring us points.. |
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Post by kwoodgas on Feb 14, 2016 21:08:04 GMT
When fit should be in the team week in week out, but DC either can't manage or doesn't like the one player in the squad with any X Factor. The same player without whom, he'd probably be looking at a career outside of football right now. Disagree! Granted, he scored at Wembley. But that's about it. He had a fab 2015 up until August. I like Ellis alot. I really wish he could work for us and vice versa. But tbh, there is a definite niche for a player that can change a game from the bench. Ellis was fantastic at this. As much as players are applauded for all parts of the pitch, no one has more impact than Ellis from the bench to change a game and bring us points.. He's had one consistent run in the team during his career and during that he performed with a ridicolously good goals to games ratio. What other reason could you give other than DC having a personal problem with him, for him not starting on the opening day of the season after scoring at Wembley? He plays in the next two games, hey presto he scores then a drout that is miniscule on the scale of what Taylor has to go through to get dropped and he's back on the bench... |
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Post by Bridgeman on Feb 14, 2016 22:04:55 GMT
Disagree! Granted, he scored at Wembley. But that's about it. He had a fab 2015 up until August. I like Ellis alot. I really wish he could work for us and vice versa. But tbh, there is a definite niche for a player that can change a game from the bench. Ellis was fantastic at this. As much as players are applauded for all parts of the pitch, no one has more impact than Ellis from the bench to change a game and bring us points.. He's had one consistent run in the team during his career and during that he performed with a ridicolously good goals to games ratio. What other reason could you give other than DC having a personal problem with him, for him not starting on the opening day of the season after scoring at Wembley? He plays in the next two games, hey presto he scores then a drout that is miniscule on the scale of what Taylor has to go through to get dropped and he's back on the bench... But Darrell clearly doesn't have a personal problem with him, he didn't want him to go on loan and only very reluctantly agreed for him to go as he said he couldn't guarantee him a start. He has publicly stated recently and previously his opinion of Ellis and it has been far from negative. Ironically at the very time when he probably could have forced his way into a starting place, he had gone off on his loan and then gets injured. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2016 22:41:49 GMT
The idea DC wasn't in favour of the loan is just pure spin in my opinion.
EH: I want to play football.
DC: You're not in my plans just now.
EH: But I'm at an age where I need to play and earn a contract for next season.
DC: I can't promise you that.
EH: Then I need to go out on loan.
DC: I know a nice little town on the NE coast.
EH: Great.
Obviously I've imagined that conversation, but I find it hard to believe Ellis engineered a move to Hartlepool of all places by himself.
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Post by Bridgeman on Feb 14, 2016 23:50:29 GMT
The idea DC wasn't in favour of the loan is just pure spin in my opinion. EH: I want to play football. DC: You're not in my plans just now. EH: But I'm at an age where I need to play and earn a contract for next season. DC: I can't promise you that. EH: Then I need to go out on loan. DC: I know a nice little town on the NE coast. EH: Great. Obviously I've imagined that conversation, but I find it hard to believe Ellis engineered a move to Hartlepool of all places by himself. In the interview at the end of the Oxford game Darrell explained clearly and precisely about the loan. Have a listen to it, there isn't a need to speculate how it came about  |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2016 23:55:46 GMT
The idea DC wasn't in favour of the loan is just pure spin in my opinion. EH: I want to play football. DC: You're not in my plans just now. EH: But I'm at an age where I need to play and earn a contract for next season. DC: I can't promise you that. EH: Then I need to go out on loan. DC: I know a nice little town on the NE coast. EH: Great. Obviously I've imagined that conversation, but I find it hard to believe Ellis engineered a move to Hartlepool of all places by himself. In the interview at the end of the Oxford game Darrell explained clearly and precisely about the loan. Have a listen to it, there isn't a need to speculate how it came about DC seems shrewd enough to tell the media clearly and precisely what he wants them to hear. |
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Post by Bridgeman on Feb 15, 2016 0:04:40 GMT
In the interview at the end of the Oxford game Darrell explained clearly and precisely about the loan. Have a listen to it, there isn't a need to speculate how it came about DC seems shrewd enough to tell the media clearly and precisely what he wants them to hear. There we are then and Ellis colluded with him when confirming it in the interview he gave about the move |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2016 7:39:56 GMT
DC seems shrewd enough to tell the media clearly and precisely what he wants them to hear. There we are then and Ellis colluded with him when confirming it in the interview he gave about the move I expect he's just about sensible enough to say what he's told to too  |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2016 15:32:14 GMT
The idea DC wasn't in favour of the loan is just pure spin in my opinion. EH: I want to play football. DC: You're not in my plans just now. EH: But I'm at an age where I need to play and earn a contract for next season. DC: I can't promise you that. EH: Then I need to go out on loan. DC: I know a nice little town on the NE coast. EH: Great. Obviously I've imagined that conversation, but I find it hard to believe Ellis engineered a move to Hartlepool of all places by himself. Nearly correct,just where the loan was to be,Newport wanted him but DC said,and I quote,to him and his agent its Hartlepool or nothing,but where it went wrong was Ellis said ok,which Dc didn't expect |
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