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Post by Gas Since 1957 on Jan 29, 2016 18:17:05 GMT
In your post about NH winning you stated as fact that Salisbury could make rovers vacate the Mem. You don't know this as a fact. I didn't use the word fact but it was reported after the Q&A session of the SC AGM. Except neither NH or TW said that during the "open" Q&A. Allegedly they told Severncider some additional stuff after the meting, so this comment may have come from his recollections.
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Post by Angas on Jan 29, 2016 18:22:13 GMT
Ha ha. And there's another one You'll have to fill me in here Ann. Not understanding this but glad it gave you a laugh, it's good to laugh and I certainly wish I did it more As Wipe that Seat says, it was one of his sayings. And the Swiss Flag smiley was his (there were quite a few personalised ones on the old forum, like the 'squid' that was mentioned the other day - little touches that made it quite unique imo). I wouldn't want to lead you astray though - Basel got involved in a fair few heated debates. He was what you'd call passionate in his beliefs, as were many. So the old forum which you missed wasn't perhaps quite the place you might imagine. There was plenty of confrontation and argument over there at times. (I noticed the other day it is still available to read though sadly the smileys aren't there any more. But if you find yourself at a loose end at any time you could always have a look back and see what you missed from 2013/14 - z13.invisionfree.com/Bristol_Rovers_Alt/index.php?act=idx)
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Post by kingswood Polak on Jan 29, 2016 18:56:44 GMT
You'll have to fill me in here Ann. Not understanding this but glad it gave you a laugh, it's good to laugh and I certainly wish I did it more As Wipe that Seat says, it was one of his sayings. And the Swiss Flag smiley was his (there were quite a few personalised ones on the old forum, like the 'squid' that was mentioned the other day - little touches that made it quite unique imo). I wouldn't want to lead you astray though - Basel got involved in a fair few heated debates. He was what you'd call passionate in his beliefs, as were many. So the old forum which you missed wasn't perhaps quite the place you might imagine. There was plenty of confrontation and argument over there at times. (I noticed the other day it is still available to read though sadly the smileys aren't there any more. But if you find yourself at a loose end at any time you could always have a look back and see what you missed from 2013/14 - z13.invisionfree.com/Bristol_Rovers_Alt/index.php?act=idx) Thank you Ann and @wipe that seat Much appreciated
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Post by The Gas on Jan 29, 2016 19:06:13 GMT
Okay, I was just struggling to understand the timing of you posting this. NH asked you not to put it on any social media; if he'd added "Until after the court hearing." I could understand why you have. Like you, I can't think why this information shouldn't be public knowledge, nor how it would have any impact on the case. But if you're assuming it may impact the case I would have thought it better to wait until the dust settles - after the final verdict. The Gas was probably given the information to make public. Even Higgs knows how to spread rumours both true and more often untrue. More usual bo**ocks from yourself.
Some of us asked the question "if our legal team is so convinced we can win the appeal, why do they not do this on a "no win no fee"
NH replied that it was on that basis. Now explain to all of us why he would say that if it was untrue?
The problem with too many people is that they never ask the right questions of BRFC, they just like question things on a forum but for whatever reason do nothing about it.
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Post by Angas on Jan 29, 2016 19:56:27 GMT
I heard there were more than a few people whose questions wouldn't be welcomed. Maybe that's one reason ...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2016 1:19:47 GMT
The Gas was probably given the information to make public. Even Higgs knows how to spread rumours both true and more often untrue. More usual bo**ocks from yourself.
Some of us asked the question "if our legal team is so convinced we can win the appeal, why do they not do this on a "no win no fee"
NH replied that it was on that basis. Now explain to all of us why he would say that if it was untrue?
The problem with too many people is that they never ask the right questions of BRFC, they just like question things on a forum but for whatever reason do nothing about it.
Thank you for your views arse wipe. Higgs often misleads people and yes I can back this up. You have never pulled your finger out to help this club in your life you just hovel out information. It's been known for years that if you want information to be leaked then tell you regardless of it being true or not and yes I have asked many, many questions directly to this and previous boards.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Jan 30, 2016 15:54:19 GMT
The Gas was probably given the information to make public. Even Higgs knows how to spread rumours both true and more often untrue. More usual bo**ocks from yourself.
Some of us asked the question "if our legal team is so convinced we can win the appeal, why do they not do this on a "no win no fee"
NH replied that it was on that basis. Now explain to all of us why he would say that if it was untrue?
The problem with too many people is that they never ask the right questions of BRFC, they just like question things on a forum but for whatever reason do nothing about it.
I will field an answer to the last part where you say about doing nothing. How many times can you try, by various means, to even get a reply or have a letter or email even acknowledged ? The problem is that it's been a closed shop and for a long time now. We have seen a disengagement from the fans but we carry on DESPITE the efforts of the current chair and board. I sometimes let myself imagine how it would be if we had a chairman that was open with us & actively used the goodwill at their disposal. I see other clubs, such as Accrington,& see the low crowds and income and I wonder how they manage. The mind boggles. The fact is that if not for DC & the team actually doing much better than any of us dare hoped for, we would be in 5H1t street. Nick Higgs still has his fans and those who still say he is a great Gashead but, if you could look at the cold hard facts sans bias then it paints a very poor picture. I'll not go into it here as its been done to death but trying to DO something is blocked at every juncture. This is no democracy and so we have cliques and inner circles and this breeds gossip and innuendo. Trying to do is met with suspicion. Thank God for DC and the team we have now
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Post by a more piratey game on Jan 30, 2016 16:05:20 GMT
This is no democracy and so we have cliques and inner circles and this breeds gossip and innuendo. Trying to do is met with suspicion. what confuses me is why 'democracy' would be an expectation. If you buy a company you expect to run it as you wish. You can take help or leave it - its your prerogative
I used to work for a company Head Office. We used to turn up to 'help' at the subsidiaries and branches. They for sure didn't want our 'help', and I didn't find that at all hard to understand
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Post by kingswood Polak on Jan 30, 2016 16:15:27 GMT
This is no democracy and so we have cliques and inner circles and this breeds gossip and innuendo. Trying to do is met with suspicion. what confuses me is why 'democracy' would be an expectation. If you buy a company you expect to run it as you wish. You can take help or leave it - its your prerogative
I used to work for a company Head Office. We used to turn up to 'help' at the subsidiaries and branches. They for sure didn't want our 'help', and I didn't find that at all hard to understand
The big difference is this is a football club and as such one would think that the history, community & long term friendships that have been formed would not be actively undermined by those who are the clubs guardians now, no ? I would agree with you were this A N Other business but this is so much more and this is why I can get heated and upset. On a personal level, the club has been there when I have had bereavement, break up and much more. I hate to see that taken apart and it makes me swell with pride, to see the gates swell despite everything that has happened. Those who say it's only football will never understand this and I pity them if honest. There is a part of me that has pity for NH. Our fanbase really is awesome and I believe deserve much better treatment but each to their own. I am tired of being the Salmon and trying to swim against the flow. I have my own struggles to battle but I can't just forget the many examples of the appalling way our guardians and stewards have treated us.
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Post by a more piratey game on Jan 30, 2016 16:21:30 GMT
what confuses me is why 'democracy' would be an expectation. If you buy a company you expect to run it as you wish. You can take help or leave it - its your prerogative
I used to work for a company Head Office. We used to turn up to 'help' at the subsidiaries and branches. They for sure didn't want our 'help', and I didn't find that at all hard to understand
The big difference is this is a football club and as such one would think that the history, community & long term friendships that have been formed would not be actively undermined by those who are the clubs guardians now, no ? when I look at football clubs they generally seem to me to be run like other organisations - by owners, the way they want, helped by people they choose
why I understand the logic of the rest of your reply, I just haven't seen much of it in reality - and when I have seen it (Ebbsfleet, Rovers at Twerton etc) it has generally been short-lived
and I don't think NH and co actively undermine it. Maybe passively, by not responding, but I don't think they spend much time or effort trying to undermine it
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Post by kingswood Polak on Jan 30, 2016 16:30:17 GMT
The big difference is this is a football club and as such one would think that the history, community & long term friendships that have been formed would not be actively undermined by those who are the clubs guardians now, no ? when I look at football clubs they generally seem to me to be run like other organisations - by owners, the way they want, helped by people they choose
why I understand the logic of the rest of your reply, I just haven't seen much of it in reality - and when I have seen it (Ebbsfleet, Rovers at Twerton etc) it has generally been short-lived
and I don't think NH and co actively undermine it. Maybe passively, by not responding, but I don't think they spend much time or effort trying to undermine it
You're right. It's never been actively but passively aggressive. The psychiatric profession find passive aggressively the most difficult to deal with btw. I really don't want to go into the many examples as it does me no good and I have to avoid anger. I just hope that we somehow and someday get to see our club in the hands of someone who isn't defensive & foolly and who doesn't have to hide details from view or then lie in interviews.
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Post by a more piratey game on Jan 30, 2016 16:36:10 GMT
when I look at football clubs they generally seem to me to be run like other organisations - by owners, the way they want, helped by people they choose
why I understand the logic of the rest of your reply, I just haven't seen much of it in reality - and when I have seen it (Ebbsfleet, Rovers at Twerton etc) it has generally been short-lived
and I don't think NH and co actively undermine it. Maybe passively, by not responding, but I don't think they spend much time or effort trying to undermine it
You're right. It's never been actively but passively aggressive. The psychiatric profession find passive aggressively the most difficult to deal with btw. I really don't want to go into the many examples as it does me no good and I have to avoid anger. I just hope that we somehow and someday get to see our club in the hands of someone who isn't defensive & foolly and who doesn't have to hide details from view or then lie in interviews. if what I wrote is true, I wouldn't hold your breath while you wait!
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“If a problem is fixable, if a situation is such that you can do something about it, then there is no need to worry. If it's not fixable, then there is no help in worrying. There is no benefit in worrying whatsoever.” ― Dalai Lama XIV
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