mkgas
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Post by mkgas on Jul 1, 2014 7:39:20 GMT
These are my thoughts for what they are worth.
I do feel though that this summers activity was always going to be slightly underwhelming given our transfer policy. Stuart Sinclair, Matty Taylor et all may not be household names or have exciting CV's but there is no reason they cannot become the hero's we want them to be over the next year.
Chris Iluwelmo a name mentioned in other threads. This is exactly the disaster we have accredited to the club in previous signings. This guy has been a full international, if you think playing for Chester City football club excites him then I would strongly disagree. Its a pay check for his young family and nothing more. I am friends with players at Dons, Doncaster and Wycombe believe me they need the money to survive despite loving their clubs.
To conclude, us rose tinters will always look at the best and support our players. We need to show support but likewise to the realists these new signings that on paper are nothing much will need to prove they are able to play this level. Something I believe they will do, we are building a solid hard working team.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2014 8:00:42 GMT
Nothing to do with being a "Rose Tinter" or as you say, a realist.
Its about not making silly statements like that.
Unless you have personally scouted the new recruits, how can you conclude that the team will be solid, hard working?
You may hope so, we all do, but we will not know untill the season gets underway.
Unlike other seasons when new recruits may well have been players fans had witnessed playing first hand, I bet most of the new recruits are a completely unknown to most of us.
So, putting aside hope and anticipation, something we share whatever our perspective I am sure, what are we left with this close season?
1. Players from last season that fans have royally slagged off since relegation, experienced league players at that, moving to clubs in higher divisions in the pro leagues.
2. A youth player that many fans derided during and after last season, being chased by premier keague club(s)
3. A manager insitu that led a quite disasterous last couple of months last season, who then stated he wanted his squad in place before pre season training commenced this summer. It is not in place and the story has already changed.
4. Utterly contradictory and confusing, and perhaps deceptive, communications from our Bod.
Thats where we are.
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Post by Westcountry Gas on Jul 1, 2014 8:10:28 GMT
For me it's simple to understand, a massive amount of budget is taken up by existing squad members from last season leaving DC very little cash to play with. If we only needed 3 or 4 new signings then i'm sure he would have gone out there and brought in 1 or 2 marquee signings and the majority would be feeling happy about the business he has done. The major headache for DC is having to stretch such a small amount of cash on 10 new signings. So far on paper i would give him a rating of 7/10 on how he has done, with the major plus point being that he has attracted players here who have had better offers, that clearly shows we have a manager who works hard in the transfer market.
Out of 500 players in the conference, i feel in White, Taylor & Sinclair we have players who are in the top 100, and when you consider that League players won't drop down unless offered silly money (which we don't have), i'm not that disappointed when you consider the good quality players our new signings will be joining that already here.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jul 1, 2014 8:29:37 GMT
Nothing to do with being a "Rose Tinter" or as you say, a realist. Its about not making silly statements like that. Unless you have personally scouted the new recruits, how can you conclude that the team will be solid, hard working? You may hope so, we all do, but we will not know untill the season gets underway. Unlike other seasons when new recruits may well have been players fans had witnessed playing first hand, I bet most of the new recruits are a completely unknown to most of us. So, putting aside hope and anticipation, something we share whatever our perspective I am sure, what are we left with this close season? 1. Players from last season that fans have royally slagged off since relegation, experienced league players at that, moving to clubs in higher divisions in the pro leagues. 2. A youth player that many fans derided during and after last season, being chased by premier keague club(s) 3. A manager insitu that led a quite disasterous last couple of months last season, who then stated he wanted his squad in place before pre season training commenced this summer. It is not in place and the story has already changed. 4. Utterly contradictory and confusing, and perhaps deceptive, communications from our Bod. Thats where we are. So what would you have done differently? Would sacking DC and replacing him with yet another manager really been wise, at least DC knows the club & the non league scene. New Player wise 3 of the 4 new recruits are proven players at this level and are hardly journey men. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2014 8:55:26 GMT
Nothing to do with being a "Rose Tinter" or as you say, a realist. Its about not making silly statements like that. Unless you have personally scouted the new recruits, how can you conclude that the team will be solid, hard working? You may hope so, we all do, but we will not know untill the season gets underway. Unlike other seasons when new recruits may well have been players fans had witnessed playing first hand, I bet most of the new recruits are a completely unknown to most of us. So, putting aside hope and anticipation, something we share whatever our perspective I am sure, what are we left with this close season? 1. Players from last season that fans have royally slagged off since relegation, experienced league players at that, moving to clubs in higher divisions in the pro leagues. 2. A youth player that many fans derided during and after last season, being chased by premier keague club(s) 3. A manager insitu that led a quite disasterous last couple of months last season, who then stated he wanted his squad in place before pre season training commenced this summer. It is not in place and the story has already changed. 4. Utterly contradictory and confusing, and perhaps deceptive, communications from our Bod. Thats where we are. So what would you have done differently? Would sacking DC and replacing him with yet another manager really been wise, at least DC knows the club & the non league scene. New Player wise 3 of the 4 new recruits are proven players at this level and are hardly journey men. That's the wrong question in regard to this thread. I am challenging perspective and blind faith, not the historical mismanagement of the club, for which there is empirical evidence. Unless we, as fans, have the proper perspective on the situation, how can we expect the BoD to take us seriously, re BRISA etc? They just long for statements like that from MKgas
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jozer
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Post by jozer on Jul 1, 2014 8:58:50 GMT
If the BoD had any serious intention of getting out of the Conference straight away they would have got an experienced Manager with a history of sucess at this level. The fact that they've gone with the cheap option says to me that whatever hot air they blow in public, in private they are resigned to being non-League for the foreseeable future.
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mkgas
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Post by mkgas on Jul 1, 2014 9:17:11 GMT
My statement was of course opinion. I have past managerial experience at a level to too far off your Clevedons of this world.
All I am saying is that long have we chased bigger names, Mark Mcghee and Paul Buckle to name just two. These did not work.
When I reference a hard working team, of course I have not scouted these players and its merely my opinion not a fact. Likewise I would challenge those that say they will fail to prove that.
The truth is none of us know, past club success or failure bares no influence on this coming season.
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Post by stig-of-the-gas on Jul 1, 2014 9:34:39 GMT
My statement was of course opinion. I have past managerial experience at a level to too far off your Clevedons of this world. All I am saying is that long have we chased bigger names, Mark Mcghee and Paul Buckle to name just two. These did not work. When I reference a hard working team, of course I have not scouted these players and its merely my opinion not a fact. Likewise I would challenge those that say they will fail to prove that. The truth is none of us know, past club success or failure bares no influence on this coming season. And I for one respect your opinion. Keep them coming, far more interesting to read than the same old, bash the board, slag off the manager, your nothing but a rose tinter posts that seems to poison just about every thread. Come on Oldie, you are clearly an intelligent poster but that was not an thoughtful response to a valid opinion. After a brief flirtation with reasoned debate, this forum is slowly slipping back to where it was before the OF closed |
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jozer
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Post by jozer on Jul 1, 2014 13:17:19 GMT
You're more than welcome to add your rose tinted view of things to your hearts content. You won't be banned or have your posts altered or log on one day to find the this Forum has been taken down without notice and a blatantly bull**** explanation given.
You may, however, be challenged to explain your opinions beyond "I'm a real fan and I support the boys unlike you moaners etc etc..."
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2014 14:07:23 GMT
That's very kind of you Sigo, most who know me first hand might beg to differ 
But I disagree with you in the critique of my response MK himself has since stated that he /she has no idea whether this will be a hardworking team as he/she has no basis for saying that re the quote below. Its all a bit pedantic, obviously, but my real point is that these bland, unsubstantiated opinions just camouflage the real debate, which is how the club is being run, which in itself has led us directly from being a long standing and respected lower league club to a joke and out of the pro leagues, all in four short years. Some may find this debate tedious, repetitive and boring. It probably is, but it accurately reflects the tedious, repetitive and boring performance of the club on and off the field. Now, if that does not concern you, then I cannot for the life of me understand why anyone would be upset about what has happened and the position that the club finds itself in...because clearly it does not matter that much to you.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2014 15:17:20 GMT
For me it's simple to understand, a massive amount of budget is taken up by existing squad members from last season leaving DC very little cash to play with. If we only needed 3 or 4 new signings then i'm sure he would have gone out there and brought in 1 or 2 marquee signings and the majority would be feeling happy about the business he has done. The major headache for DC is having to stretch such a small amount of cash on 10 new signings. So far on paper i would give him a rating of 7/10 on how he has done, with the major plus point being that he has attracted players here who have had better offers, that clearly shows we have a manager who works hard in the transfer market. Out of 500 players in the conference, i feel in White, Taylor & Sinclair we have players who are in the top 100, and when you consider that League players won't drop down unless offered silly money (which we don't have), i'm not that disappointed when you consider the good quality players our new signings will be joining that already here. When you say a large amount of the budget is taken up by 5 players,what about the savings of in excess,as we are regularly told by those in the know,3.5k per week paid to Clarkson and O,toole plus the 2k per week to Beardsley and Mohammed,plus the other savings made on the other 10 released at the end of last season that probably adds up to in excess of 1m per year conservatively.Take out the perceived loss of 600k per season still leaving over 400k to play with and still break even |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2014 15:20:10 GMT
That's very kind of you Sigo, most who know me first hand might beg to differ
But I disagree with you in the critique of my response MK himself has since stated that he /she has no idea whether this will be a hardworking team as he/she has no basis for saying that re the quote below. Its all a bit pedantic, obviously, but my real point is that these bland, unsubstantiated opinions just camouflage the real debate, which is how the club is being run, which in itself has led us directly from being a long standing and respected lower league club to a joke and out of the pro leagues, all in four short years. Some may find this debate tedious, repetitive and boring. It probably is, but it accurately reflects the tedious, repetitive and boring performance of the club on and off the field. Now, if that does not concern you, then I cannot for the life of me understand why anyone would be upset about what has happened and the position that the club finds itself in...because clearly it does not matter that much to you.
So if your ill fated Rovers Trust had been a success how would you have influenced things with just 1 or 2 seats on the board |
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