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Post by Peter Parker on Jan 6, 2016 7:56:01 GMT
What manager doesn't fall out with some players or make transfer mistakes.
Surely it's whether the successes outweigh the mistakes/failures at any point in time. If you are in credit you are doing well, if you slip the other way you will soon get the sack
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Post by Captain Jayho on Jan 6, 2016 8:00:53 GMT
Can't understand this. I can't think of any player that has left on bad terms while DC has been in charge (with the exception of maybe LDV?). Blisset was a mistake (because he cost us money and wasn't worth it) and I think DC would admit that. But it's not bad man management. Have we got the best out of him - well he's been on loan to plenty of clubs and not performed as well as he did for us at that level so you could say we did get the best out of him!
I just can't think of a single player that has bad-mouthed DC and his man management? He bloody turned Ellis' career around last season by giving him a kick up the arse and then giving him another chance didn't he?
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Post by laughinggas on Jan 6, 2016 8:18:05 GMT
Which of these players listed have gone on to better things?
What would the thread say about the manager who was about to sell Whoosh Tanner to Torquay for £10,000 only for Liverpool to come in and pay £20,000? I think those were the figures.
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Post by droitwichgas on Jan 6, 2016 8:43:40 GMT
Which of these players listed have gone on to better things? What would the thread say about the manager who was about to sell Whoosh Tanner to Torquay for £10,000 only for Liverpool to come in and pay £20,000? I think those were the figures. LDV joined Fleetwood, although last time I checked didn't appear to be in their new manager's match day squad. Although you sensed LDV wanted to return but DC wasn't interested.
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Post by fanatical on Jan 6, 2016 8:58:37 GMT
Look don't want this to be a dig at DC or any of the players, just want to stoke some debate. With Bliss going today, it's made me think of the number of players DC has either fallen out with or failed to get the best out of. Bliss was far from the finished article, but Agogo was far worse when he first came. It took Jason Roberts god knows how many sessions with Gary Penrice to get him upto speed and I'm sure the older folk can regale countless other players that had a slow start, but improved with patience and good coaching/man management. In the relegation season he stripped Parkes of the captaincy and got the square root of sod all out of O'Toole who previously, even if not playing well would always be a goal threat. Harrison is a more complex one, it could be argue DC played the 'treat 'em mean, keep 'em keen' routine perfectly last season, but it's a shame we've failed to get anything out of him this season after scoring twice in his first two starts. Dawson, looked a really dangerous player and created numerous assists. Far from the finished article but we shouldve signed him as he had miles more potential than Gosling, Balanta (who he tried to resign) and Montano. Lines, easily the most naturally talented player in the squad, but was in and out of the side even before his injury. Mildenhall, would he have been any worse than Nichols and not cost us a penny? Barring Lines (who already knew the club), Dawson and I guess to a certain extent Cunnington, Martin and Chapman all of his loan signings have been a major disapointment, is that partly a failure to integrate them into the squad? Look DC has done a sterling job this season, as the league table reflects, but are we seeing a limitation of his management. Can he only manage the Lockyers, the Sinclairs, the Mansells of this world who are solid pros, committed 100% to the club and the team? I guess there's nothing wrong with that the likes of Moyes, Pullis, Allardyce, Bruce, Warnock etc etc have built solid and sucessful teams on those attributes, but is the key reason none of those became a Ferguson or a Wenger because they couldn't handle the more complex personalities? Sad to see that Kwoodgas has dimentia. If he could remember all that has happened in the last 10 years he would not have posted this. As someone who has watched Rovers since the early 1940s I see DC as comparable with Bert Tann, Fred Ford, Bill Dodgin, Don Megson and Gerry Francis who were the best managers I have witnessed and talked to and that includes in man management. Every manager has a different way of dealing but at the end of the day it is results that count.
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Post by Thatslife on Jan 6, 2016 9:05:04 GMT
On leadership courses I have done in the past, man management is the most interesting and probably the most complex subject.
Basically it boils down to a mixture of 3 things. Fear, Friendship and Respect.
Fear is do it or else
Friendship is an arm around the shoulder and encouragement that they are in this together.
Respect is getting a good response for no other reason than respecting the person asking for it.
No person responds to one way, good man management is a blend of all 3, different mixture for each person, that's where the skill and experence comes in.
DC, being a young manager is learning and refining his skills, he is bound to make mistakes, how he deals with his mistakes is all part and parcel of gaining experience as a manager.
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Post by laughinggas on Jan 6, 2016 9:05:43 GMT
You may have included Ryan Brunt, appeared to be a complicated story but looks like he's been involved every game this season.
Not sure if the original post was amount man management or coaching skills. I would suggest at this moment neither are up for criticism.
Every manager has signed players not quite good enough for the squad and let someone good who could have been. Thats football.
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Post by Captain Jayho on Jan 6, 2016 9:19:20 GMT
DC has also managed to (so far successfully it would seem) walk the tightrope of operating a squad rotation system as well. Whenever you hear an interview with a player like Lines or Mansell (just examples) they always say they were disappointed not to be in the first team at that time but are desperate to get back there and need to show the boss what they can add to the side. IF DC was leaving players out for the whole season then I can see how that would be bad for morale. But he seems to be able to play each player just enough to keep them interested and presumably they are keen as mustard on the training ground as they want to get back into the side. Great if we're winning of course but could go horribly pear-shaped when we're losing! The point is that his communication to (and management of) the players has to be very good for this system to operate effectively. DC has clearly set out his stall early on and told the players that just because you're out of the side doesn't mean there's no way back in and that he's likely to pick each side on its merits for a particular game. And lets face it, his results are backing him up at the moment.
Mildenhall the obvious exception to the above of course - not sure what that is all about.
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Post by Bernard Briggs on Jan 6, 2016 11:53:12 GMT
Look don't want this to be a dig at DC or any of the players, just want to stoke some debate. With Bliss going today, it's made me think of the number of players DC has either fallen out with or failed to get the best out of. Bliss was far from the finished article, but Agogo was far worse when he first came. It took Jason Roberts god knows how many sessions with Gary Penrice to get him upto speed and I'm sure the older folk can regale countless other players that had a slow start, but improved with patience and good coaching/man management. In the relegation season he stripped Parkes of the captaincy and got the square root of sod all out of O'Toole who previously, even if not playing well would always be a goal threat. Harrison is a more complex one, it could be argue DC played the 'treat 'em mean, keep 'em keen' routine perfectly last season, but it's a shame we've failed to get anything out of him this season after scoring twice in his first two starts. Dawson, looked a really dangerous player and created numerous assists. Far from the finished article but we shouldve signed him as he had miles more potential than Gosling, Balanta (who he tried to resign) and Montano. Lines, easily the most naturally talented player in the squad, but was in and out of the side even before his injury. Mildenhall, would he have been any worse than Nichols and not cost us a penny? Barring Lines (who already knew the club), Dawson and I guess to a certain extent Cunnington, Martin and Chapman all of his loan signings have been a major disapointment, is that partly a failure to integrate them into the squad? Look DC has done a sterling job this season, as the league table reflects, but are we seeing a limitation of his management. Can he only manage the Lockyers, the Sinclairs, the Mansells of this world who are solid pros, committed 100% to the club and the team? I guess there's nothing wrong with that the likes of Moyes, Pullis, Allardyce, Bruce, Warnock etc etc have built solid and sucessful teams on those attributes, but is the key reason none of those became a Ferguson or a Wenger because they couldn't handle the more complex personalities? Sad to see that Kwoodgas has dimentia. Bits of him are getting smaller?
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Post by Alveston Gas on Jan 6, 2016 13:20:12 GMT
During his time with us the size of Nathan Blissett's transfer fee from Kidderminster has often been hinted at but never revealed, but the Post have just reported that it was ''around £40,000.'' I wonder how accurate that figure is, and whether Rory Gaffney's fee would be comparable . . . if he comes that is. A sound source at Kiddy said 90k ;-) Strange that - a lad that I know who scouts in the West Midlands told me £30k cash upfront and add ons for appearances of which to date only 1 has been triggered. All guesswork I suppose but I doubt if it was anywhere near £90k
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Post by a more piratey game on Jan 6, 2016 14:07:13 GMT
so £30k originally, £10k triggered add-on, £50k never triggered
simples!
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Post by c4h10 on Jan 6, 2016 14:49:47 GMT
Sad to see that Kwoodgas has dimentia. Bits of him are getting smaller? First sign of dementia? Forgetting how to spell it.
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Post by brizzle on Jan 6, 2016 15:06:42 GMT
You may have included Ryan Brunt, appeared to be a complicated story but looks like he's been involved every game this season. Not sure if the original post was amount man management or coaching skills. I would suggest at this moment neither are up for criticism. Every manager has signed players not quite good enough for the squad and let someone good who could have been. Thats football. I believe that the reason for Ryan Brunt's departure from the club was purely financial. Put simply his contract was most likely unaffordable to the club who, after loaning him out a couple of times finally allowed him to leave. But I was sorry to see him leave us as I believe that he had a lot to offer despite his injuries, which thankfully seem to be behind him now. I wonder if the posters who were slagging him off when he left us for Plymouth have any regrets? Most probably not I would guess. But why would anyone want to kick a man when he's down, and had done everything he could to regain his fitness?
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Post by brizzle on Jan 6, 2016 15:16:51 GMT
Which of these players listed have gone on to better things? What would the thread say about the manager who was about to sell Whoosh Tanner to Torquay for £10,000 only for Liverpool to come in and pay £20,000? I think those were the figures. LDV joined Fleetwood, although last time I checked didn't appear to be in their new manager's match day squad. Apparently he was a bit of a loose cannon who didn't like wearing a tie etc, even when he was ''advised'' by senior pro's.
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Post by irishrover on Jan 6, 2016 15:47:26 GMT
You may have included Ryan Brunt, appeared to be a complicated story but looks like he's been involved every game this season. Not sure if the original post was amount man management or coaching skills. I would suggest at this moment neither are up for criticism. Every manager has signed players not quite good enough for the squad and let someone good who could have been. Thats football. I believe that the reason for Ryan Brunt's departure from the club was purely financial. Put simply his contract was most likely unaffordable to the club who, after loaning him out a couple of times finally allowed him to leave. But I was sorry to see him leave us as I believe that he had a lot to offer despite his injuries, which thankfully seem to be behind him now. I wonder if the posters who were slagging him off when he left us for Plymouth have any regrets? Most probably not I would guess. But why would anyone want to kick a man when he's down, and had done everything he could to regain his fitness? I don't think I slagged him off but I did think that he was probably finished as a professional. It was just really noticeable that he was lacking mobility post injury and nowhere near the player he was when he first arrived with us. He was struggling to turn, which for a back to goal player is pretty vital. I thought it was pretty clear that he wasn't going to make much of an impact in that side. Possibly he just needed a longer rehab period though - the injuries he had were pretty terrible and they had dogged him for most of his career even as a youth player. Maybe someone has put together a long term program for him to sort it out - if so, the good for him. He didn't deserve the run of bad luck he had and could have made a real difference with us.
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Post by brizzle on Jan 6, 2016 16:05:09 GMT
I believe that the reason for Ryan Brunt's departure from the club was purely financial. Put simply his contract was most likely unaffordable to the club who, after loaning him out a couple of times finally allowed him to leave. But I was sorry to see him leave us as I believe that he had a lot to offer despite his injuries, which thankfully seem to be behind him now. I wonder if the posters who were slagging him off when he left us for Plymouth have any regrets? Most probably not I would guess. But why would anyone want to kick a man when he's down, and had done everything he could to regain his fitness? I don't think I slagged him off but I did think that he was probably finished as a professional. It was just really noticeable that he was lacking mobility post injury and nowhere near the player he was when he first arrived with us. He was struggling to turn, which for a back to goal player is pretty vital. I thought it was pretty clear that he wasn't going to make much of an impact in that side. Possibly he just needed a longer rehab period though - the injuries he had were pretty terrible and they had dogged him for most of his career even as a youth player. Maybe someone has put together a long term program for him to sort it out - if so, the good for him. He didn't deserve the run of bad luck he had and could have made a real difference with us. If you recall he went to great lengths to regain his fitness, which included spending some time in an American clinic which specialised in his type of injury . . . and all undertaken at his own expense too. So I really felt that the club could (and perhaps should) have allowed him to see out his contract, rather than just writing him off. As you say he was struggling at the time, but I felt that he was worthy of a little longer. One thing did occur to me though. If his injury was as bad as was reported, why didn't the club claim upon their insurance on him? This would have given the club and player one last hurrah.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2016 16:09:33 GMT
That would've written his career off and seeing as he's allegedly a very solvent individual anyway he presumably didn't want to be barred from attempting a comeback as a professional footballer elsewhere as he didn't need the payout. Plus of course the fact that it appears the injury was fixable!
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Post by brizzle on Jan 6, 2016 16:12:32 GMT
That would've written his career off and seeing as he's allegedly a very solvent individual anyway he presumably didn't want to be barred from attempting a comeback as a professional footballer elsewhere as he didn't need the payout. Plus of course the fact that it appears the injury was fixable!That's precisely the point that I'm attempting to make.
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Post by c4h10 on Jan 6, 2016 16:34:23 GMT
In a photograph of Brunty in the Sunday Independant a couple of weeks ago, he appeared to be wearing some kind of protective pad over his knee. Maybe the injury was fixable to a point.
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Post by Peter Parker on Jan 6, 2016 17:28:03 GMT
What terms did Brunt leave on? Even if it cost Brunt’s own money to get treatment, Rovers are/were still entitled to think he wasn’t worth the risk and both parties can agree to rip up the contract so Brunt could try his luck elsewhere.
I thought Brunt just wanted to try and play and Rovers could rightfully think that his wages could be better spent
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