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Post by Henbury Gas on Nov 24, 2015 15:26:00 GMT
I wonder if the club was consulted on this at any time, as the legal owners of the site i'm sure they would have had a input to it
Or is this part of NH Plan "B" ? ( you want a sports stadium here so help me pay for it type thing)
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2015 16:01:56 GMT
Hands up anyone who thinks for a second that this will be the last spanner thrown into the works by, TRASH, Carstairs or whoever is behind this?
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Post by matealotblue on Nov 24, 2015 16:19:36 GMT
Glad to see Radish and Upstairs are continuing their many years of interest in the Mem. What a joke those two are.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Nov 24, 2015 16:20:04 GMT
Hands up anyone who thinks for a second that this will be the last spanner thrown into the works by, TRASH, Carstairs or whoever is behind this? This is the start of the end not the End of the Start.....
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2015 16:27:29 GMT
Hands up anyone who thinks for a second that this will be the last spanner thrown into the works by, TRASH, Carstairs or whoever is behind this? This is the start of the end not the End of the Start..... The start of the end was the day that Higgs and Watola were told that Sainsbury's had no intention of completing the deal.
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Post by Jon the Stripe on Nov 24, 2015 16:45:00 GMT
This is the start of the end not the End of the Start..... The start of the end was the day that Higgs and Watola were told that Sainsbury's had no intention of completing the deal. .....and deep down inside knew/realised the contract they held was anything other than watertight
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Post by Smithy Gas on Nov 24, 2015 16:44:56 GMT
Its no different to making your local boozer a ACV. You probably could get the listing, but when the developers swoop in, they are still going to be building flats leaving you pub-less!
There has always been a covenant on the ground and this has nothing whatsoever to do with a planning decision, as its a legal entity not under planning remit. Theoretically, define "sport"? A table tennis table outside of a Sainsburys would cover the covenant, although probably not morally.
No group is going to match the offer and its just another stalling tactic.
PS North Somerset Council are a lot worse than BCC, who, have never refused an application from us.
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Post by lulworthgas on Nov 24, 2015 16:45:06 GMT
Why don't we as a group stick in a bid for a tenner now. In 6 months time we tell rovers that we couldn't raise the cash but thanks for the opportunity of allowing us a chance to keep the ground. We can then give them our blessings when they plan on ripping the place down!
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Post by kingswood Polak on Nov 24, 2015 16:58:47 GMT
Glad to see Radish and Upstairs are continuing their many years of interest in the Mem. What a joke those two are. A joke, yes but not a very funny one. They have shown that they are formidable enemies and certainly are not to be dismissed as idiots. What really and I mean REALLY gets my craw is that we, once again, have a case of non Bristolians making decisions that the majority of Bristol born people would not agree with. I hope that when Radice comes to the ballot box, that people remember what she has done and make sure she doesn't get the chance again. She really is a nasty piece of work and I now believe we can safely say she is a bona fide enemy of the club
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2015 18:04:24 GMT
I think it 'just' means that, if the club wants to sell the land, it has to allow a local group that asks to, to match the sale price, and gives them six months to do that. It sticks a seven and a half month delay in things, but the end result should (eventually) be that a sale at that price goes through. That might put off some potential purchasers but I expect house builders would be prepared to wait. It might even push the price up a bit to try to thwart the local group. It's a balls ache though. Seth - perhaps I have got this wrong. It appears to me that The Mem MUST remain as a sports stadium according to this ruling.
If that is the case no-one will want it. Why would anyone want to buy it for it to remain as a sports stadium. I'd love to hear that I am misunderstanding the meaning of this outrageous ruling.
I think ACV status is largely used for pubs, village shops and the like. If somebody wants to convert them to something else, and a community group wants to buy it in order to preserve its use, and can match the sale price, they take priority over a buyer who would convert it to flats or whatever. That's presumably why, in the last paragraph, the local councilors are asking for ideas about what on Earth they could do with it to preserve its use as a memorial sports ground. If no-one else wants to run the place with its original use, and can match the price, the change of use can go ahead and the pub / shop / sports ground / whatever can go. It's just a lifeline for them. I'd have thought the covenant had more weight behind it, tbh, and that proved to be no barrier. What it does mean is that if the board ever seek to do a deal with, say Edward Ware Homes, however much they shroud it in confidentiality agreements, they have to make it public, including the price to be paid. I can't help a wry smile at that aspect of it.
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Post by gasbound on Nov 24, 2015 18:11:18 GMT
Why don't we as a group stick in a bid for a tenner now. In 6 months time we tell rovers that we couldn't raise the cash but thanks for the opportunity of allowing us a chance to keep the ground. We can then give them our blessings when they plan on ripping the place down! Hang on. After doing some lateral thinking I'm going to be devil's advocate here. The asset of community value i believe means any group can try to get the money to buy the Mem. If this is correct (?) then can we the true supporters of the club can also try to put in a bid? If the appeal fails and the BoD decides time to go or possible administration then we could have time to put in a bid/get external support. The Mem would certainly be worth considerably less than what Sainsbury's would have paid for it under these cercumstances. Perhaps the Mem being an asset of community value will work in our favour? Perhaps those who put in the 'application' have actually shot themselves in the foot?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2015 18:15:44 GMT
Why don't we as a group stick in a bid for a tenner now. In 6 months time we tell rovers that we couldn't raise the cash but thanks for the opportunity of allowing us a chance to keep the ground. We can then give them our blessings when they plan on ripping the place down! Hang on. After doing some lateral thinking I'm going to be devil's advocate here. The asset of community value i believe means any group can try to get the money to buy the Mem. If this is correct (?) then can we the true supporters of the club can also try to put in a bid? If the appeal fails and the BoD decides time to go or possible administration then we could have time to put in a bid/get external support. The Mem would certainly be worth considerably less than what Sainsbury's would have paid for it under these cercumstances. Perhaps the Mem being an asset of community value will work in our favour? Perhaps those who put in the 'application' have actually shot themselves in the foot? In terms of how much Higgs will sell for, nothing has changed, in terms of how quickly he can sell, this looks like just another hurdle to get over. Good luck raising more than the site is worth to a housing developer
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Post by Angas on Nov 24, 2015 18:35:38 GMT
Oh the romanticism in this article published back in October. www.bishopstonsociety.org.uk/news/our-news/751-memorial-stadium-an-asset-of-community-value As for this line “Football stadiums are not only the heart and soul of every team, they are rooted in and loved by the neighbourhoods that surround them.” The Memorial Stadium is just such a stadium.
So all that stuff I thought I heard in the past about noise, litter, bad parking, disruption, etc? Just a figment of my imagination, apparently.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2015 19:05:31 GMT
The bill to make buildings an asset of community value was rushed through to save pubs, and more importantly to save them being knocked down when the community still could make them work, what it actually does is slow the process down considerably, Punch taverns were trying to sell the freehold site of a local pub for 550k, the locals offered 200k a year later a deal was struck for 275k as Punch wanted it off their hands. The local's then kept their pub but sold off all the extra land that came with it for 4 houses to be built. It will all come down to the nitty gritty if they say the stadium, well it's not going to be worth much in say 5 years with no money pumped into it. If it is that part of the land must be a sports field, well prime housing land I would have thought.
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Post by The Gas on Nov 24, 2015 23:36:18 GMT
I always thought that Carstairs would haunt us, even when he failed to get the Memorial Stadium designated as a War Memorial. To be honest I had forgotten about him until now. For legal reasons I am NOT saying he is behind this. Also lets not forget the other sparing partner, ex Councillor Willingham, has he had any involvement in this? Does he still want his velodrome built at the Stadium. That is a sport.
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Post by matealotblue on Nov 25, 2015 10:15:23 GMT
Oh the romanticism in this article published back in October. www.bishopstonsociety.org.uk/news/our-news/751-memorial-stadium-an-asset-of-community-value As for this line “Football stadiums are not only the heart and soul of every team, they are rooted in and loved by the neighbourhoods that surround them.” The Memorial Stadium is just such a stadium.
So all that stuff I thought I heard in the past about noise, litter, bad parking, disruption, etc? Just a figment of my imagination, apparently. The yard stick to use for that sort of puking guff dished out by these pompous puffed up pillocks is the cheesy but oh so true phrase used in politics, "There are no permanent friends, just permanent interests". Remember and use that and it all falls into perspective.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2015 10:57:20 GMT
Oh the romanticism in this article published back in October. www.bishopstonsociety.org.uk/news/our-news/751-memorial-stadium-an-asset-of-community-value As for this line “Football stadiums are not only the heart and soul of every team, they are rooted in and loved by the neighbourhoods that surround them.” The Memorial Stadium is just such a stadium.
So all that stuff I thought I heard in the past about noise, litter, bad parking, disruption, etc? Just a figment of my imagination, apparently. The yard stick to use for that sort of puking guff dished out by these pompous puffed up pillocks is the cheesy but oh so true phrase used in politics, "There are no permanent friends, just permanent interests". Remember and use that and it all falls into perspective. A shiny new penny for each resident you can find who ''loves'' that ramshackle mess of a stadium.
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Post by Finnish Gas on Nov 26, 2015 13:25:52 GMT
Seth - perhaps I have got this wrong. It appears to me that The Mem MUST remain as a sports stadium according to this ruling.
If that is the case no-one will want it. Why would anyone want to buy it for it to remain as a sports stadium. I'd love to hear that I am misunderstanding the meaning of this outrageous ruling.
I think ACV status is largely used for pubs, village shops and the like. If somebody wants to convert them to something else, and a community group wants to buy it in order to preserve its use, and can match the sale price, they take priority over a buyer who would convert it to flats or whatever. That's presumably why, in the last paragraph, the local councilors are asking for ideas about what on Earth they could do with it to preserve its use as a memorial sports ground. If no-one else wants to run the place with its original use, and can match the price, the change of use can go ahead and the pub / shop / sports ground / whatever can go. It's just a lifeline for them. I'd have thought the covenant had more weight behind it, tbh, and that proved to be no barrier. What it does mean is that if the board ever seek to do a deal with, say Edward Ware Homes, however much they shroud it in confidentiality agreements, they have to make it public, including the price to be paid. I can't help a wry smile at that aspect of it. I think that is a bit like the Wellington being designated an Asset of Community Value under the Localism Act 2011. It might be already! Re the Mem it is just another a delaying tactic.
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Post by Curly Wurly on Nov 26, 2015 16:11:32 GMT
I think that is a bit like the Wellington being designated an Asset of Community Value under the Localism Act 2011. It might be already! Re the Mem it is just another a delaying tactic. It may be a delaying tactic, but one that has been sanctioned by Bristol City Council. It would be interesting to know what consultation, if any there was with BRFC (1883) ltd. I doubt there was any and, hence the whole thing stinks. We need to ensure all of the ringing endorsements of the stadium on behalf of the local community are recorderd, to be used when we eventually have to put forward a planning application to develop the stadium. But well played Carstairs and Radice, well played....
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Post by Peter Parker on Nov 26, 2015 16:12:57 GMT
I think that is a bit like the Wellington being designated an Asset of Community Value under the Localism Act 2011. It might be already! Re the Mem it is just another a delaying tactic. It may be a delaying tactic, but one that has been sanctioned by Bristol City Council. It would be interesting to know what consultation, if any there was with BRFC (1883) ltd. I doubt there was any and, hence the whole thing stinks. We need to ensure all of the ringing endorsements of the stadium on behalf of the local community are recorderd, to be used when we eventually have to put forward a planning application to develop the stadium. But well played Carstairs and Radice, well played.... I would be disappointed if the owners of any property had zero knowledge of such a proposal/ruling
It will be interesting if this is brought up at the SCAGM tonight and what the response will be
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