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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Nov 8, 2015 5:26:34 GMT
Stay at the Mem.
It's walking distance for many of us. It's communal, quirky and warm.
Redevelop in stages by incorporating our neighbours on Gloucester Rd by viewing them not with contempt, but as potential business partners....so get a nice little protection racket going!
*big tongue in cheek*
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2015 7:04:25 GMT
Stay at the Mem. It's walking distance for many of us. It's communal, quirky and warm. Redevelop in stages by incorporating our neighbours on Gloucester Rd by viewing them not with contempt, but as potential business partners....so get a nice little protection racket going! *big tongue in cheek* Nearly every Rovers supporter that I know wants to stay at the Mem. As you say its handy to get to,loads of pubs cafes etc quite near and you can stand if you want. Not sure about the protection racket ,but you are thinking outside the box...Rovers should redevelop the Mem in very small financially manageable sections over the next ten years,leaving the Blackthorn end as standing,every other area should be covered...visitors section last.
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Post by nickchippenhamgas on Nov 8, 2015 7:27:05 GMT
That's the spirit!!! Think big be big, there is no long term future for us at the Mem imho
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Nov 8, 2015 7:32:58 GMT
That's the spirit!!! Think big be big, there is no long term future for us at the Mem imho Why not? The Gate is in middle of residential area with no parking. And they don't have the bounty of an eclectic Glos Rd. I'm sure we had plans to develop into 18,000 seater stadium where we all had to trek up to Cheltenham for a bit. That's plenty enough to sustain Championship football and retain community status. |
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Post by nsgas on Nov 8, 2015 8:34:12 GMT
That's the spirit!!! Think big be big, there is no long term future for us at the Mem imho Why not? The Gate is in middle of residential area with no parking. And they don't have the bounty of an eclectic Glos Rd. I'm sure we had plans to develop into 18,000 seater stadium where we all had to trek up to Cheltenham for a bit. That's plenty enough to sustain Championship football and retain community status. This^ A brand new stadium in a vibrant area instead of on a trading estate like most others are, surrounded by pubs, shops and cafes on terraced streets. Add in a capacity that is sensible for our needs and the 100s of students living in the flats surrounding the stands and it's perfect! |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2015 8:37:39 GMT
That's the spirit!!! Think big be big, there is no long term future for us at the Mem imho Why not? The Gate is in middle of residential area with no parking. And they don't have the bounty of an eclectic Glos Rd. I'm sure we had plans to develop into 18,000 seater stadium where we all had to trek up to Cheltenham for a bit. That's plenty enough to sustain Championship football and retain community status. You are being practical,Rovers should be aiming for the championship. You wont get much support on here for Plan D though,lots of talk about being a 'big' club,new houses being built,potential,40,000 wembley gasheads etc etc. The long term outlook for many clubs is dismal,ageing supporters,not enough youngsters bothering to watch live games will contribute to many clubs going the same ways as many pubs already have..times have changed. Time now for the powers that be at Rovers to look after what they have got in terms of support.
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Post by Rex on Nov 8, 2015 8:44:01 GMT
I wanted to stay at The Mem all along. Yes I see the advantages of UWE, but it certainly isn't beyond the realms of possibility to make The Mem work- all you need is a bit of cash. The more astute among you will have noticed the slight problem in my last sentence  |
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Nov 8, 2015 9:07:13 GMT
Even though tongue in cheek, I was trying to make the point that sometimes the grass isn't always greener and I think it's important to appreciate what we have and not take for granted.
For some, it's not always just about the 90mins at the stadium. Some take in before and after socialising. It's communal.
Also, because of these attractions, there is already a decent public transport service infrastructure in place.
I can see so many positives moving to UWE or similar, but I genuinely think that isn't the one and only way forward. There are alternatives.
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Post by pirate49 on Nov 8, 2015 9:38:07 GMT
For me UWE = Unwanted White Elephant.
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Post by chippenhamgas on Nov 8, 2015 9:52:55 GMT
Stay at the Mem. It's walking distance for many of us. It's communal, quirky and warm. Redevelop in stages by incorporating our neighbours on Gloucester Rd by viewing them not with contempt, but as potential business partners....so get a nice little protection racket going! *big tongue in cheek* This is all very fine in principle, and if i had a choice between uwe and a fully redeveloped mem I would opt for the latter but it would end up costing much more because we can't sell a piece of land to finance it. Even if we get nothing from the sainsbury's battle we can still get 15-20 million from selling the mem to someone else, leaving what should be a manageable shortfall to build the uwe to full spec. The new stand that caused Northampton so much trouble was going to cost 8m so it will be no cheaper developing the mem and we will have to find all the money. If we go down this road, we will end up starting it, building one stand and it will bankrupt us. |
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Nov 8, 2015 9:53:22 GMT
For me UWE = Unwanted White Elephant. Haha! Pirate49.. Like I said before, I'm sure there are alot of positives.....not least the amount of money flying around and who stands to make the most out if these positives! |
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Nov 8, 2015 9:56:01 GMT
Stay at the Mem. It's walking distance for many of us. It's communal, quirky and warm. Redevelop in stages by incorporating our neighbours on Gloucester Rd by viewing them not with contempt, but as potential business partners....so get a nice little protection racket going! *big tongue in cheek* This is all very fine in principle, and if i had a choice between uwe and a fully redeveloped mem I would opt for the latter but it would end up costing much more because we can't sell a piece of land to finance it. Even if we get nothing from the sainsbury's battle we can still get 15-20 million from selling the mem to someone else, leaving what should be a manageable shortfall to build the uwe to full spec. The new stand that caused Northampton so much trouble was going to cost 8m so it will be no cheaper developing the mem and we will have to find all the money. If we go down this road, we will end up starting it, building one stand and it will bankrupt us. Well no one knows that for sure. At the time we were thinking of developing the Mem we gad a football trust grant. That's almost certain expired, but it shows there are other options. It also shows that plan D was the original plan A.. |
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Post by chippenhamgas on Nov 8, 2015 10:00:37 GMT
This is all very fine in principle, and if i had a choice between uwe and a fully redeveloped mem I would opt for the latter but it would end up costing much more because we can't sell a piece of land to finance it. Even if we get nothing from the sainsbury's battle we can still get 15-20 million from selling the mem to someone else, leaving what should be a manageable shortfall to build the uwe to full spec. The new stand that caused Northampton so much trouble was going to cost 8m so it will be no cheaper developing the mem and we will have to find all the money. If we go down this road, we will end up starting it, building one stand and it will bankrupt us. Well no one knows that for sure. At the time we were thinking of developing the Mem we gad a football trust grant. That's almost certain expired, but it shows there are other options. It also shows that plan D was the original plan A.. Yes we will be eligible for football trust grants but if we build uwe we will be still able to claim the same amount so no benefit. At the end of the day someone is going to have to put their hand in their pocket and find twice as much money to develop the mem as to build uwe. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2015 10:02:14 GMT
I'd be delighted to stay at the Mem. Even 'just' a new Centenary stand replete with modern facilities and a proper South Stand would do to be going on with.
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Post by chippenhamgas on Nov 8, 2015 10:07:25 GMT
I'd be delighted to stay at the Mem. Even 'just' a new Centenary stand replete with modern facilities and a proper South Stand would do to be going on with. To achieve a decent capacity long term the centenary stand side has the most potential and so would need to be largest stand, that would cost between 6-8 million to build. South stand could be done relatively cheaply, maybe a 1500 permanent structure. How are we going to raise the best part of 10 million to complete this? |
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Nov 8, 2015 10:07:36 GMT
Well no one knows that for sure. At the time we were thinking of developing the Mem we gad a football trust grant. That's almost certain expired, but it shows there are other options. It also shows that plan D was the original plan A.. Yes we will be eligible for football trust grants but if we build uwe we will be still able to claim the same amount so no benefit. At the end of the day someone is going to have to put their hand in their pocket and find twice as much money to develop the mem as to build uwe. I accept what you're saying, but at one point in time we were all set to leave the Mem for a season (to temp move to Cheltenham). We even had planning permission in place. If funds were made available from whatever source then, why not now to redevelop Mem now? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2015 10:09:50 GMT
I'd be delighted to stay at the Mem. Even 'just' a new Centenary stand replete with modern facilities and a proper South Stand would do to be going on with. To achieve a decent capacity long term the centenary stand side has the most potential and so would need to be largest stand, that would cost between 6-8 million to build. South stand could be done relatively cheaply, maybe a 1500 permanent structure. How are we going to raise the best part of 10 million to complete this? Sell Ellis. |
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Post by chippenhamgas on Nov 8, 2015 10:10:20 GMT
Yes we will be eligible for football trust grants but if we build uwe we will be still able to claim the same amount so no benefit. At the end of the day someone is going to have to put their hand in their pocket and find twice as much money to develop the mem as to build uwe. I accept what you're saying, but at one point in time we were all set to leave the Mem for a season (to temp move to Cheltenham). We even had planning permission in place. If funds were made available from whatever source then, why not now to redevelop Mem now? Yes I agree, if we can resurrect the student accommodation model of financing a redevelopment it's a goer, that was 6 years ago, maybe the market conditions are more favourable now. Only way we will know is if the board are looking at it. Maybe another question to higgs on 26th Nov at the sc agm? |
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Post by Thatslife on Nov 8, 2015 10:46:26 GMT
Plan D is ok if your happy with league 1 or 2 is your expectation. Setting the ground itself aside for a minute, who on here thinks that the infrastructure around the ground could handle a 10,000 + gate on a regular basis(which would be what's needed to progress the club)? Yes it would be a deserved situation which TRASH have brought on themselves.
Redeveloping the Mem may be desirable to some but is it really particle if you want the club to progress? I think not.
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Post by pirate49 on Nov 8, 2015 10:47:58 GMT
I find it strange that student accommodation sites are springing up all over Bristol, with
even offices being converted; yet we could not make use of that scenario.
City must now be counting their blessings that there were problems with the Ashton Vale site,
as they are now rapidly developing Ashton Gate.
Gloucestershire CCC have managed to develop their Nevil Road ground whilst continuing to play there,
and it's on its way to being able to make a case for being a Test ground.
Whilst there is much to be said for developing a new ground in partnership with a university I still think
that some were blinded by £ signs and false/misguided aspirations.
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