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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2015 12:15:09 GMT
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Post by laughinggas on Nov 5, 2015 13:42:05 GMT
Was their income based on total sales or their ticket sales?
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Post by Cheshiregas on Nov 5, 2015 13:44:56 GMT
I can never understand why ticketing agencies can get away with charging a fee per ticket and a massive amount for postage.
I should imagine that we must have made the same profit then not the £500,000 some were hoping for!
Mind you I should imagine Grimsby made money from shirt, scarves and other associated kit as they seemed to get their act together.
I expect BRFC made very little in that area...
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Post by Henbury Gas on Nov 5, 2015 15:07:18 GMT
I can never understand why ticketing agencies can get away with charging a fee per ticket and a massive amount for postage. I should imagine that we must have made the same profit then not the £500,000 some were hoping for! Mind you I should imagine Grimsby made money from shirt, scarves and other associated kit as they seemed to get their act together. I expect BRFC made very little in that area... Same old bone then another dig at the board |
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Post by Cheshiregas on Nov 5, 2015 15:26:46 GMT
I can never understand why ticketing agencies can get away with charging a fee per ticket and a massive amount for postage. I should imagine that we must have made the same profit then not the £500,000 some were hoping for! Mind you I should imagine Grimsby made money from shirt, scarves and other associated kit as they seemed to get their act together. I expect BRFC made very little in that area... Same old bone then another dig at the board Very defensive Henbury... Not a dig at the BoD just my opinion to which I believe I am entitled am I not? If you want to go down that road I believe one person is in charge of merchandising not the BoD so how can it be a dig at the BoD? Are you aware of any merchandise produced before the final that we made money on? Happy to be corrected... |
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Nov 5, 2015 15:26:57 GMT
Hope they don't spend it all at once..
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2015 17:17:39 GMT
I can never understand why ticketing agencies can get away with charging a fee per ticket and a massive amount for postage. I should imagine that we must have made the same profit then not the £500,000 some were hoping for! Mind you I should imagine Grimsby made money from shirt, scarves and other associated kit as they seemed to get their act together. I expect BRFC made very little in that area... Same old bone then another dig at the board Hardly an undeserved one! |
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Post by severnbeachline on Nov 5, 2015 17:44:51 GMT
I can never understand why ticketing agencies can get away with charging a fee per ticket and a massive amount for postage. I should imagine that we must have made the same profit then not the £500,000 some were hoping for! Mind you I should imagine Grimsby made money from shirt, scarves and other associated kit as they seemed to get their act together. I expect BRFC made very little in that area... Same old bone then another dig at the board Whichever way you look at it, no shirts ready for a play-off final is f**king terrible. |
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Post by gashead1979 on Nov 6, 2015 8:55:22 GMT
Same old bone then another dig at the board Whichever way you look at it, no shirts ready for a play-off final is f******g terrible. Agreed, I saw nothing produced especially for that occasion from the club. Simple opportunities missed...once again, and when they do have ideas its shoddily produced like Santa's Grotty. Maybe they didnt consider not being champions, just like they didnt consider relegation from L2? Either way both teams got shafted in what was a very good crowd for a conference final. |
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Post by laughinggas on Nov 6, 2015 9:19:33 GMT
Once again as someone else said going over old ground re merchandise, sure there is a long thread around.
More interested to see what did we get from the gate money, is it the same as Grimsby?
Think some campaign is require about seetickets etc....
Off topic see relegated league teams are to get a larger parachute payment next season...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2015 9:22:26 GMT
If we didn't make significantly more than Grimsby from the ticket sales, something is wrong. But I'm sure we didn't make as much as we should have once the ticket sharks got involved. Although, if talking about merchandise is old hat then surely this is too, it was done to death in 2007  |
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Post by laughinggas on Nov 6, 2015 9:54:23 GMT
Conference and League have different rules I believe re what happens to the money..
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Post by csssmooth on Nov 6, 2015 11:16:40 GMT
Whatever the other issues regarding merchandise, board in general etc, the major point here is the fact that such a small percentage of the gate receipts trickled down to the teams involved. This simply wouldn't happen at higher levels of the game. Most importantly though is the fact that Seefreakingtickets made much more than Grimsby (and by extension I am guessing Rovers) out of this game, I would guess they made more than the £53K mentioned on profits from their rip off p&p charges, let alone their actual cut.
On that day we were ripped off with prices that were only determined once the conference had seen who was playing, and that were higher than some of the play off finals above us, the fact that then this money was siphoned off and denied the teams that deserved a payday both for their seasons performances and bringing such a volume of support is simply criminal.
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Post by Blue Mist on Nov 6, 2015 12:03:56 GMT
Whatever the other issues regarding merchandise, board in general etc, the major point here is the fact that such a small percentage of the gate receipts trickled down to the teams involved. This simply wouldn't happen at higher levels of the game. Most importantly though is the fact that Seefreakingtickets made much more than Grimsby (and by extension I am guessing Rovers) out of this game, I would guess they made more than the £53K mentioned on profits from their rip off p&p charges, let alone their actual cut. On that day we were ripped off with prices that were only determined once the conference had seen who was playing, and that were higher than some of the play off finals above us, the fact that then this money was siphoned off and denied the teams that deserved a payday both for their seasons performances and bringing such a volume of support is simply criminal.Nail on the head. Its absolutely unbelievable that the clubs made so little, verging on criminal. |
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Post by topman on Nov 6, 2015 12:49:53 GMT
The problem is with the national body and ultimately the FA For that association read The Rugby Union / The ECB and the LTA all with massive resources but cannot produce the output of success that they should - even Andy Murray spent most of his formative years 'outside' of the LTA And of course we should add the Premier League - not enough money reaches grass roots level imo
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Post by faggotygas on Nov 6, 2015 13:23:35 GMT
Whatever the other issues regarding merchandise, board in general etc, the major point here is the fact that such a small percentage of the gate receipts trickled down to the teams involved. This simply wouldn't happen at higher levels of the game. Most importantly though is the fact that Seefreakingtickets made much more than Grimsby (and by extension I am guessing Rovers) out of this game, I would guess they made more than the £53K mentioned on profits from their rip off p&p charges, let alone their actual cut. On that day we were ripped off with prices that were only determined once the conference had seen who was playing, and that were higher than some of the play off finals above us, the fact that then this money was siphoned off and denied the teams that deserved a payday both for their seasons performances and bringing such a volume of support is simply criminal. So why don't the conference use a cheaper company? |
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Post by faggotygas on Nov 6, 2015 13:48:23 GMT
Whatever the other issues regarding merchandise, board in general etc, the major point here is the fact that such a small percentage of the gate receipts trickled down to the teams involved. This simply wouldn't happen at higher levels of the game. Most importantly though is the fact that Seefreakingtickets made much more than Grimsby (and by extension I am guessing Rovers) out of this game, I would guess they made more than the £53K mentioned on profits from their rip off p&p charges, let alone their actual cut. On that day we were ripped off with prices that were only determined once the conference had seen who was playing, and that were higher than some of the play off finals above us, the fact that then this money was siphoned off and denied the teams that deserved a payday both for their seasons performances and bringing such a volume of support is simply criminal. It does seem strange. But, are see tickets so evil? They might be, but I can't assume that just based on the fact that they make a profit from the services they provide, after all that's the point of a company.
A bit of digging about, See tickets are part of Vivendi, a French media company. The subsidiary that includes See Tickets, Vivendi Village, is actually loss making, although I can't find information on the performance of See Tickets on their own. Does anybody have any evidence of collusion here, either between the Conference and See tickets, or between See Tickets and the other companies that do the same job? Is the charge that See tickets made just how much it costs for this service?
On to the Conference - is it profit making? Is it overpaying its executives? From what I remember, they have a policy of taking quite a bit of any profits from the playoffs, and redistributing it to all clubs in the league. Is this wrong?
One thing I do agree with is that, financially, playing the conference at Wembley is not appropriate, and I suspect that hiring of the stadium took a lot of the money. So financially it is nuts, but are there other, indirect reasons for playing at Wembley that outweigh the immediate cost?
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Post by kingswood Polak on Nov 6, 2015 14:25:11 GMT
I feel sorry for both clubs as I would imagine we didn't make much more although I seem to remember their being an article on the OS that said something about the club making more if more fans turned up but I could be wrong or the voices are telling me duff Information lol. Damned sneaky voices |
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Post by faggotygas on Nov 6, 2015 14:57:14 GMT
I feel sorry for both clubs as I would imagine we didn't make much more although I seem to remember their being an article on the OS that said something about the club making more if more fans turned up but I could be wrong or the voices are telling me duff Information lol. Damned sneaky voices Well yeah, if the theory about the hire of Wembley taking the lion's share of the revenue being correct. Wembley would have charged a fixed fee for the stadium hire, plus an addition for each tier & stand opened, or thereabouts. There would therefore have been a breakeven point, over which any revenue after taking out Admin and the conference's share would have been profit, or thereabouts.
So an attendance of 60,000 would have made a much higher profit per fan than 40,000.
For example - and these are entirely made up figures and percentages - let
ticket price per fan = £40 after tax Wembley base hire = £1m Per tier extra £50k Pier section extra £4k See ticket take = 6% Conference take = 50% of what's left
Eg1: Attendance 40,000
Ticket take = £1.6m See Ticket take = £96k leaving £1,504k Less wembley hire (3 tiers, 20 sections = 1m + 150k + 80k = £1,230k ) leaving £274k Conference take = 274k/2 = 137k leaving £137k Per club = £68.5k
Eg2:
Attendance 60,000
Ticket take = £2.4m
See Ticket take = £144k leaving £2,256k
Less wembley hire (3 tiers, 30 sections = 1m + 150k + 120k = £1,270k ) leaving £986k
Conference take = 986k/2 = 493k leaving £493k
Per club = £246.5k
Its undoubtedly way more complicated than that, but you get the idea.
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Post by irishrover on Nov 6, 2015 14:58:23 GMT
Whatever the other issues regarding merchandise, board in general etc, the major point here is the fact that such a small percentage of the gate receipts trickled down to the teams involved. This simply wouldn't happen at higher levels of the game. Most importantly though is the fact that Seefreakingtickets made much more than Grimsby (and by extension I am guessing Rovers) out of this game, I would guess they made more than the £53K mentioned on profits from their rip off p&p charges, let alone their actual cut. On that day we were ripped off with prices that were only determined once the conference had seen who was playing, and that were higher than some of the play off finals above us, the fact that then this money was siphoned off and denied the teams that deserved a payday both for their seasons performances and bringing such a volume of support is simply criminal. It does seem strange. But, are see tickets so evil? They might be, but I can't assume that just based on the fact that they make a profit from the services they provide, after all that's the point of a company.
A bit of digging about, See tickets are part of Vivendi, a French media company. The subsidiary that includes See Tickets, Vivendi Village, is actually loss making, although I can't find information on the performance of See Tickets on their own. Does anybody have any evidence of collusion here, either between the Conference and See tickets, or between See Tickets and the other companies that do the same job? Is the charge that See tickets made just how much it costs for this service?
On to the Conference - is it profit making? Is it overpaying its executives? From what I remember, they have a policy of taking quite a bit of any profits from the playoffs, and redistributing it to all clubs in the league. Is this wrong?
One thing I do agree with is that, financially, playing the conference at Wembley is not appropriate, and I suspect that hiring of the stadium took a lot of the money. So financially it is nuts, but are there other, indirect reasons for playing at Wembley that outweigh the immediate cost?
Because it's stitch up job is why. There is no obvious need for an intermediary company selling tickets - the service it provides is of extremely questionable value and the only reason people use it is because they have no proper choice, not because they are validating the quality of its service. Like many other similar situations it serves no obvious benefit to the consumer and is just designed to give a company a captive market; it is just a cartel agreement between the Conference, Wembley and the company from which, you assume, they all do pretty well out of thanks very much. When I bought my ticket to Wembley in 1995 I bought it directly off the football club; there's no reason at all why that still couldn't be the case but it serves the interests the organisations involved (though not, interestingly, the clubs themselves in this instance) to negotiate exclusive deals like this. Proper competition would mean multiple ticket agencies selling the same tickets and competing on cost with the benefit of driving down the cost for the consumer. It's a bit like TV Rights; that's not a market from the point of view of the consumer either, it's simply a cartel monopoly negotiated at the level of the supplier that constantly drives costs up for the consumer. A proper market would mean that I could pay £2.50 to watch a game streamed through someone's mobile phone on the halfway line or £25 to watch an all singing, all dancing 100 camera angles, freeze frame, match statistics at my finger tips type arrangement. |
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