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Post by dido on May 31, 2014 20:46:13 GMT
Drinking in The Welly, Basel? How things change.
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Post by markczgas on May 31, 2014 21:43:37 GMT
I'm slightly unsure what this meeting is designed to achieve. Any attempt to unite fans is obviously admirable, but what's the end goal of the meeting and what will follow on from it? As the invite states we want to pinpoint supporters Greatest concerns, Decide what we want to happen/change and then decide on how we can make an impact Many ideas have been collated from supporters like yourself from the now defunct OF and from people coming to our meetings (we've had four already) these will be presented on the night but there will be time for supporters to propose things that will be voted on. As for what's the end goal - we shouldn't know that until the end of the night surely ? Come along and see for yourself - we are ordinary supporters like yourself ! Cheers, Mark
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Post by strung out on May 31, 2014 21:47:46 GMT
I will try and be there Mark! Just voicing a few questions in my mind, but would be good to meet you soon (about both BRISA and your own initiative )
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Post by markczgas on May 31, 2014 21:52:55 GMT
If you really are concerned about the future of the club then please attempt to hold your meeting at the stadium. I am sure it will be easier to get representatives of the club to attend if you invite them to a meeting within the stadium. Aye up Northville ! We have written two letters to NH already. No reply yet. As you are aware the club did announce a Q & A in July. Our second letter has requested a firm date as July ain't a great time for this sort of thing (being holiday period and because they should have invited us supporters to something by now anyway ! this meeting on June 10th can be a way of getting firm ideas together (and questions) which we hope will reflect the wishes of all the Gasheads who turn up and can then be used at the Q & A (in theory). Please come along and join in. Mark
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Post by markczgas on May 31, 2014 22:02:05 GMT
Will Brian Seymour Smith and Ken Masters be in attendance so they can listen to the concerns expressed and then as our fans representatives on the board make representations to them on our behalf ?! The BoD must be swamped with our views from various social media sources so how do you propose to make them aware of the concerns raised at this meeting and ensure they take notice of what is said and then act upon it. Don't forget the last response they gave to us expressing our views was to close down the Official Fans forum and disenfranchise nearly 10,500 people's views, if you like a sort of two fingered response ! Give me and others on this forum some idea how you propose to get the views expressed at this meeting to the Board otherwise it is just going to be a load of hot air being expressed that will just float away into the ether. I'm sorry, the time for being 'curious' has long passed many of us and doesn't inspire me sufficiently to make a round journey of 70 miles. Hello Bridgeman, Don't understand your way of thinking are you suggesting Guerrilla warfare as a way forward !? We used the old OF and our 4 meetings already held to get supporters views together and these will be presented for discussion and then voted on BUT there will be time for some more issues to be voiced and voted on. Come along and get talking to other Gasheads face-to -face and let's see if we can come up with some clear and sensible arguments to get the board listening ! Cheers, Mark
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Post by Two Headed Sex Beast on May 31, 2014 22:54:03 GMT
Is that Angas in the background? I can see it ending up like this if it's not well organised:
Presumably there will be some statement of what the meeting is meant to achieve and not just an open free for all, which wil not end amicably over a bag of cheese and onion and a pint, given the very strong feelings at the moment.
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Post by JeffNZ on May 31, 2014 22:54:26 GMT
Posted this on another thread but more appropriate on this one.
I don't think there is much disagreement among Gasheads that enough is enough and change is needed. There will however, be disagreement on how change is achieved.
I only see positives in Gasheads discussing things in an environment that is not controlled or censored. Well done for organising it Mark.
I do however, believe that to make any real headway then any group/s outside of the BRFC or BRSC framework need to be united. Multiple and disparate groups of Gasheads will be easy for the BoD to dismiss or pick off.
While Mark's meeting has not been organised by BRISA, I am sure they will be represented at the meeting and will outline the plans for BRISA.
BRISA is in it's infancy and like any other pressure group will only be successful if it is set up correctly, has the right people running it and most importantly as many Gasheads behind it as possible
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Post by Bridgeman on Jun 1, 2014 1:31:13 GMT
Will Brian Seymour Smith and Ken Masters be in attendance so they can listen to the concerns expressed and then as our fans representatives on the board make representations to them on our behalf ?! The BoD must be swamped with our views from various social media sources so how do you propose to make them aware of the concerns raised at this meeting and ensure they take notice of what is said and then act upon it. Don't forget the last response they gave to us expressing our views was to close down the Official Fans forum and disenfranchise nearly 10,500 people's views, if you like a sort of two fingered response ! Give me and others on this forum some idea how you propose to get the views expressed at this meeting to the Board otherwise it is just going to be a load of hot air being expressed that will just float away into the ether. I'm sorry, the time for being 'curious' has long passed many of us and doesn't inspire me sufficiently to make a round journey of 70 miles. Hello Bridgeman, Don't understand your way of thinking are you suggesting Guerrilla warfare as a way forward !? We used the old OF and our 4 meetings already held to get supporters views together and these will be presented for discussion and then voted on BUT there will be time for some more issues to be voiced and voted on. Come along and get talking to other Gasheads face-to -face and let's see if we can come up with some clear and sensible arguments to get the board listening ! Cheers, Mark Hiya Mark, Guerilla warfare, now there's an idea ! Thank you for your reply. I appreciate what you are attempting to do but as you have already said you have written to Nick Higgs twice and heard nothing and that is how he and the rest of the board will continue to treat us until there is a more formal process introduced. My sugesstion of Brian or Ken being there was made 'tongue in cheek', they are just puppets of the board and no longer represent us ordinary fans as they are not only completely out of touch with us they aren't even in touch with us, they are both a disgrace and should both resign immediately. JeffNZ has referenced the development of BRISA, Bristol Rovers Independent Supporters Association which will attempt to bring together thousands of Rovers fans who feel completely without a voice and representation in the club. There are many fans who until recently were very modest in their view and attitude towards the board. The events of the last few weeks have completely changed that for good as we have been treated with contempt and completely disenfranchised from having an avenue where we can express our views directly to them. I hope someone from BRISA can be in attendance at your meeting to introduce themselves and their aims so that what you do can also be used to force the board to listen to our concerns.
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Post by gasheadnaboo on Jun 1, 2014 1:55:13 GMT
I'll be there 100%, Dave Harper has been pretty keen to speak to me since the Mansfield game so I could ask him to come along as well if you like?
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Post by markczgas on Jun 1, 2014 9:16:21 GMT
Hello Bridgeman, Don't understand your way of thinking are you suggesting Guerrilla warfare as a way forward !? We used the old OF and our 4 meetings already held to get supporters views together and these will be presented for discussion and then voted on BUT there will be time for some more issues to be voiced and voted on. Come along and get talking to other Gasheads face-to -face and let's see if we can come up with some clear and sensible arguments to get the board listening ! Cheers, Mark Hiya Mark, Guerilla warfare, now there's an idea ! Thank you for your reply. I appreciate what you are attempting to do but as you have already said you have written to Nick Higgs twice and heard nothing and that is how he and the rest of the board will continue to treat us until there is a more formal process introduced. My sugesstion of Brian or Ken being there was made 'tongue in cheek', they are just puppets of the board and no longer represent us ordinary fans as they are not only completely out of touch with us they aren't even in touch with us, they are both a disgrace and should both resign immediately. JeffNZ has referenced the development of BRISA, Bristol Rovers Independent Supporters Association which will attempt to bring together thousands of Rovers fans who feel completely without a voice and representation in the club. There are many fans who until recently were very modest in their view and attitude towards the board. The events of the last few weeks have completely changed that for good as we have been treated with contempt and completely disenfranchised from having an avenue where we can express our views directly to them. I hope someone from BRISA can be in attendance at your meeting to introduce themselves and their aims so that what you do can also be used to force the board to listen to our concerns. Hello Bridgeman, Thanks for your reply. Just to let you know we have already met someone from BRISA (Gassed up) and we are very aware of your aims - we think similarly for sure but probably not about the way of going about it. As I stated I hope you will come along to talk to gasheads like me face-to-face. Please no need to Promote BRISA on the night this is about supporters getting involved in action and ideas to keep pressure on the board which we have worked very hard to prepare for and organise. When BRISA are ready you can help them promote your strategies till you drop and I'm sure many like me will want to know more and possibly get involved in. Up The Gas !
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Post by Peter Parker on Jun 1, 2014 10:04:02 GMT
Hiya Mark, Guerilla warfare, now there's an idea ! Thank you for your reply. I appreciate what you are attempting to do but as you have already said you have written to Nick Higgs twice and heard nothing and that is how he and the rest of the board will continue to treat us until there is a more formal process introduced. My sugesstion of Brian or Ken being there was made 'tongue in cheek', they are just puppets of the board and no longer represent us ordinary fans as they are not only completely out of touch with us they aren't even in touch with us, they are both a disgrace and should both resign immediately. JeffNZ has referenced the development of BRISA, Bristol Rovers Independent Supporters Association which will attempt to bring together thousands of Rovers fans who feel completely without a voice and representation in the club. There are many fans who until recently were very modest in their view and attitude towards the board. The events of the last few weeks have completely changed that for good as we have been treated with contempt and completely disenfranchised from having an avenue where we can express our views directly to them. I hope someone from BRISA can be in attendance at your meeting to introduce themselves and their aims so that what you do can also be used to force the board to listen to our concerns. Hello Bridgeman, Thanks for your reply. Just to let you know we have already met someone from BRISA (Gassed up) and we are very aware of your aims - we think similarly for sure but probably not about the way of going about it. As I stated I hope you will come along to talk to gasheads like me face-to-face. Please no need to Promote BRISA on the night this is about supporters getting involved in action and ideas to keep pressure on the board which we have worked very hard to prepare for and organise. When BRISA are ready you can help them promote your strategies till you drop and I'm sure many like me will want to know more and possibly get involved in. Up The Gas ! I agree that BRISA need not be promoted on the night. Glad you have had interaction with them though as it will all help in getting effort of numbers in singing from a silar hymm sheet
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Post by faggotygas on Jun 1, 2014 10:31:06 GMT
Will Brian Seymour Smith and Ken Masters be in attendance so they can listen to the concerns expressed and then as our fans representatives on the board make representations to them on our behalf ?! The BoD must be swamped with our views from various social media sources so how do you propose to make them aware of the concerns raised at this meeting and ensure they take notice of what is said and then act upon it. Don't forget the last response they gave to us expressing our views was to close down the Official Fans forum and disenfranchise nearly 10,500 people's views, if you like a sort of two fingered response ! Give me and others on this forum some idea how you propose to get the views expressed at this meeting to the Board otherwise it is just going to be a load of hot air being expressed that will just float away into the ether. I'm sorry, the time for being 'curious' has long passed many of us and doesn't inspire me sufficiently to make a round journey of 70 miles. Can we stop referring to BSS and KM as fan's representatives? They are representatives of BRSC. They do not represent me.
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Post by Bridgeman on Jun 1, 2014 10:40:59 GMT
Will Brian Seymour Smith and Ken Masters be in attendance so they can listen to the concerns expressed and then as our fans representatives on the board make representations to them on our behalf ?! The BoD must be swamped with our views from various social media sources so how do you propose to make them aware of the concerns raised at this meeting and ensure they take notice of what is said and then act upon it. Don't forget the last response they gave to us expressing our views was to close down the Official Fans forum and disenfranchise nearly 10,500 people's views, if you like a sort of two fingered response ! Give me and others on this forum some idea how you propose to get the views expressed at this meeting to the Board otherwise it is just going to be a load of hot air being expressed that will just float away into the ether. I'm sorry, the time for being 'curious' has long passed many of us and doesn't inspire me sufficiently to make a round journey of 70 miles. Can we stop referring to BSS and KM as fan's representatives? They are representatives of BRSC. They do not represent me. Hi FG, You'll see from my subsequent post that the comment about them representing 'us' was purely 'tongue in cheek'. UTG
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Post by Lazza on Jun 1, 2014 11:40:46 GMT
Will Brian Seymour Smith and Ken Masters be in attendance so they can listen to the concerns expressed and then as our fans representatives on the board make representations to them on our behalf ?! The BoD must be swamped with our views from various social media sources so how do you propose to make them aware of the concerns raised at this meeting and ensure they take notice of what is said and then act upon it. Don't forget the last response they gave to us expressing our views was to close down the Official Fans forum and disenfranchise nearly 10,500 people's views, if you like a sort of two fingered response ! Give me and others on this forum some idea how you propose to get the views expressed at this meeting to the Board otherwise it is just going to be a load of hot air being expressed that will just float away into the ether. I'm sorry, the time for being 'curious' has long passed many of us and doesn't inspire me sufficiently to make a round journey of 70 miles. Can we stop referring to BSS and KM as fan's representatives? They are representatives of BRSC. They do not represent me. I'd go even further than that and say they are representatives of BRFC BoD and not the SC.
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Post by markczgas on Jun 1, 2014 16:34:42 GMT
In today's Bristol Sunday Independent (£1!) there is an excellent article by Richard Latham (page 17) entitled ' Rovers Fans Are Waiting For Closure'
The focus is the club's unwillingness/failure to communicate with fans since the end of the season.
It explains the feelings behind the arranging of the meeting on 10th June very well.
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Post by Bath Gas on Jun 1, 2014 16:36:53 GMT
I think it might work in our favour, having two different styles of groups at the moment. Some people are scared off by too much organisation, and others will only gravitate towards a group that has crossed all the "t's" etc. It doesn't have to signal a divide in the fan base, as I'm sure the majority of us are wanting to work towards the same outcome.
The organisers of both groups appear to be level headed people, who will not have a problem liaising with each other as things progress.
Good work by all concerned in getting both groups up and running.
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Post by markczgas on Jun 1, 2014 16:40:14 GMT
Cheers Bath Gas !
Hope you will come on June 10th.
Mark
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Post by pirate49 on Jun 1, 2014 16:50:40 GMT
Exactly Bath Gas. We are open-minded about the outcome/s of our meeting. Having an arranged meeting with people actually there rather than sitting at home being keyboard warriors sends a clear signal that things at our club must change/improve.
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Post by gassedup on Jun 1, 2014 17:04:08 GMT
I think it might work in our favour, having two different styles of groups at the moment. Some people are scared off by too much organisation, and others will only gravitate towards a group that has crossed all the "t's" etc. It doesn't have to signal a divide in the fan base, as I'm sure the majority of us are wanting to work towards the same outcome. The organisers of both groups appear to be level headed people, who will not have a problem liaising with each other as things progress. Good work by all concerned in getting both groups up and running. Hello Bath Gas Trust a lady (?) to see through our cunning plan. If not a lady you might need to change the settings in your profile. You are however so correct. Whilst we are not, at present and maybe never, connected, we are in touch and talking. We do have the same thoughts, aims and objectives. As you rightly pointed out we do have a different set up. Perhaps the fact that two independent groups are thinking along exactly the same lines is an indication of the situation. The silence from those who we need answers from is deafening.
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Post by Bridgeman on Jun 1, 2014 17:16:53 GMT
Exactly Bath Gas. We are open-minded about the outcome/s of our meeting. Having an arranged meeting with people actually there rather than sitting at home being keyboard warriors sends a clear signal that things at our club must change/improve. I'm sure you didn't mean it in the way it sounded but those fans who are in the process of developing an Independant Supporters Association are, unlike me at the moment, far more than just "keyboard warriors" but I wish you well at your meeting.
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