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Post by brizzle on Sept 15, 2015 11:31:30 GMT
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Sept 15, 2015 12:38:13 GMT
Legend.
Almost certainly will be unique accomplishment. Total respect.
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Post by a more piratey game on Sept 15, 2015 13:19:13 GMT
I didn't realise that our striker and the cricket umpire were one and the same. I'm very pleased to find it out, although through the worst way. It sounds like he make a lot more than most of his allotted years
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Post by brizzle on Sept 15, 2015 14:06:11 GMT
I didn't realise that our striker and the cricket umpire were one and the same. I'm very pleased to find it out, although through the worst way. It sounds like he make a lot more than most of his allotted years Because both Ron Nicholls and Barrie Meyer both played for Gloucestershire CCC, then inevitably there was an overlap between the end of the cricket season and the start of pre-season training with BRFC. Initially Bert Tann went along with both players arriving at the club later than the rest of the players, but eventually he put his foot down and issued them both with an ultimatum, football or cricket. They both opted for cricket with Gloucestershire (and to leave Rovers), and played their football elsewhere. From memory I believe that Ron Nicholls was considered the greater loss of the two at the time, but they were both first-team players and were both missed as I remember. Thankfully Harold Jarman never appeared to be put under similar pressure. |
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Post by irishrover on Sept 15, 2015 15:25:27 GMT
I didn't realise that our striker and the cricket umpire were one and the same. I'm very pleased to find it out, although through the worst way. It sounds like he make a lot more than most of his allotted years Because both Ron Nicholls and Barrie Meyer both played for Gloucestershire CCC, then inevitably there was an overlap between the end of the cricket season and the start of pre-season training with BRFC. Initially Bert Tann went along with both players arriving at the club later than the rest of the players, but eventually he put his foot down and issued them both with an ultimatum, football or cricket. They both opted for cricket with Gloucestershire (and to leave Rovers), and played their football elsewhere. From memory I believe that Ron Nicholls was considered the greater loss of the two at the time, but they were both first-team players and were both missed as I remember. Thankfully Harold Jarman never appeared to be put under similar pressure. That would almost certainly have been because Jarman was never a key player for Gloucestershire whereas Meyer and Nicholls both were at some point I think. Jarman played 45 games over 10 years for Glos which suggests that he was probably more of a squad player at best and may not even have had a regular contract. In other words, it was probably the other way round for him, he was never likely to pick Gloucestershire over Rovers. |
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Post by brizzle on Sept 15, 2015 15:38:50 GMT
Because both Ron Nicholls and Barrie Meyer both played for Gloucestershire CCC, then inevitably there was an overlap between the end of the cricket season and the start of pre-season training with BRFC. Initially Bert Tann went along with both players arriving at the club later than the rest of the players, but eventually he put his foot down and issued them both with an ultimatum, football or cricket. They both opted for cricket with Gloucestershire (and to leave Rovers), and played their football elsewhere. From memory I believe that Ron Nicholls was considered the greater loss of the two at the time, but they were both first-team players and were both missed as I remember. Thankfully Harold Jarman never appeared to be put under similar pressure.That would almost certainly have been because Jarman was never a key player for Gloucestershire whereas Meyer and Nicholls both were at some point I think. Jarman played 45 games over 10 years for Glos which suggests that he was probably more of a squad player at best and may not even have had a regular contract. In other words, it was probably the other way round for him, he was never likely to pick Gloucestershire over Rovers. My last line was a bit tongue in cheek, but you are right in what you say. Harold was employed as a batsman by Gloucestershire, but had most success with his whippet-like fielding. In that respect he mirrored Jim Foat. |
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Post by Wreckless on Sept 15, 2015 16:39:47 GMT
Just missed his footballing career, but he played in the first Glos match that I ever saw (1968 v Yorkshire).
I just looked back in my Year Book, and saw that he scored 36 at No.11! Must have been one of his better scores, but a good example of his tenacity.
Half of the team have gone - Milton, Nicholls, Shep, Allen, Mortimore, Smith. And only last week Brian Close, who was also playing. Great memories.
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Post by irishrover on Sept 15, 2015 16:47:21 GMT
That would almost certainly have been because Jarman was never a key player for Gloucestershire whereas Meyer and Nicholls both were at some point I think. Jarman played 45 games over 10 years for Glos which suggests that he was probably more of a squad player at best and may not even have had a regular contract. In other words, it was probably the other way round for him, he was never likely to pick Gloucestershire over Rovers. My last line was a bit tongue in cheek, but you are right in what you say. Harold was employed as a batsman by Gloucestershire, but had most success with his whippet-like fielding. In that respect he mirrored Jim Foat. It's interesting - I mean if you look at his batting record now you'd wonder how he ever played so many games but different qualities were highly regarded in that era and the game was generally much lower scoring than it is now. Do you know if Harold Jarman played club cricket at all? |
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Post by shawisahypocrite on Sept 15, 2015 17:00:16 GMT
My last line was a bit tongue in cheek, but you are right in what you say. Harold was employed as a batsman by Gloucestershire, but had most success with his whippet-like fielding. In that respect he mirrored Jim Foat. It's interesting - I mean if you look at his batting record now you'd wonder how he ever played so many games but different qualities were highly regarded in that era and the game was generally much lower scoring than it is now. Do you know if Harold Jarman played club cricket at all? Didn't he play for a team called Optimists? Don't know what league they were in though. |
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Post by irishrover on Sept 15, 2015 17:14:48 GMT
It's interesting - I mean if you look at his batting record now you'd wonder how he ever played so many games but different qualities were highly regarded in that era and the game was generally much lower scoring than it is now. Do you know if Harold Jarman played club cricket at all? Didn't he play for a team called Optimists? Don't know what league they were in though. Well Optimists are now called Bristol CC and have always been one of the top clubs in the area - it would make sense although they were historically linked to Clifton College and back in the day had a reputation of being a bit snobby I believe. |
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Post by brizzle on Sept 15, 2015 17:37:13 GMT
Yes Harold did play for Optimists, joining the club in 1952 when he was 13. Another Optimist player from that time was Terry Oldfield.
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Post by shawisahypocrite on Sept 15, 2015 17:57:36 GMT
Yes Harold did play for Optimists, joining the club in 1952 when he was 13. Another Optimist player from that time was Terry Oldfield. brizzle, am I right in thinking there was a team called Pessimists as well? Or is my ageing brain cell playing tricks? |
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Post by harrybuckle on Sept 15, 2015 18:20:38 GMT
My last line was a bit tongue in cheek, but you are right in what you say. Harold was employed as a batsman by Gloucestershire, but had most success with his whippet-like fielding. In that respect he mirrored Jim Foat. It's interesting - I mean if you look at his batting record now you'd wonder how he ever played so many games but different qualities were highly regarded in that era and the game was generally much lower scoring than it is now. Do you know if Harold Jarman played club cricket at all? You should buy the excellent HAROLD JARMAN biography LOCAL HER0which came out last year...which covers his two careers ...he was indeed a highly rated local cricket league batsman with Downend, Optimists and Westbury on Trym for many years |
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Post by harrybuckle on Sept 15, 2015 18:21:15 GMT
Yes Harold did play for Optimists, joining the club in 1952 when he was 13. Another Optimist player from that time was Terry Oldfield. brizzle, am I right in thinking there was a team called Pessimists as well? Or is my ageing brain cell playing tricks? Rovers keeper Bernard Hall also played for Optimists |
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Post by brizzle on Sept 15, 2015 19:14:08 GMT
Yes Harold did play for Optimists, joining the club in 1952 when he was 13. Another Optimist player from that time was Terry Oldfield. brizzle, am I right in thinking there was a team called Pessimists as well? Or is my ageing brain cell playing tricks?No, I don't think so because I'm quite certain that I've heard (and read) about them, but I can't give you any details I'm afraid. So if you're going under, then so am I.  |
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Post by kingswood Polak on Sept 16, 2015 12:44:18 GMT
Didn't he play for a team called Optimists? Don't know what league they were in though. Well Optimists are now called Bristol CC and have always been one of the top clubs in the area - it would make sense although they were historically linked to Clifton College and back in the day had a reputation of being a bit snobby I believe. I used to fence for county & country and my club was the Polish fencing club calked Ognisko. I was seen as a prodigy and at 13 I had the national team coach travel to the Polish club, twice a week. I had Clifton college, amongst others such as Phoenix, try so hard to get me to join them. I used to take great pleasure in beating any fencer from Clifton college as, not only were they awful snobs but they also cheated. In those days the pool stages were not electrically judged & so you had your opponents as hit judges and the college had their own umpire. They tried every trick in the book as did Millfield and most of the public schools. Yes, they were bloody snobs |
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Post by shawisahypocrite on Sept 16, 2015 16:03:17 GMT
brizzle, am I right in thinking there was a team called Pessimists as well? Or is my ageing brain cell playing tricks?No, I don't think so because I'm quite certain that I've heard (and read) about them, but I can't give you any details I'm afraid. So if you're going under, then so am I. Ha Ha. Good man. |
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Post by brizzle on Sept 16, 2015 16:09:33 GMT
No, I don't think so because I'm quite certain that I've heard (and read) about them, but I can't give you any details I'm afraid. So if you're going under, then so am I. Ha Ha. Good man. This is my best going under face = . Oblivious you see.  |
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Sept 20, 2015 6:19:44 GMT
I hope we have a minutes observation before Pompey match to celebrate his fascinating life?
After a resounding victory at Lords yesterday, it would be fitting, topical and poignant.
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Post by lostinspace on Sept 20, 2015 9:23:56 GMT
Well Optimists are now called Bristol CC and have always been one of the top clubs in the area - it would make sense although they were historically linked to Clifton College and back in the day had a reputation of being a bit snobby I believe. I used to fence for county & country and my club was the Polish fencing club calked Ognisko. I was seen as a prodigy and at 13 I had the national team coach travel to the Polish club, twice a week. I had Clifton college, amongst others such as Phoenix, try so hard to get me to join them. I used to take great pleasure in beating any fencer from Clifton college as, not only were they awful snobs but they also cheated. In those days the pool stages were not electrically judged & so you had your opponents as hit judges and the college had their own umpire. They tried every trick in the book as did Millfield and most of the public schools. Yes, they were bloody snobs the cheating bit made me chuckle, as my daughter used to play hockey against a few private schools, Taunton and Millfield amongst them, and these poor overworked sports teachers were among the most bias officials when it came to free hits and the like, certainly could not take a defeat against the minions and riff raff!!! |
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