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Post by hanhamblue on Jun 26, 2014 13:51:04 GMT
Harrison and Santos were a pair spoilt brats last season. I remember that against Torquay on boxing day someone retrieved the ball for Santos and he looked at them like they were a piece of s**t on his shoe. Santos will be an even bigger dick after the Hull approach so if he leaves it may just be the thing Harrison needs to improve his attitude. I like the way Clarke man manages and isn't afraid to call people out. Don't blow your last chance Harrison.
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Post by wsmjohn on Jun 26, 2014 20:51:46 GMT
Hope it works out for him, we have all been young and thought we know everything. Ellis all you need to do is find a stable role model, you have genuine raw talent which needs shaping. All the best for the new season.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2014 21:20:08 GMT
For goodness sake, give him a break!
He's a young lad who had a torid time off the field last season. How many of you would have been fully focused on your job with that hanging over you?
Unlike Norburn, Clarke and Harding at least Ellis has raw talent.
What a crazy game it is, the bloke who was 2nd in comand all season, made a right dog's dinner of the final 8 games and then broke down in tears is standing in judgement and piling pressure on a young player. Well Darrell, how about you look at your own performance last year and ask yourself if you did absolutely everything that you could have done over the entire season? This manager is a clown, prepare for a long hard season.
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Post by alwaysgas on Jun 26, 2014 22:37:45 GMT
For goodness sake, give him a break! He's a young lad who had a torid time off the field last season. How many of you would have been fully focused on your job with that hanging over you? Unlike Norburn, Clarke and Harding at least Ellis has raw talent. What a crazy game it is, the bloke who was 2nd in comand all season, made a right dog's dinner of the final 8 games and then broke down in tears is standing in judgement and piling pressure on a young player. Well Darrell, how about you look at your own performance last year and ask yourself if you did absolutely everything that you could have done over the entire season? This manager is a clown, prepare for a long hard season. I've seen some awlful posts but well done you are up there.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2014 0:01:40 GMT
For goodness sake, give him a break! He's a young lad who had a torid time off the field last season. How many of you would have been fully focused on your job with that hanging over you? Unlike Norburn, Clarke and Harding at least Ellis has raw talent. What a crazy game it is, the bloke who was 2nd in comand all season, made a right dog's dinner of the final 8 games and then broke down in tears is standing in judgement and piling pressure on a young player. Well Darrell, how about you look at your own performance last year and ask yourself if you did absolutely everything that you could have done over the entire season? This manager is a clown, prepare for a long hard season. I've seen some awlful posts but well done you are up there. Your problem is what exactly? You are aware of what was happening in Ellis' personal life last season. Look in a mirror and ask if you would be 100% focused on your job in that situation? You think that the awful Norburn, Ollie Clarke or the truly awful Mitch Harding are better prospects? You think that publically slating the player is better than saying something along the lines of, ''Ellis and I have spoken about last season, we now know exactly what we expect of each other. Ellis has proved that he's more than a handfull for defenders on his day, we have put last season behind us and are now looking forward to him showing what he's capable of'. Was Clarke not 2nd in command last season? Did he do a good job over the last 8 games? Or is it that we aren't allowed to mention his mistakes last season but it's OK for him to take a swipe at a player?
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Post by LJG on Jun 27, 2014 12:21:43 GMT
I've seen some awlful posts but well done you are up there. Your problem is what exactly? You are aware of what was happening in Ellis' personal life last season. Look in a mirror and ask if you would be 100% focused on your job in that situation? You think that the awful Norburn, Ollie Clarke or the truly awful Mitch Harding are better prospects? You think that publically slating the player is better than saying something along the lines of, ''Ellis and I have spoken about last season, we now know exactly what we expect of each other. Ellis has proved that he's more than a handfull for defenders on his day, we have put last season behind us and are now looking forward to him showing what he's capable of'. Was Clarke not 2nd in command last season? Did he do a good job over the last 8 games? Or is it that we aren't allowed to mention his mistakes last season but it's OK for him to take a swipe at a player? Prepare to read the words "They weren't his players" repeated 15 - 20 times over the course of the rest of this thread.
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Post by Peter Parker on Jun 27, 2014 12:27:47 GMT
I hope Ellis can get his head down.
No disrespect to Alfie Santos, but I'd like to think the interest in Alfie is a bit of a kick up the arse to Ellis. Ellis has the raw tools and if he can get his head straight should be a much better player than Santos IMO
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Post by dmacca65 on Jun 27, 2014 12:33:05 GMT
I hope Ellis can get his head down. No disrespect to Alfie Santos, but I'd like to think the interest in Alfie is a bit of a kick up the arse to Ellis. Ellis has the raw tools and if he can get his head straight should be a much better player than Santos IMO Agreed! Wouldn't it be nice for something/someone to come good for us!
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Post by droitwichgas on Jun 27, 2014 13:12:39 GMT
Your problem is what exactly? You are aware of what was happening in Ellis' personal life last season. Look in a mirror and ask if you would be 100% focused on your job in that situation? You think that the awful Norburn, Ollie Clarke or the truly awful Mitch Harding are better prospects? You think that publically slating the player is better than saying something along the lines of, ''Ellis and I have spoken about last season, we now know exactly what we expect of each other. Ellis has proved that he's more than a handfull for defenders on his day, we have put last season behind us and are now looking forward to him showing what he's capable of'. Was Clarke not 2nd in command last season? Did he do a good job over the last 8 games? Or is it that we aren't allowed to mention his mistakes last season but it's OK for him to take a swipe at a player? Prepare to read the words "They weren't his players" repeated 15 - 20 times over the course of the rest of this thread. What a load of nonsense, why couldn't he get his head down after the case was thrown out and thank the club for standing by him by putting in some effort, rather than apparently refusing to train whilst seeking a transfer in the midst of our relegation fight. What other occupation would pay a 19 year old upto a £1k a week to do b...er all? Not sure gasheads will ever forgive him for last season.
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Post by wfgyugweuy on Jun 27, 2014 13:33:31 GMT
He's a kid though and I think if he bucks his ideas up a bit and starts acting a bit more mature then he could be a really good player next season forus. Hopefully the fact that nobody is lining up to take up will make it hit home that he needs to actually show what he can do over a period a bit longer than in just one game and therefore could show some more moments of excellence like he has done on occasions.
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Post by c13 on Jun 27, 2014 15:09:15 GMT
For goodness sake, give him a break! He's a young lad who had a torid time off the field last season. How many of you would have been fully focused on your job with that hanging over you? Unlike Norburn, Clarke and Harding at least Ellis has raw talent. What a crazy game it is, the bloke who was 2nd in comand all season, made a right dog's dinner of the final 8 games and then broke down in tears is standing in judgement and piling pressure on a young player. Well Darrell, how about you look at your own performance last year and ask yourself if you did absolutely everything that you could have done over the entire season? This manager is a clown, prepare for a long hard season. Thing is, while Darrell was trying his hardest (whether you think his hardest is enough or not) with a low-morale, low-quality, injury prone squad featuring many 3-year contract wasters like O'Toole, your pretty boy was missing training sessions and looking to jump off to another ship before the BRFC ship sunk, when no one was watching. He is on the wrong no matter how you look at it. It's one thing to be "unfocused" like, say, Harrold or Parkes in the last 10 games, but what Harrison has done can't be excused just because of off-pitch problems. He clearly thought he could follow his pal Shaquille in p*ssing all over the club then leaving for brighter skies. However, he didn't and that's all the reason Darrell needs to bring in the pressure. He IS the commander and a commander's job is to, well, command. If you think that putting a underachieving 19-year-old potential troublemaker inside of a bubble is the way to make him grow, rather than making him see the error of his ways (just like Darrell constantly recognized his blame on the relegation campaign), well, I'm just glad you're not our manager.
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Post by sharkey on Jun 27, 2014 18:27:27 GMT
I agree - he is not a baby and does not deserve or need to be mollycoddled. Your paid to do a job and, like most people in life, you should do your best for the company/club/person paying you. Seems too much that people are more happy to slag off players BEFORE watching them play and blame a Manager who was in charge for 8 games rather than deal harshly with a young upstart. However, if he was placed in a bubble, do you think the same people would be moaning that we were being too soft because the Manager does not know what he is doing?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2014 18:31:01 GMT
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Post by phillistine on Jun 27, 2014 18:46:39 GMT
I dont know whether i has changed over the years but the late Bob Twyford told me that when young players come into a club like Rovers they swap one school environment for another. In Bob's words " we house them, feed them and wipe their behinds for them" - this encourages them to think only of their own importance and they end up with no understanding of how to live their lives in the real world. If indeed this is still true then it perhaps explains why there are so many petulant school boy type problems with young players and maybe a glimpse of what its like in the real world and a realisation of just how lucky they are may make a naughty schoolboy grow up a little
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2014 18:50:39 GMT
I dont know whether i has changed over the years but the late Bob Twyford told me that when young players come into a club like Rovers they swap one school environment for another. In Bob's words " we house them, feed them and wipe their behinds for them" - this encourages them to think only of their own importance and they end up with no understanding of how to live their lives in the real world. If indeed this is still true then it perhaps explains why there are so many petulant school boy type problems with young players and maybe a glimpse of what its like in the real world and a realisation of just how lucky they are may make a naughty schoolboy grow up a little I'm sure it's much worse now than it was back then, certainly the higher in the pyramid you go.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2014 19:00:20 GMT
For goodness sake, give him a break! He's a young lad who had a torid time off the field last season. How many of you would have been fully focused on your job with that hanging over you? Unlike Norburn, Clarke and Harding at least Ellis has raw talent. What a crazy game it is, the bloke who was 2nd in comand all season, made a right dog's dinner of the final 8 games and then broke down in tears is standing in judgement and piling pressure on a young player. Well Darrell, how about you look at your own performance last year and ask yourself if you did absolutely everything that you could have done over the entire season? This manager is a clown, prepare for a long hard season. Can we look forward to a season of "clown" posts as well ??
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2014 19:04:36 GMT
For goodness sake, give him a break! He's a young lad who had a torid time off the field last season. How many of you would have been fully focused on your job with that hanging over you? Unlike Norburn, Clarke and Harding at least Ellis has raw talent. What a crazy game it is, the bloke who was 2nd in comand all season, made a right dog's dinner of the final 8 games and then broke down in tears is standing in judgement and piling pressure on a young player. Well Darrell, how about you look at your own performance last year and ask yourself if you did absolutely everything that you could have done over the entire season? This manager is a clown, prepare for a long hard season. Can we look forward to a season of "clown" posts as well ?? Only if you post that "rubbish" (Chairman Higgs' words) about board room changes again.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2014 19:07:49 GMT
For goodness sake, give him a break! He's a young lad who had a torid time off the field last season. How many of you would have been fully focused on your job with that hanging over you? Unlike Norburn, Clarke and Harding at least Ellis has raw talent. What a crazy game it is, the bloke who was 2nd in comand all season, made a right dog's dinner of the final 8 games and then broke down in tears is standing in judgement and piling pressure on a young player. Well Darrell, how about you look at your own performance last year and ask yourself if you did absolutely everything that you could have done over the entire season? This manager is a clown, prepare for a long hard season. Thing is, while Darrell was trying his hardest (whether you think his hardest is enough or not) with a low-morale, low-quality, injury prone squad featuring many 3-year contract wasters like O'Toole, your pretty boy was missing training sessions and looking to jump off to another ship before the BRFC ship sunk, when no one was watching. He is on the wrong no matter how you look at it. It's one thing to be "unfocused" like, say, Harrold or Parkes in the last 10 games, but what Harrison has done can't be excused just because of off-pitch problems. He clearly thought he could follow his pal Shaquille in p*ssing all over the club then leaving for brighter skies. However, he didn't and that's all the reason Darrell needs to bring in the pressure. He IS the commander and a commander's job is to, well, command. If you think that putting a underachieving 19-year-old potential troublemaker inside of a bubble is the way to make him grow, rather than making him see the error of his ways (just like Darrell constantly recognized his blame on the relegation campaign), well, I'm just glad you're not our manager. well said. I thought everyone at Rovers could see what was happening but obviously Bamber is a bit `challenged`
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