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Post by dagnogo on Aug 16, 2015 12:16:54 GMT
Can't see what Darrell's done wrong here.
He's been honest with the player, hasn't criticised him, and has made it clear that he has two options, to stay and be a backup for a year or to find another club.
You would imagine he's at the higher end of the wage structure, and you can get a good keeper on loan or on inexpensive wages.
Mildenhall was top drawer for us when w went down and for the first half of last year. He's a model pro and deserves our thanks when he does eventually leave.
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Post by irishrover on Aug 16, 2015 16:25:35 GMT
I don't think anyone's done anything wrong here - it's just time to go seperate ways clearly.
If DC has really assessed the squad and decided we could do better than Mildenhall and Puddy then I think that's fair enough and a brave, pro-active decision. He's not strung anyone along here. Mildenhall has been round the block a few times, I can't imagine any of this is a massive surprise or shock to him. He's certainly good enough to find someone else to take him on I think.
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Post by Peter Parker on Aug 16, 2015 16:31:41 GMT
He hasnt told him to f off or anything. He wants a new keeper as let Mildenhall and everyone else know and said he can stay and fight for his place if he wants. Might be the veiled message but all bases covered
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Post by lympstonegas on Aug 16, 2015 16:36:36 GMT
And you are one who asks for more transparency - which this is. Fair to Mildy because he has the option to stay and improve (he has struggled since his injury) or look elsewhere - while in the meantime he will not lose out financially. Fair to the supporters because we know what the score is. Transparency would have been explaining that a new keeper had been brought in but Mildenhall was with the club for now and may go out on loan. Imagine your boss broadcast the details of your terms of engagement to your whole office. It could be quite damaging. Transparent doesn't mean tactless. Cant win can he People on here slate players - seems that's ok People on here say players should be dropped and some are unstoppable - DCs favourites People say they want transparency DC has always said it as it is People wanted mildenhall out and said Puddy wasn't good enough for L2 DC react quickly and gets a new keeper in immediately DC makes a clear explanation - people don't like Oh how they love slating the clueless one - even though for Bristol Rovers he got it right
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 16, 2015 16:36:34 GMT
For the life me I can't see how SM could be offended by these words?
Clarke said: “It is nothing personal at all because Steve is a great servant to Bristol Rovers and a model professional.
“I haven’t got a problem with Steve and he appreciates the honest way in which I have approached the situation. It is simply my preference to go with a different style of goalkeeper. He is very disappointed and I wouldn’t expect him to be anything other than that.
“I am not in the process of messing players about and as an experienced and senior professional with a year left to run on his contract I felt it only right to let him know that he will not be my first-choice goalkeeper."
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Post by Peter Parker on Aug 16, 2015 16:52:16 GMT
For the life me I can't see how SM could be offended by these words? Clarke said: “It is nothing personal at all because Steve is a great servant to Bristol Rovers and a model professional. “I haven’t got a problem with Steve and he appreciates the honest way in which I have approached the situation. It is simply my preference to go with a different style of goalkeeper. He is very disappointed and I wouldn’t expect him to be anything other than that. “I am not in the process of messing players about and as an experienced and senior professional with a year left to run on his contract I felt it only right to let him know that he will not be muy first-choice goalkeeper." Exacrly whats wrong with that?
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Post by Bridgeman on Aug 16, 2015 17:13:29 GMT
For the life me I can't see how SM could be offended by these words? Clarke said: “It is nothing personal at all because Steve is a great servant to Bristol Rovers and a model professional. “I haven’t got a problem with Steve and he appreciates the honest way in which I have approached the situation. It is simply my preference to go with a different style of goalkeeper. He is very disappointed and I wouldn’t expect him to be anything other than that. “I am not in the process of messing players about and as an experienced and senior professional with a year left to run on his contract I felt it only right to let him know that he will not be muy first-choice goalkeeper." Exacrly whats wrong with that? He was too clear with his explanation and has left nothing for anyone to speculate about ?
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Post by brizzle on Aug 16, 2015 17:27:16 GMT
Exacrly whats wrong with that? He was too clear with his explanation and has left nothing for anyone to speculate about ? I wouldn't bank on it. There's always one or two, it seems to me.
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Post by Bridgeman on Aug 16, 2015 19:07:54 GMT
For the life me I can't see how SM could be offended by these words? Clarke said: “It is nothing personal at all because Steve is a great servant to Bristol Rovers and a model professional. “I haven’t got a problem with Steve and he appreciates the honest way in which I have approached the situation. It is simply my preference to go with a different style of goalkeeper. He is very disappointed and I wouldn’t expect him to be anything other than that. “I am not in the process of messing players about and as an experienced and senior professional with a year left to run on his contract I felt it only right to let him know that he will not be muy first-choice goalkeeper." Exacrly whats wrong with that? Erm....you can't spell 'exactly'...... ?
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Post by LJG on Aug 16, 2015 20:07:38 GMT
Transparency would have been explaining that a new keeper had been brought in but Mildenhall was with the club for now and may go out on loan. Imagine your boss broadcast the details of your terms of engagement to your whole office. It could be quite damaging. Transparent doesn't mean tactless. Cant win can he People on here slate players - seems that's ok People on here say players should be dropped and some are unstoppable - DCs favourites People say they want transparency DC has always said it as it is People wanted mildenhall out and said Puddy wasn't good enough for L2 DC react quickly and gets a new keeper in immediately DC makes a clear explanation - people don't like Oh how they love slating the clueless one - even though for Bristol Rovers he got it right Not really anything that I was talking about. I'm just talking about tact.
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Post by Angas on Aug 16, 2015 20:32:07 GMT
Can't see what Darrell's done wrong here. He's been honest with the player, hasn't criticised him, and has made it clear that he has two options, to stay and be a backup for a year or to find another club. Agree with that. Surely far better that DC is open and up front when asked the question. No doubt the new PR bloke would tell him to say nothing and leave us all to draw our own conclusions as with UWE, court cases, appeals, finances, investors, etc, etc, etc. Maybe the thinking is that while we're busy filling 50 pages with theories we won't have time to cause any bother in the real world.
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Post by LincsBlue on Aug 16, 2015 21:21:00 GMT
He's got to be on a decent wage, right?? Therefore I can't see him going anywhere any time soon, unless on loan and we cover half his wages....which would free up some wages but not all.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2015 22:16:48 GMT
Transparency would have been explaining that a new keeper had been brought in but Mildenhall was with the club for now and may go out on loan. Imagine your boss broadcast the details of your terms of engagement to your whole office. It could be quite damaging. Transparent doesn't mean tactless. Cant win can he People on here slate players - seems that's ok People on here say players should be dropped and some are unstoppable - DCs favourites People say they want transparency DC has always said it as it is People wanted mildenhall out and said Puddy wasn't good enough for L2 DC react quickly and gets a new keeper in immediately DC makes a clear explanation - people don't like Oh how they love slating the clueless one - even though for Bristol Rovers he got it right I wouldn't bother with her mate. She's always right, typical woman
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Post by Royal Blue on Aug 16, 2015 22:20:27 GMT
It is all a part of the ruthless nature of football. I for one am bloody glad we have a manager who has the balls to make these decisions and demand continued improvement.
Mildy is a very nice chap and was great when he first joined, but his performances have tailed off massively in the past 12 months. You can see the defence have lost all confidence in him and it is definitely in our best interests to bring somebody else in. I would imagine the board are willing to back Darrell in this regard, as I doubt he would have told Mildy he is no longer wanted if he hadn't got assurances he can get a new number 1 through the door.
Mildy has a decision to make now. Sit on his good wage here for a year, or move on for regular football with a view to landing a coaching role when he retires. People may think it is a no-brainer to continue taking the wages he will get paid here, but how many clubs are going to take a chance on a 36/37 year old goalkeeper who hasn't played for the best part of a year? Very few, if any, I'd guess. Given how professional the guy is, I think he'd be tempted to get a new club and see out his final years playing as a first team regular somewhere. I'd imagine he'd like to stay local, which narrows down the possibilities, but I could see him ending up somewhere like Eastleigh. He'd pick up a tidy wage there and may have the chance to get another promotion on his CV.
If he does move on that would be ideal for us, as it frees up more wages to go and land a good new first choice goalkeeper. Darrell will have a first choice target in mind and he will be working hard to get him on board I'm sure, but Chapman had an assured debut yesterday and is an imposing figure between the sticks. If he can continue in the same vain over the next couple of games it will stand him in very good stead and potentially force DC's hand somewhat.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Aug 18, 2015 11:33:25 GMT
It is all a part of the ruthless nature of football. I for one am bloody glad we have a manager who has the balls to make these decisions and demand continued improvement. Mildy is a very nice chap and was great when he first joined, but his performances have tailed off massively in the past 12 months. You can see the defence have lost all confidence in him and it is definitely in our best interests to bring somebody else in. I would imagine the board are willing to back Darrell in this regard, as I doubt he would have told Mildy he is no longer wanted if he hadn't got assurances he can get a new number 1 through the door. Mildy has a decision to make now. Sit on his good wage here for a year, or move on for regular football with a view to landing a coaching role when he retires. People may think it is a no-brainer to continue taking the wages he will get paid here, but how many clubs are going to take a chance on a 36/37 year old goalkeeper who hasn't played for the best part of a year? Very few, if any, I'd guess. Given how professional the guy is, I think he'd be tempted to get a new club and see out his final years playing as a first team regular somewhere. I'd imagine he'd like to stay local, which narrows down the possibilities, but I could see him ending up somewhere like Eastleigh. He'd pick up a tidy wage there and may have the chance to get another promotion on his CV. If he does move on that would be ideal for us, as it frees up more wages to go and land a good new first choice goalkeeper. Darrell will have a first choice target in mind and he will be working hard to get him on board I'm sure, but Chapman had an assured debut yesterday and is an imposing figure between the sticks. If he can continue in the same vain over the next couple of games it will stand him in very good stead and potentially force DC's hand somewhat. I was hoping he would be part of our own boot room team when he ended his footballing career. Obviously a bit more intelligent than your average footballer and a shame it has ended as it has. I just feel it was a big risk to bring in Chapman as it happened. Whatever we have been told happened, it would seem that there has been a difference in opinion for this to happen so quickly. As much as I'd like to be swept up by the near hysteria over DC, I feel he could be more professional and not try so hard to be one of the boys, just my opinion.
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 18, 2015 11:42:01 GMT
Being professional didn't work for PT/PB/MM/JW so perhaps telling the fans what they want to hear might work better. For all we know all this being one of the lads might be coming from our new PR guru?
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Post by harrybuckle on Aug 18, 2015 12:17:48 GMT
I understand Ryan Clarke was lined up but when his agent put forward his wages demand ...DC promptly said he would pass ....
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2015 12:28:30 GMT
I understand Ryan Clarke was lined up but when his agent put forward his wages demand ...DC promptly said he would pass .... Good.
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Post by RiversGas on Aug 18, 2015 12:28:33 GMT
Cant win can he People on here slate players - seems that's ok People on here say players should be dropped and some are unstoppable - DCs favourites People say they want transparency DC has always said it as it is People wanted mildenhall out and said Puddy wasn't good enough for L2 DC react quickly and gets a new keeper in immediately DC makes a clear explanation - people don't like Oh how they love slating the clueless one - even though for Bristol Rovers he got it right Not really anything that I was talking about. I'm just talking about tact. We don't know that he wasn't tactful, as my assumption would be this all happened behind doors, and DC asked SM what details SM would like held back from the press. I believe that what we have seen is what SM agreed to. Its OK though because in three weeks I will be Back in OZ so I only have to hide for that long.
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Post by CountyGroundHotel on Aug 18, 2015 12:37:10 GMT
The only thing I don't get about this is the timing. It would've been better for all parties if this decision had been made on May, DC would've had a far larger group of potential goalies to look at and if SM does want to leave (and he has every right to stay) he would've had far more chance in getting in at another club.
Did DC somehow think SM was going to discover the elixir of youth over the summer?
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