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Post by Somerset Blue on Jul 22, 2015 14:14:25 GMT
Blast ..
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Post by brisgas123 on Jul 22, 2015 14:23:38 GMT
I'd prefer to get Dawson in. DC has already said he's getting neither of them anyway.
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Post by stevek192 on Jul 22, 2015 15:21:12 GMT
The thing I fail to understand is how two players can have such a big influence on a lot of supporters but were not seemingly wanted by DC. What is more important a) Performances on the pitch b) performances in training. I personally feel we have lost out on two players and personally think there is more to this than DC is telling people and could well be down to wages. We were told there would be 4 or 5 signings and that was before we lost Monkhouse and Balanta. All we have seen is Clarke,Lines and Montana.
I really feel that we need to make a good start or we will be in for a struggle again. We cannot underestimate the difference in standard between Conferance and League 2.Whilst I have faith in DC I am not yet taken in by the signings so far as we have too many unknowns ie Will Taylor score in League 2? Will Ellis really be as big an influnce in League 2-I am not convinced. I have great hopes of Montana, i am not so convinced of Lines,Mansell and Sinclair dominating midfield at this level.
I feel a minimum of 3 League 2 experienced standard players (Winger, Striker, strong Central midfielder ) are required and before we start the season.
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Post by Bath Gas on Jul 22, 2015 15:30:32 GMT
I think DC said at the forum that there were off field issues, LDV was OK at home, but some probs away. Mainly dealt with by senior players in the squad, with DC having to step in on one occasion - maybe when LDV didn't see why he had to wear a club suit?
I trust DC's judgement on this, as he did well last season in getting players with the right attitude.
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Post by matealotblue on Jul 22, 2015 15:34:15 GMT
The thing I fail to understand is how two players can have such a big influence on a lot of supporters but were not seemingly wanted by DC. What is more important a) Performances on the pitch b) performances in training. I personally feel we have lost out on two players and personally think there is more to this than DC is telling people and could well be down to wages. We were told there would be 4 or 5 signings and that was before we lost Monkhouse and Balanta. All we have seen is Clarke,Lines and Montana. I really feel that we need to make a good start or we will be in for a struggle again. We cannot underestimate the difference in standard between Conferance and League 2.Whilst I have faith in DC I am not yet taken in by the signings so far as we have too many unknowns ie Will Taylor score in League 2? Will Ellis really be as big an influnce in League 2-I am not convinced. I have great hopes of Montana, i am not so convinced of Lines,Mansell and Sinclair dominating midfield at this level. I feel a minimum of 3 League 2 experienced standard players (Winger, Striker, strong Central midfielder ) are required and before we start the season. Because supporters don't live in the world where there is a finite budget and players expectations to deal with. Would suggest CL was a large proportion of his budget and thus likely determined who he did/did not get in after that. Whilst also leaving a bit over to deal with loans etc as the season progresses. |
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Post by Gregory Stevens on Jul 22, 2015 16:25:40 GMT
Trust in doc but heartbroken. Best winger I'd seen for a good while here, sorry to say but superior to Dawson in sheer ability to run rings around full backs.
Actually spoke to him on home game when he got m o m and seemed ok, standard footballer, but as said already, football is more than pitch.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Jul 22, 2015 17:33:51 GMT
I'm disappointed, but he was always going to find another club.
Can't blame him for picking one that seemingly has an abundance of funds. He'll see it as progress and ambition, good luck to him.
But we lost out on his playing potential for his attitude (apparently), well who would know unless was there? I just hope we don't live to regret it, because he seemed to like it here and vice versa.
Anyway, if we played Fleetwood, he would never get past Lee Brown, so in DC we trust.. :-)
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Post by brizzle on Jul 22, 2015 17:37:56 GMT
I think DC said at the forum that there were off field issues, LDV was OK at home, but some probs away. Mainly dealt with by senior players in the squad, with DC having to step in on one occasion - maybe when LDV didn't see why he had to wear a club suit? I trust DC's judgement on this, as he did well last season in getting players with the right attitude. I'm quite certain that I've seen the manager quoted as saying recently that there was an attitude problem with LDV. If, as an example any player objected to wearing a club suit, then I'm not surprised that the manager had doubts about signing that player. But the bottom line must be the managers ability to judge a players character as well as his on-field ability, he and he alone can do that. |
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Post by irishrover on Jul 22, 2015 17:59:59 GMT
The thing I fail to understand is how two players can have such a big influence on a lot of supporters but were not seemingly wanted by DC. What is more important a) Performances on the pitch b) performances in training. I personally feel we have lost out on two players and personally think there is more to this than DC is telling people and could well be down to wages. We were told there would be 4 or 5 signings and that was before we lost Monkhouse and Balanta. All we have seen is Clarke,Lines and Montana. I really feel that we need to make a good start or we will be in for a struggle again. We cannot underestimate the difference in standard between Conferance and League 2.Whilst I have faith in DC I am not yet taken in by the signings so far as we have too many unknowns ie Will Taylor score in League 2? Will Ellis really be as big an influnce in League 2-I am not convinced. I have great hopes of Montana, i am not so convinced of Lines,Mansell and Sinclair dominating midfield at this level. I feel a minimum of 3 League 2 experienced standard players (Winger, Striker, strong Central midfielder ) are required and before we start the season. Partly because what supporters want and what the team actually needs are not necessarily the same thing. Supporters like wingers because they tend to be exciting, do unexpected things and be eye catching and relentlessly attacking but they also tend to be baffled when they don't deliver that every week. It's where the drivel comes from about 'mercurial' wingers. I think the average manager would take a Monkhouse type player over someone like LDV or Dawson 99 times out of 100 because they're more consistent, more reliable, more flexible and easy to fit into the structure of the team and not so reliant on the tempo and performance of others in the team in order to be effective. I saw Dawson play 4 times, in 2 of those games he looked good (particularly Kidderminster away) and in 2 of those games he looked awful (particularly Macclesfield away). I saw Monkhouse play 10-12 times and in all of those games I thought he was decent and did a quietly good job at both ends of the pitch without providing 'off the edge of your seat' moments. So much of whether an LDV/Dawson type player is effective relies on how the teams are set up. If the opposition sits back, drags it's wide midfielder back and starves an attacking wide player of space and possession they can disappear from the game very easily. On the other hand if they are pushing up or if the full back is a weak link and low on confidence they can look like the best player in the league without really having to do that much. Wingers are peculiarly both overrated and over criticised. I've lost count of the number of times Rovers fans have been really excited by a winger only to be disproportionately disapointed when he didn't have the impact that was expected. I can reel them off; Michael Meaker, Ryan Williams, Lewis Haldane, Ali Gibb, Andy Sandell, Mustapha Carayol (who was flipping murdered for a while before people realised how good he was), Joe Anyinsah, Ellis Harrison. All these guys have at various points been talked up only to not live up to unrealistic expectations and take a shoeing for being 'inconsistent' and having 'bad attitude'. It comes with the territory and has very little to do with the relative merits of those players. It's just the nature of the position when played in that way - depending on the stage of the game and how each side is set up sometimes they will look an absolute world beater and sometimes you'll barely notice they are on the pitch. |
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Post by Gregory Stevens on Jul 22, 2015 18:08:43 GMT
Good post above....Joe Anyinsah....much maligned but baffled when he left, one of the few players in that dreadful set who could make something happen. Might have stayed up if we kept him.
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Post by Igitur on Jul 22, 2015 18:22:08 GMT
Good post above....Joe Anyinsah....much maligned but baffled when he left, one of the few players in that dreadful set who could make something happen. Might have stayed up if we kept him.
Sadly as soon as he knew clubs were interested in him he seemed to try so hard to avoid injury that he hardly contributed to games.
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Post by Royal Blue on Jul 22, 2015 18:58:12 GMT
Good post above....Joe Anyinsah....much maligned but baffled when he left, one of the few players in that dreadful set who could make something happen. Might have stayed up if we kept him. The problem with Anyinsah was that his hamstrings were made of tooth floss and pulled when he so much as started jogging. Lovely bloke who enjoyed his football, he just no longer had the tools to be able to do what he used to. There were flashes of skill to get people excited, but nothing consistent. In regard LDV, people can crow all they like about how skilful LDV was - and I liked him too - but people need to remember DC is a stickler for both talent and attitude. If they don't fit into the team and don't have the right character, they won't be a permanent member of the squad. End of. It has served us well so far and I absolutely don't want that to change, even if it means a crowd-pleaser like LDV is not signed. Good luck to him, but let's worry about the players DC does trust to do a job for us. It never ceases to amaze me how hung up certain people get on loanees who do alright for a month. Other players do exist. |
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Post by Henbury Gas on Jul 22, 2015 19:14:01 GMT
The thing I fail to understand is how two players can have such a big influence on a lot of supporters but were not seemingly wanted by DC. What is more important a) Performances on the pitch b) performances in training. I personally feel we have lost out on two players and personally think there is more to this than DC is telling people and could well be down to wages. We were told there would be 4 or 5 signings and that was before we lost Monkhouse and Balanta. All we have seen is Clarke,Lines and Montana. I really feel that we need to make a good start or we will be in for a struggle again. We cannot underestimate the difference in standard between Conferance and League 2.Whilst I have faith in DC I am not yet taken in by the signings so far as we have too many unknowns ie Will Taylor score in League 2? Will Ellis really be as big an influnce in League 2-I am not convinced. I have great hopes of Montana, i am not so convinced of Lines,Mansell and Sinclair dominating midfield at this level. I feel a minimum of 3 League 2 experienced standard players (Winger, Striker, strong Central midfielder ) are required and before we start the season. Based on what i watched last night and for what people have told me about the other pre season games, i think we are going to struggle in this league this season Sorry to say that but without the investment like other teams in this Div we are always going to struggle |
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Post by brisgas123 on Jul 22, 2015 20:44:50 GMT
The thing I fail to understand is how two players can have such a big influence on a lot of supporters but were not seemingly wanted by DC. What is more important a) Performances on the pitch b) performances in training. I personally feel we have lost out on two players and personally think there is more to this than DC is telling people and could well be down to wages. We were told there would be 4 or 5 signings and that was before we lost Monkhouse and Balanta. All we have seen is Clarke,Lines and Montana. I really feel that we need to make a good start or we will be in for a struggle again. We cannot underestimate the difference in standard between Conferance and League 2.Whilst I have faith in DC I am not yet taken in by the signings so far as we have too many unknowns ie Will Taylor score in League 2? Will Ellis really be as big an influnce in League 2-I am not convinced. I have great hopes of Montana, i am not so convinced of Lines,Mansell and Sinclair dominating midfield at this level. I feel a minimum of 3 League 2 experienced standard players (Winger, Striker, strong Central midfielder ) are required and before we start the season. and for what people have told me about the other pre season games, i think we are going to struggle in this league this season Sorry to say that but without the investment like other teams in this Div we are always going to struggle What game were you watching? We controlled most of the first half against a Championship team and competed in the second. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2015 22:13:04 GMT
The thing I fail to understand is how two players can have such a big influence on a lot of supporters but were not seemingly wanted by DC. What is more important a) Performances on the pitch b) performances in training. I personally feel we have lost out on two players and personally think there is more to this than DC is telling people and could well be down to wages. We were told there would be 4 or 5 signings and that was before we lost Monkhouse and Balanta. All we have seen is Clarke,Lines and Montana. I really feel that we need to make a good start or we will be in for a struggle again. We cannot underestimate the difference in standard between Conferance and League 2.Whilst I have faith in DC I am not yet taken in by the signings so far as we have too many unknowns ie Will Taylor score in League 2? Will Ellis really be as big an influnce in League 2-I am not convinced. I have great hopes of Montana, i am not so convinced of Lines,Mansell and Sinclair dominating midfield at this level. I feel a minimum of 3 League 2 experienced standard players (Winger, Striker, strong Central midfielder ) are required and before we start the season. youve stated your case several times with regards to more signings,,,but i still believe were like most promoted teams in that were not quite sure how our players will perform at the next level,,just like bournemouth and bristol city. i think the manager badly wanted lines and is saving the rest of his budget for a loan depending on how things go? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2015 22:17:49 GMT
The thing I fail to understand is how two players can have such a big influence on a lot of supporters but were not seemingly wanted by DC. What is more important a) Performances on the pitch b) performances in training. I personally feel we have lost out on two players and personally think there is more to this than DC is telling people and could well be down to wages. We were told there would be 4 or 5 signings and that was before we lost Monkhouse and Balanta. All we have seen is Clarke,Lines and Montana. I really feel that we need to make a good start or we will be in for a struggle again. We cannot underestimate the difference in standard between Conferance and League 2.Whilst I have faith in DC I am not yet taken in by the signings so far as we have too many unknowns ie Will Taylor score in League 2? Will Ellis really be as big an influnce in League 2-I am not convinced. I have great hopes of Montana, i am not so convinced of Lines,Mansell and Sinclair dominating midfield at this level. I feel a minimum of 3 League 2 experienced standard players (Winger, Striker, strong Central midfielder ) are required and before we start the season. Based on what i watched last night and for what people have told me about the other pre season games, i think we are going to struggle in this league this season Sorry to say that but without the investment like other teams in this Div we are always going to struggle we have signed 3 though plus easter late last season,,,your opinion is what? bottom third of the league? |
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Post by nickchippenhamgas on Jul 23, 2015 5:35:19 GMT
The thing I fail to understand is how two players can have such a big influence on a lot of supporters but were not seemingly wanted by DC. What is more important a) Performances on the pitch b) performances in training. I personally feel we have lost out on two players and personally think there is more to this than DC is telling people and could well be down to wages. We were told there would be 4 or 5 signings and that was before we lost Monkhouse and Balanta. All we have seen is Clarke,Lines and Montana. I really feel that we need to make a good start or we will be in for a struggle again. We cannot underestimate the difference in standard between Conferance and League 2.Whilst I have faith in DC I am not yet taken in by the signings so far as we have too many unknowns ie Will Taylor score in League 2? Will Ellis really be as big an influnce in League 2-I am not convinced. I have great hopes of Montana, i am not so convinced of Lines,Mansell and Sinclair dominating midfield at this level. I feel a minimum of 3 League 2 experienced standard players (Winger, Striker, strong Central midfielder ) are required and before we start the season. It's all about opinion of course, but I think we've got a cracking midfield myself, and not sure about Chris Lines in league 2? Really? I think he's going to be one of the players of the season for us, should he stay fit of course. i trust DC to get the right player in, with the right attitude to playing for our club, if he doesn't want to sign a player that's fine by me, I think we've got quality in our squad, not quantity at the moment, there's still a few weeks before we can really judge how much quality we really have, just for the record: the gas will finish 3rd!!!! (Now this is a post for someone to bring back to haunt me next May!!!) |
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Post by nsgas on Jul 23, 2015 7:24:24 GMT
He's gone to a League 1 club, so there's not much likelihood that he would have come here even if we'd made him an offer. On that basis I think we can stop worrying about it!
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Post by Alveston Gas on Jul 23, 2015 17:30:09 GMT
If you saw Dawson at Macclesfield in possibly the worst cameo substitute performance I have ever seen - well go on then Alex Wall at Torquay was crap too - but you get my drift, no wonder we didn't sign him. As for LDV, my guess Fleetwood paying him a decent L1 wage rather than our ability to pay just a bit more than the Minimum Wage!
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Post by LPGas on Jul 23, 2015 19:01:11 GMT
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