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Post by fanatical on May 30, 2015 8:52:59 GMT
Correct! Even if Lansdown sold City and bought us, every single one of us would still support Rovers. You may not like it, you may not go to watch, you may spend every Saturday afternoon moaning about it online - but you would still support the club you love! Absolutely bang on there mate and understand it personally, haven't been to watch them since Landsdowne moved them to Trashton and neither will I be going but doesn't stop me wanting Bristol Rugby to be successful. I understand the one eyed Bristol Rovers fans attitude to the rugby team (because of the one eyed view Bristol Rugby supporters have towards the Gas) plus the additional connection with Landsdowne and how they won't wish it any success but like to Rovers my loyalty will always remain with the club I grew up watching as a young man at the Memorial Ground. I've already had a few close Rovers mates question why I would support anything connected with Landsdowne but I'm not supporting him, he's not getting a penny from me which means I'll probably not see them play in Bristol again but I can live with that. Real support is financial
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Post by Bridgeman on May 30, 2015 9:05:31 GMT
That you can still be loyal to your team despite those who own and run it ? Fair point BM, however that assumes negative comments are coming from people who have some kind of affiliation with Bristol rugby. I was ambivalant, but now have a reason not to support them in any way. I don't really understand your view about having a reason not to support Bristol Rugby because their fans have made negative comments about their rugby club ? I mean there are plenty of Bristol Rovers supporters who make negative comments about their club, are you suggesting that's a reason not to support their football club ?
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Post by PeterHooper57 on May 30, 2015 9:13:43 GMT
Bristol RFC allowed themslves / sold themeslves to the devil. And now they are playing in red, what the **** is that about ? I laughed when Worcester came back to beat Lansdown RFC, what a couple of weeks UTG
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Post by Bridgeman on May 30, 2015 9:16:26 GMT
Absolutely bang on there mate and understand it personally, haven't been to watch them since Landsdowne moved them to Trashton and neither will I be going but doesn't stop me wanting Bristol Rugby to be successful. I understand the one eyed Bristol Rovers fans attitude to the rugby team (because of the one eyed view Bristol Rugby supporters have towards the Gas) plus the additional connection with Landsdowne and how they won't wish it any success but like to Rovers my loyalty will always remain with the club I grew up watching as a young man at the Memorial Ground. I've already had a few close Rovers mates question why I would support anything connected with Landsdowne but I'm not supporting him, he's not getting a penny from me which means I'll probably not see them play in Bristol again but I can live with that. Real support is financial That assumes that Bristol Rovers have a lot less supporters than we consider we have in that case. If you're a young child or young person, a young couple who have just got married and buying their first home, someone on benefits, someone who lives in another part of the country or another part of the world etc who doesn't have the financial means to attend games or buy merchandise are not supporters ?
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Post by womble on May 30, 2015 9:21:24 GMT
That's was a strange action by Malcolm Pearce then as it was Geoff Dunford who asked him to step in and save the rugby club after Arthur Holmes sold their ground and put them into administration. Well, whether Geoff Dunford's involvement in that is true or not it doesn't change the fact that Pearce spent most of his time as Chairman firing potshots at Rovers and saying that the Bristol 2 football clubs should merge and play at Ashton Gate. In any case Pearce is not forgiven for his involvement in the Eastville business. The guy has manouevered several times to put Bristol Rovers in dire straits - no time at all for him. If I remember correctly, Malcolm Pearce was at one point trying to get Geoff Dunford to give him (well the rugby club) 50% of the ground, in exchange for him building a 7,000 seater stand in place of the East Stand. GD wisely ignored him. I believe Pearce also suggested moving Bristol to Oxford at one point.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2015 9:38:37 GMT
Bristol RFC allowed themslves / sold themeslves to the devil. And now they are playing in red, what the **** is that about ? I laughed when Worcester came back to beat Lansdown RFC, what a couple of weeks UTG By all means laugh at Lansdown getting his fingers burned and being taught that money can't always buy you success, but the victims here are the Briz supporters, soon the name will be as hollow and detatched from the origins and history of the club as Man City.
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Post by dagnogo on May 30, 2015 9:39:04 GMT
[/quote]Real support is financial [/quote]
That's possibly the most depressing sentence I've read.
Especially when so many are priced out of sport by unaffordable ticket prices and TV subscription rip offs.
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Post by bs14gas on May 30, 2015 9:40:52 GMT
I suspect many negative comments come from non rugby fans who are happy to see Bristol sport fail (in whatever way). I watch six nations but nothing else so don't count myself as a rugby fan. While Bristol rugby were at the mem, I had a soft spot and would like to see them succeed. Now they are part of Bristol sport playing at AG, I find it amusing if they fail, but honestly didnt give it more than a passing thought.
As for supporters/fans, if you don't provide any income to a club you are not supporting them. Providing the club with income is what 'supporter' means, that income can be gate money, or official merchandise, prize draws, helpline etc - you don't have to attend games. However, If you do neither then you 'follow' or have a soft spot for a club.
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Post by dagnogo on May 30, 2015 9:45:01 GMT
I suspect many negative comments come from non rugby fans who are happy to see Bristol sport fail (in whatever way). I watch six nations but nothing else so don't count myself as a rugby fan. While Bristol rugby were at the mem, I had a soft spot and would like to see them succeed. Now they are part of Bristol sport playing at AG, I find it amusing if they fail, but honestly didnt give it more than a passing thought. As for supporters/fans, if you don't provide any income to a club you are not supporting them. Providing the club with income is what 'supporter' means, that income can be gate money, or official merchandise, prize draws, helpline etc - you don't have to attend games. However, If you do neither then you 'follow' or have a soft spot for a club. Re Bristol - I agree. Never loved them, went once or twice with mates but was never a supporter or cared that much. I had a good old chuckle when they lost but I'd not have lost sleep if they'd won. As for money equalling support I couldn't disagree more. Think of how many kids who watch football on terrestrial TV and follow a Prem side, whose parents can't afford Sky let alone a £40 replica kit or the price of tickets and travel. Are they not supporters? Should we rank whose the best fan by money spent? If you've got a ST in the West Stand are you a bettet Gashead than one in the Blackthorn because your ticket is more pricey?
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Post by Bridgeman on May 30, 2015 9:58:47 GMT
Bristol RFC allowed themslves / sold themeslves to the devil. And now they are playing in red, what the **** is that about ? I laughed when Worcester came back to beat Lansdown RFC, what a couple of weeks UTG Well I certainly understand how you feel, although I wasn't laughing about the result but if Bristol Rugby are not your team then I couldn't expect you to feel any different.
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Post by kingswood Polak on May 30, 2015 10:01:50 GMT
I am no fan of GD but he saved the Rugby and also made sure either club could buy the others shares. For a nominal fee and that worked both ways Are you sure that it was Geoff who put that clause into the contract? That is my understanding of it BG but, as always, I could be wrong .
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Post by kingswood Polak on May 30, 2015 10:02:48 GMT
Makes sense to me. Probably (one of the reasons) why he's a billionaire and I'm not! Just heard he has sent Andy Robinson to Hallen AFC to save them from folding He gave Robs some loose change towards the rent money That un made I laugh, a lot. Nice one Mike.
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Post by bs14gas on May 30, 2015 10:03:38 GMT
Its not about 'how much' you spend, just that you do in whatever way you can, provide income for a club.
If you do nothing other than follow results then you 'follow' or have a soft spot for a club. What is the defining line between a supporter and everyone else otherwise?
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Post by dagnogo on May 30, 2015 10:08:24 GMT
Its not about 'how much' you spend, just that you do in whatever way you can, provide income for a club. If you do nothing other than follow results then you 'follow' or have a soft spot for a club. What is the defining line between a supporter and everyone else otherwise? What if you can't do anything? I don't think we need definitions.
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Post by Topper Gas on May 30, 2015 10:23:42 GMT
Well, whether Geoff Dunford's involvement in that is true or not it doesn't change the fact that Pearce spent most of his time as Chairman firing potshots at Rovers and saying that the Bristol 2 football clubs should merge and play at Ashton Gate. In any case Pearce is not forgiven for his involvement in the Eastville business. The guy has manouevered several times to put Bristol Rovers in dire straits - no time at all for him. If I remember correctly, Malcolm Pearce was at one point trying to get Geoff Dunford to give him (well the rugby club) 50% of the ground, in exchange for him building a 7,000 seater stand in place of the East Stand. GD wisely ignored him. I believe Pearce also suggested moving Bristol to Oxford at one point. Not sure it was so wise a move, whilst we would have lost equity in the ground we would have gained a new stand, as it is we may well finish up with the old stands and also in administration, if the Sainsbury's judgement goes against us. With a new East Stand and an extended West Stand we would have a fairly reasonable ground, if we could have also financed a new small South Stand.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2015 10:30:36 GMT
If I remember correctly, Malcolm Pearce was at one point trying to get Geoff Dunford to give him (well the rugby club) 50% of the ground, in exchange for him building a 7,000 seater stand in place of the East Stand. GD wisely ignored him. I believe Pearce also suggested moving Bristol to Oxford at one point. Not sure it was so wise a move, whilst we would have lost equity in the ground we would have gained a new stand, as it is we may well finish up with the old stands and also in administration, if the Sainsbury's judgement goes against us. With a new East Stand and an extended West Stand we would have a fairly reasonable ground, if we could have also financed a new small South Stand. We need to wait and see how Judy views things and if we win, what will Sainsbury's do next, but if it all slips through our fingers, rather than look at what could have happened the best part of 20 years ago, shouldn't we look towards the Chairman who will have had 2 fully funded stadium plans fail?
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Post by Henbury Gas on May 30, 2015 11:05:44 GMT
Its not about 'how much' you spend, just that you do in whatever way you can, provide income for a club. If you do nothing other than follow results then you 'follow' or have a soft spot for a club. What is the defining line between a supporter and everyone else otherwise? Supporter = Man love for Nick Higgs & the Board Follower = People who moan a lot about the club
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Post by Peter Parker on May 30, 2015 11:15:28 GMT
Bristol RFC allowed themslves / sold themeslves to the devil. And now they are playing in red, what the **** is that about ? I laughed when Worcester came back to beat Lansdown RFC, what a couple of weeks UTG They play in blue, but have a red.change shirt like they have in the past. If SL wants them to wear red its up to their fans to complain or accept it. I dont give a s**t
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Post by Bridgeman on May 30, 2015 11:35:57 GMT
Its not about 'how much' you spend, just that you do in whatever way you can, provide income for a club. If you do nothing other than follow results then you 'follow' or have a soft spot for a club. What is the defining line between a supporter and everyone else otherwise? Supporter = Man love for Nick Higgs & the Board Follower = People who moan a lot about the club Moaners = people who care a lot about their club and who have an opinion rather than being like cattle who'll lap up anything that is fed to them
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2015 11:47:51 GMT
If I remember correctly, Malcolm Pearce was at one point trying to get Geoff Dunford to give him (well the rugby club) 50% of the ground, in exchange for him building a 7,000 seater stand in place of the East Stand. GD wisely ignored him. I believe Pearce also suggested moving Bristol to Oxford at one point. Not sure it was so wise a move, whilst we would have lost equity in the ground we would have gained a new stand, as it is we may well finish up with the old stands and also in administration, if the Sainsbury's judgement goes against us. With a new East Stand and an extended West Stand we would have a fairly reasonable ground, if we could have also financed a new small South Stand. The most sensible thing to have done would have been to let the rugby club have half of the stadium back along with half of its debt. The UWE could have still gone ahead but without the concern about funding both before and after the build. I don't believe that Malcolm Pearce ever asked for 50% of the stadium in fact he refused to go 50/50 on a new ticketing system so he was hardly willing to get into bed over owning the ground.
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