brizzle
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Post by brizzle on May 19, 2015 16:30:03 GMT
I only compared them in the context of ''bottling it'' as per the highlighted quote. But in Harold's case it was more than acceptable to do so because he was such a good player, and we didn't want him injured, now did we. Fair comment,but it was the 'overall contribution' bit that got me,I don't think that Goslings has been great but Harolds was tremendous. I do think that some teams,probably city amongst them targeted Harold for heavy tackles.
The bottom line here is (and no disrespect intended to our present player), is that you cannot possibly compare the two. Harold Jarman is a legend, Gosling is aspiring to be so.
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Post by brisgas123 on May 19, 2015 16:52:30 GMT
Puddy will struggle much more in league 2 with his height and I feel Mildenhall is beginning to lost it. New keeper. I say keep Lockyer & Leadbitter. Parkes and McCrystal should be able to cope but I think we need more backup than Trotman. Perhaps even someone better than Parkes and McCrystal? Brown is going nowhere but I think we need a backup left back. Mansell/Lines/Sinclair should all stay. Possibly need to get more backup though. Monkhouse has no pace. He links up with Brown well but we need a pacey left winger for league 2. Gosling, in my opinion, will be completely out of his depth in league 2. Hopefully we will see Adam Dawson or LDV come back. Harrison can stay. Taylor can stay. Easter can stay. Blissett is, on some days, barely Conference quality. He will seriously struggle in league 2. I think we need to strengthen here. Team for next season. Mildenhall Leadbitter ?? Parkes/McCrystal Brown Mansell/Sinclair Lines Dawson? ?? Harrison/Easter/Taylor ??
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2015 16:57:19 GMT
Oh yes, the goals are much taller in League Two.
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Post by brisgas123 on May 19, 2015 17:06:27 GMT
Oh yes, the goals are much taller in League Two. I said that because the strikers will be on him more. He will find it harder.
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Post by markczgas on May 19, 2015 20:04:11 GMT
Let's not overlook the fact that the match day squad increases from the current 11 plus 5 subs to 11 plus 7 subs. There were games this season when we only just managed to fill the bench. The Forest Green play off bench included Jamie Lucas and while he looks one for the future it demonstrates our squad is pretty small. Lines is still a Port Vale player until a deal is sorted. We have the Beard and Easter to come back (not sure what Trotman's situation is) but in my opinion we are pretty light on numbers. I think a 7 man bench should always have at least 1 first year pro - otherwise what's the point of bringing your own players in as pros ? And what incentive /motivation is it for the scholars too !? I hope Jamie Lucas gets another 6 months /a year - and stick him on the bench - put him on if we are behind or drawing in a game and see if he can do it. if doesn't produce then release after 6 months, Don't see the sense of signing your own talent otherwise. Sadly, we haven't been able to keep the best ones in the last 12 -18 months. I've heard our best U16 has been on trial at Fulham this season - can we / will we be able to hold on to him ? going up a league may help things - let's hope so.
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Post by markczgas on May 19, 2015 20:07:28 GMT
. . . but then again so did Harold Jarman, but it didn't detract from his overall contribution to the team. Some players just don't have the ''heart'' for the rougher side of the game (as Harold didn't in fact), but they can still make outstanding contributions despite this. One of the biggest ''bottlers'' that I remember seeing was Swindon's Don Rogers, I think that Dougie Hillard used to love to play against him, one stiff tackle from Doug and the Golden Boy just disappeared for the rest of the game. George Best on the other hand could not only take it, but dish it out as well. But he was truly exceptional, in more ways than one. I never thought that I would see anyone compare Harold to Gosling,Harold great runs, great crosser of the ball and set up loads of goals,poor Gosling only has a left foot and is stuck on the right wing he has to cut inside,he slows the game down so much the other team can all get back,its hopeless,either try him on the left wing ( I think he is too slow anyway ) or let him go,and definitely let Blissett and Ollie Clark go,I liked Trotman but I think that his legs are knackered.Need a keeper,right footed centre half and let MM go,2 wingers and a centre forward...I think though that Parkes and Harrison might get offers and go and maybe Taylor. Agree pretty much with all of that Trymer. Sincerely hope Parkes and Taylor stay, fifty -fifty for me about Harrison.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2015 20:34:18 GMT
. . . but then again so did Harold Jarman, but it didn't detract from his overall contribution to the team. Some players just don't have the ''heart'' for the rougher side of the game (as Harold didn't in fact), but they can still make outstanding contributions despite this. One of the biggest ''bottlers'' that I remember seeing was Swindon's Don Rogers, I think that Dougie Hillard used to love to play against him, one stiff tackle from Doug and the Golden Boy just disappeared for the rest of the game. George Best on the other hand could not only take it, but dish it out as well. But he was truly exceptional, in more ways than one. I never thought that I would see anyone compare Harold to Gosling,Harold great runs, great crosser of the ball and set up loads of goals,poor Gosling only has a left foot and is stuck on the right wing he has to cut inside,he slows the game down so much the other team can all get back,its hopeless,either try him on the left wing ( I think he is too slow anyway ) or let him go,and definitely let Blissett and Ollie Clark go,I liked Trotman but I think that his legs are knackered.Need a keeper,right footed centre half and let MM go,2 wingers and a centre forward...I think though that Parkes and Harrison might get offers and go and maybe Taylor. olly clarke and blissett have another year to run on there contract so we cant let them go unless someone else wants them?
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Post by Bridgeman on May 19, 2015 20:55:40 GMT
Having travelled back by coach we discussed this on Sunday night whilst celebrating in an Indian Restaurant in Newport We thought as little should be changed as possible to maintain momentum, possibly put Lockyer in at centre back to replace McChrystal and Leadbetter in at right back. Retain Trotman as cover. We thought both goalie's were good enough for League 2 If we can add another winger and with Sinclair and Easter returning plus Lines and the rest of the squad we should do alright. All this depends of course on us retaining all our players, so who knows. Anyhow our evening was interupted by a group of Newport County supporters who seeing us in our colours decided to come in and congratulate us and give us a rendition of Good Night Irene but then asked to be served, there were about ten of them all in a rather merry condition Unfortunately they were then asked very firmly by the owners to leave or they would call the Police mind you this was around midnight A great day and night out
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Post by glastogas on May 20, 2015 0:19:30 GMT
Not too sure that anyone really needs to go over summer, with the exception of Balanta who has really disappointed me, definitely need another decent centre half and a quality right winger, will be interested to see what DC does about the keeper situation..Quality young loan from championship club? Mildenhall in a coaching roll? Not sure my nerves could take a whole season of Puddy in league two!
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Post by ashperry83 on May 20, 2015 5:11:10 GMT
Personally I would only be looking to move on Mildenhall and Balanta. Puddy is more than capable as a cover player if and when needed at League 2 level, but I would prefer a new first choice. I just wouldn't renew Balantas contract. I'd keep Trotman on a short term if possible. I would however look to add in the following areas:
Keeper - first choice Left back - maybe some young cover, we have none here Centre Back - I'm a believer of having 4 of these in the squad Two wide midfielders - Keep Gosling as a back up Chris Lines
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Post by faggotygas on May 20, 2015 9:15:59 GMT
Puddy will struggle much more in league 2 with his height and I feel Mildenhall is beginning to lost it. New keeper. I say keep Lockyer & Leadbitter. Parkes and McCrystal should be able to cope but I think we need more backup than Trotman. Perhaps even someone better than Parkes and McCrystal? Brown is going nowhere but I think we need a backup left back. Mansell/Lines/Sinclair should all stay. Possibly need to get more backup though. Monkhouse has no pace. He links up with Brown well but we need a pacey left winger for league 2. Gosling, in my opinion, will be completely out of his depth in league 2. Hopefully we will see Adam Dawson or LDV come back. Harrison can stay. Taylor can stay. Easter can stay. Blissett is, on some days, barely Conference quality. He will seriously struggle in league 2. I think we need to strengthen here. Team for next season. Mildenhall Leadbitter ?? Parkes/McCrystal Brown Mansell/Sinclair Lines Dawson? ?? Harrison/Easter/Taylor ?? I don't think that strikers are taller or more physical in League 2, so I'm happy enough with our keepers.
Right back - Lockyer/Ledbitter so fine Centre back - Parkes/McCrystal/Trottman/Lockyer, basically fine for league 2, could do with a youth player coming through left back - Brown, needs backup but again that should be a young player
Right midfield - recruitment required, Gosling is a fine squad player but can only go inside and so is easily found out. Bye-bye Balanta, doesn't have the desire. Centre midfield - Lines/Mansell/Sinclair/Clarke, fine for league 2 but needs an additional player to challenge. Again hopefully that would come from the youth, but recruitment of someone hungry from non-league - a Darrell Clarke speciality - is another possibility Left midfield - Monkey is fine for league 2, but a different option is needed - young and hungry please
Up front - Harrison/Taylor/Easter is good enough, I'd like to see how Blissett improves with some proper training (and I don't think we have any choice anyway), and Lucas is highly rated.
Looking forward to seeing what Clarke can come up with, I thought his success rate was very good last season considering how much he had to do in the timeframe, and where things didn't work out he dealt with the problem very quickly.
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Post by irishrover on May 20, 2015 10:10:26 GMT
We need a mobile Centre Half who is preferably right footed. I think MCchrystal could well be slowly phased out of the team. We need some more quality options outwide. Monkhouse is fine but it would be nice to be able to inject some pace on the left sometimes. The right side of midfield has been a problem all season - we need to upgrade there. We probably need a goalkeeper. If nobody else leaves then that should be fine assuming Lines signs. In an ideal world I'd let Ollie Clarke go and sign another defensive midfielder. No need to do anything drastic. This squad has a reasonable balance to it.
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Post by markczgas on May 20, 2015 10:20:37 GMT
Puddy will struggle much more in league 2 with his height and I feel Mildenhall is beginning to lost it. New keeper. I say keep Lockyer & Leadbitter. Parkes and McCrystal should be able to cope but I think we need more backup than Trotman. Perhaps even someone better than Parkes and McCrystal? Brown is going nowhere but I think we need a backup left back. Mansell/Lines/Sinclair should all stay. Possibly need to get more backup though. Monkhouse has no pace. He links up with Brown well but we need a pacey left winger for league 2. Gosling, in my opinion, will be completely out of his depth in league 2. Hopefully we will see Adam Dawson or LDV come back. Harrison can stay. Taylor can stay. Easter can stay. Blissett is, on some days, barely Conference quality. He will seriously struggle in league 2. I think we need to strengthen here. Team for next season. Mildenhall Leadbitter ?? Parkes/McCrystal Brown Mansell/Sinclair Lines Dawson? ?? Harrison/Easter/Taylor ?? I don't think that strikers are taller or more physical in League 2, so I'm happy enough with our keepers.
Right back - Lockyer/Ledbitter so fine Centre back - Parkes/McCrystal/Trottman/Lockyer, basically fine for league 2, could do with a youth player coming through left back - Brown, needs backup but again that should be a young player
Right midfield - recruitment required, Gosling is a fine squad player but can only go inside and so is easily found out. Bye-bye Balanta, doesn't have the desire. Centre midfield - Lines/Mansell/Sinclair/Clarke, fine for league 2 but needs an additional player to challenge. Again hopefully that would come from the youth, but recruitment of someone hungry from non-league - a Darrell Clarke speciality - is another possibility Left midfield - Monkey is fine for league 2, but a different option is needed - young and hungry please
Up front - Harrison/Taylor/Easter is good enough, I'd like to see how Blissett improves with some proper training (and I don't think we have any choice anyway), and Lucas is highly rated.
Looking forward to seeing what Clarke can come up with, I thought his success rate was very good last season considering how much he had to do in the timeframe, and where things didn't work out he dealt with the problem very quickly.
Blissett hasn't had any proper training since November
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Post by faggotygas on May 20, 2015 10:32:52 GMT
We need a mobile Centre Half who is preferably right footed. I think MCchrystal could well be slowly phased out of the team. We need some more quality options outwide. Monkhouse is fine but it would be nice to be able to inject some pace on the left sometimes. The right side of midfield has been a problem all season - we need to upgrade there. We probably need a goalkeeper. If nobody else leaves then that should be fine assuming Lines signs. In an ideal world I'd let Ollie Clarke go and sign another defensive midfielder. No need to do anything drastic. This squad has a reasonable balance to it. Sounds about right.
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Post by c13 on May 20, 2015 10:49:48 GMT
KEEPERS:
Both need to go; Mildy to free up wages, Puddy because he's just not FL material. Would go with a new keeper (loan maybe?) and Preston.
FULL BACKS:
Leadbitter should stay as backup, but a new RB is a necessity; not sure Lockyer would perform well in L2 out of position. Browner of course stays, and cover for him would be welcome but not as urgent, maybe a youngster?
CENTER BACKS:
Away with Trotman, both because of wages and lack of game time. Parkes, Macca and Lockyer all fighting for the top two spots, and maybe a youngster as 4th option, or a loanee later on the season.
CENTRAL MIDFIELDERS:
Lines should be signed at all costs. He'll be instrumental to us be it on the Conference or L1. Mansell and Sinclair also are very much well-deserving of their spots, probably well enough on the middle without worrying too much. And PLEASE, out with Ollie Clarke. He's been too lost for too long.
WIDE MIDFIELDERS:
Out with Balanta, for obvious reasons. Monkhouse stays, but probably isn't going to cut it for all games, so another left winger for rotation is a must. Gosling I'm not sure about, but don't see what we have to lose by keeping him as backup, he's still somewhat young. As for a first choice right winger, I say give Baggie a chance at least until January or so.
CENTER FORWARDS:
Keep Harrison, Taylor and Easter to fight for the first team spots, and have a somewhat proven striker on loan as cover in case all of them fail. Blissett, thanks for the memories but your job is done.
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Post by kernowgas on May 20, 2015 16:10:06 GMT
KEEPERS: Both need to go; Mildy to free up wages, Puddy because he's just not FL material. Would go with a new keeper (loan maybe?) and Preston. FULL BACKS: Leadbitter should stay as backup, but a new RB is a necessity; not sure Lockyer would perform well in L2 out of position. Browner of course stays, and cover for him would be welcome but not as urgent, maybe a youngster? CENTER BACKS: Away with Trotman, both because of wages and lack of game time. Parkes, Macca and Lockyer all fighting for the top two spots, and maybe a youngster as 4th option, or a loanee later on the season. CENTRAL MIDFIELDERS: Lines should be signed at all costs. He'll be instrumental to us be it on the Conference or L1. Mansell and Sinclair also are very much well-deserving of their spots, probably well enough on the middle without worrying too much. And PLEASE, out with Ollie Clarke. He's been too lost for too long. WIDE MIDFIELDERS: Out with Balanta, for obvious reasons. Monkhouse stays, but probably isn't going to cut it for all games, so another left winger for rotation is a must. Gosling I'm not sure about, but don't see what we have to lose by keeping him as backup, he's still somewhat young. As for a first choice right winger, I say give Baggie a chance at least until January or so. CENTER FORWARDS: Keep Harrison, Taylor and Easter to fight for the first team spots, and have a somewhat proven striker on loan as cover in case all of them fail. Blissett, thanks for the memories but your job is done. We have Danny Greenslade still on the books and would be good cover for Browner....I watched him play on loan at Truro City this year as a left sided midfielder....good in the tackle and a sweet left foot....just like Jamie Lucas he is one for the future and ideal for the bench next season!
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