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Post by onedaytheuwe on Apr 15, 2015 19:48:56 GMT
Spoke to a Barnet mate ( just) and asked the question above the Hive ground. Although: he thought it could be 'signed off ' . It is far from clear and it is surrounded in if and buts. As I understand Harrow council agreed some time ago but it was never formally signed. Therefore: the club would need to comply with cpz terms as well as funding additional work to meet standards. It could be left to a Harrow planning officer to view site : make recommendations to council. So I am pretty sure this hasn't been confirmed or 'signed off' and even consulted with the Greens locally ( aka Trash). So have Harrow council agreed the stadium can be used for professional or football leauge games Any updates plz or recent news
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Post by CountyGroundHotel on Apr 15, 2015 20:02:56 GMT
Sure this will be of more interest to Cheltenham fans as if there is a problem it won't be resolved until after the play-offs & I'm sure the football league will stick with the second bottom team over unravelling who deserves the second spot from the Conference.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2015 20:03:18 GMT
I dont understand what this has to do with us apart from the word promotion in the title. Forgive me if im wrong but putting two and two together, are you saying that issues with their ground may stop their promotion if they get promoted? Edit: After seeing the comment above and below, I understand the thread now and is pleased I got two and two together correct
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Post by Curly Wurly on Apr 15, 2015 20:06:14 GMT
I think this is a bit of a hardy perennial with Barnet fans and one that some of them get pretty touchy about. As anyone who went there knows, it is a pretty neat little stadium and there are far worse housing league football currently - so this is not the issue. As I understand it the club lease the ground from Harrow Council and the current terms of the lease do not specifically allow for League football to be played at the ground. In preparation for the move from Underhill to the Hive, I understand negotiations on this matter had commenced, but were not concluded due to Barnet's relegation from L2. My reading of it is that revision of the terms of the lease are pretty much a formality, but that it would have to be done. The Barnet Cahirman is pretty influential and I would be very surprised if the required negotiations have not already taken place in the event that the club get promoted.
A recent post on their forum summarises the situation as far as I can see:
"Re: Playing league football at the Hive
Postby kingpinfid ยป 12 Apr 2015, 21:43 The point is that Harrow Council will need to agree to varying the terms of the lease, in order to allow us to play league football at the Hive. The Council agreed to do so previously, but this was never formally signed off, because we were relegated.
In all probability the Council will sign this off if / when we are promoted. But this is not a foregone conclusion, because local authorities have a habit of changing their mind and in case anyone has forgot, there was a planning enforcement matter that could have created bad blood between the parties.
It's a very valid question" [to ask whether the situation had been resolved].
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2015 20:08:00 GMT
Non-issue. The idea that the ground can't be used for "professional" football is hardly going to stand up in court if challenged given that the ground has already hosted several professional teams this season.
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Post by Curly Wurly on Apr 15, 2015 20:15:32 GMT
Non-issue. The idea that the ground can't be used for "professional" football is hardly going to stand up in court if challenged given that the ground has already hosted several professional teams this season. You are right that it is a bit of a non-issue and will, in all likelihood be resolved when required. I understand it is a specific issue about "League" football rather than "Professional" football. Also it is in the control of the local authority who are the owners to grant or deny permission. Of course the constraint is pretty ludicrous when Grimsby and ourselves (and possibly others in this league) will take more fans to the Hive than many/most teams in L2. It's worrying that this could have the same effect of Wycombe's "3rd party ownership" debacle that made fools out of all of us last year. Let's win the last 2 games and hope they slip up so that it is none of our concern.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2015 21:13:43 GMT
Non-issue. The idea that the ground can't be used for "professional" football is hardly going to stand up in court if challenged given that the ground has already hosted several professional teams this season. You are right that it is a bit of a non-issue and will, in all likelihood be resolved when required. I understand it is a specific issue about "League" football rather than "Professional" football. Also it is in the control of the local authority who are the owners to grant or deny permission. Of course the constraint is pretty ludicrous when Grimsby and ourselves (and possibly others in this league) will take more fans to the Hive than many/most teams in L2. It's worrying that this could have the same effect of Wycombe's "3rd party ownership" debacle that made fools out of all of us last year. Let's win the last 2 games and hope they slip up so that it is none of our concern. Fully agree with you and if we don't finish first we need to win the play offs, would hate us just to be given a position, but should Barnet not be allowed to go up also think that the team finishing 2nd bottom gets to stay up and winners of play offs get to go up. We have to do this the right way, come on Kidderminster, surprise us all!
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Post by mehewmagic on Apr 16, 2015 0:28:38 GMT
oh God is this 'wycombe dodgy dealings gate' again?
a.k.a. clutching at tiny, tiny, miniscule straws-gate
We'll be picking fag butts off the floor next and smoking them
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Post by Bridgeman on Apr 16, 2015 0:31:46 GMT
oh God is this 'wycombe dodgy dealings gate' again? a.k.a. clutching at tiny, tiny, miniscule straws-gate We'll be picking fag butts off the floor next and smoking them I hope not, I hate clutching at tiny, tiny miniscule straws
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Post by mehewmagic on Apr 16, 2015 0:45:29 GMT
oh God is this 'wycombe dodgy dealings gate' again? a.k.a. clutching at tiny, tiny, miniscule straws-gate We'll be picking fag butts off the floor next and smoking them I hope not, I hate clutching at tiny, tiny miniscule straws put it away then and go to bed
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Post by Bridgeman on Apr 16, 2015 0:54:19 GMT
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Post by beesknees on Apr 16, 2015 1:23:41 GMT
Non-issue. The idea that the ground can't be used for "professional" football is hardly going to stand up in court if challenged given that the ground has already hosted several professional teams this season. I guess this is the key. The lease says the Hive is not to be used for professional football matches and then in the definitions states professional football matches are competitive matches of league two and above in the football league. This is really a completely unsustainable clause and both sides know it. An agreement was reached at a full council meeting that the lease would be changed for an initial 10 years as and when it was required providing all outstanding planning conditions have been met (basically some trees needed planting) and the council officer is happy with the parking and access arrangements (our chairman agreed to meet the costs of a CPZ if it was necessary). As far as I can tell everyone is playing nice because they'd rather it didn't get messy, especially as the council already owe the club 200-300k for an unlawful planning refusal that the club haven't yet asked for (if the council got difficult then I'm sure our owner would ask for the money)
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Post by Bridgeman on Apr 16, 2015 1:41:43 GMT
Non-issue. The idea that the ground can't be used for "professional" football is hardly going to stand up in court if challenged given that the ground has already hosted several professional teams this season. I guess this is the key. The lease says the Hive is not to be used for professional football matches and then in the definitions states professional football matches are competitive matches of league two and above in the football league. This is really a completely unsustainable clause and both sides know it. An agreement was reached at a full council meeting that the lease would be changed for an initial 10 years as and when it was required providing all outstanding planning conditions have been met (basically some trees needed planting) and the council officer is happy with the parking and access arrangements (our chairman agreed to meet the costs of a CPZ if it was necessary). As far as I can tell everyone is playing nice because they'd rather it didn't get messy, especially as the council already owe the club 200-300k for an unlawful planning refusal that the club haven't yet asked for (if the council got difficult then I'm sure our owner would ask for the money) Sounds like you have them over a barrel by the sound of it, lets hope it is all resolved amicably between you all then. I think Stevenage were the last team refused entry to the League because of ground conditions and one of the League 2 teams had a stay of 'execution' to the Conference, lets hope that doesn't happen to you if you stay top
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Post by CabbagePatchBlues on Apr 16, 2015 4:29:07 GMT
oh God is this 'wycombe dodgy dealings gate' again? a.k.a. clutching at tiny, tiny, miniscule straws-gate We'll be picking fag butts off the floor next and smoking them Actually, no. This has been brought up several times during the past 12 months, not only now at the business end of the season.
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Post by michaelb on Apr 16, 2015 7:22:53 GMT
Non-issue. The idea that the ground can't be used for "professional" football is hardly going to stand up in court if challenged given that the ground has already hosted several professional teams this season. I guess this is the key. The lease says the Hive is not to be used for professional football matches and then in the definitions states professional football matches are competitive matches of league two and above in the football league. This is really a completely unsustainable clause and both sides know it. An agreement was reached at a full council meeting that the lease would be changed for an initial 10 years as and when it was required providing all outstanding planning conditions have been met (basically some trees needed planting) and the council officer is happy with the parking and access arrangements (our chairman agreed to meet the costs of a CPZ if it was necessary). As far as I can tell everyone is playing nice because they'd rather it didn't get messy, especially as the council already owe the club 200-300k for an unlawful planning refusal that the club haven't yet asked for (if the council got difficult then I'm sure our owner would ask for the money) In all honesty, footballing loyalties aside. If Barnet win the league and after being as good as top all season would any football fan take pleasure in them being denied ? after all its not like they cheated
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Post by Topper Gas on Apr 16, 2015 7:26:27 GMT
TBH I'd take anything to get out of the Conference this summer! Although this issue looks a non starter.
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Post by milesy1983 on Apr 16, 2015 7:57:09 GMT
Here we go again!! Lets just worry about our next 2 games
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Post by footballleague on Apr 16, 2015 9:50:44 GMT
TBH I'd take anything to get out of the Conference this summer! Although this issue looks a non starter. Definatley is a non starter, the hive was built and ready for football league, if Barnet hadn't been relegated they were still moving to The Hive. It was being prepared for Football League action in time for the 2013-14 season.....
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2015 13:41:10 GMT
TBH I'd take anything to get out of the Conference this summer! Although this issue looks a non starter. Definatley is a non starter, the hive was built and ready for football league, if Barnet hadn't been relegated they were still moving to The Hive. It was being prepared for Football League action in time for the 2013-14 season..... is that why you picked that user name?
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Post by lulworthgas on Apr 16, 2015 13:51:08 GMT
Not our issue and has no effect over our club. If they are refused planning then it will be a league club that stays up, with 1 joining from the conference.
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