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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2015 21:24:33 GMT
Is it a wind up page? "No game again for the Gas today, so off to see local side Mendip United!" They're all Sheeds at that club! Nope, I know the guy that has sent it up. Top bloke and genuine Gashead.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2015 23:57:14 GMT
Excellent stuff I dragged my mate and her girlfriend along to Nuneaton the other week and they had a great time. What wasn't so great was hearing some old dinosaur behind us come out with some toe curlingly embarrassing homophobic abuse of the home side's goalie based on the colour of his kit (pink). It's not especially nice anyway but hearing it while in the company of people who've had to put up with this kind of unthinking prejudice all their lives makes it even more sad. I wish them success i might as well be the one who writes the joke that everyone is thinking... well,at least you got a threesome out of it on a sunday night They're lesbians in a committed relationship, my chances are slim to say the least even if I was in the habit of shagging my mates
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2015 6:41:12 GMT
Excellent stuff I dragged my mate and her girlfriend along to Nuneaton the other week and they had a great time. What wasn't so great was hearing some old dinosaur behind us come out with some toe curlingly embarrassing homophobic abuse of the home side's goalie based on the colour of his kit (pink). It's not especially nice anyway but hearing it while in the company of people who've had to put up with this kind of unthinking prejudice all their lives makes it even more sad. I wish them success Old dinosaur...hmm a bit of casual ageism is ok then ?,not so PC are you ?.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Jan 25, 2015 9:32:36 GMT
Excellent stuff I dragged my mate and her girlfriend along to Nuneaton the other week and they had a great time. What wasn't so great was hearing some old dinosaur behind us come out with some toe curlingly embarrassing homophobic abuse of the home side's goalie based on the colour of his kit (pink). It's not especially nice anyway but hearing it while in the company of people who've had to put up with this kind of unthinking prejudice all their lives makes it even more sad. I wish them success Old dinosaur...hmm a bit of casual ageism is ok then ?,not so PC are you ?. Are you trying to be funny or do you genuinely think that's a decent refutation?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2015 10:05:30 GMT
Old dinosaur...hmm a bit of casual ageism is ok then ?,not so PC are you ?. Are you trying to be funny or do you genuinely think that's a decent refutation? Trying to be funny,what by pointing out that there is more than one prejudice in society ?. We live in an inclusive society now where racism,sexism,homophobia AGEISM and other forms of prejudice are or should be things of the past. The term old dinosaur is ageist and should be consigned to the dustbin of history along with spaz,flid,queer,paki etc etc....or do you disagree ?.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Jan 25, 2015 10:27:44 GMT
Well, as an old fart myself, I'm not too bothered about that one, especially as the power in society is usually held by the oldest. Otoh, eg, Ageism in the work place is important and should be avoided, of course, but that's not really the same issue as calling someone an old dinosaur for seemingly having views that belong, hopefully, to the past, and really the use of that sort of ad hominem is most pernicious when coming from the powerful and directed at the powerless (relatively speaking of course).
But, really I was thinking of your use of PC, and the idea that supporting a LGBT group is somehow PC. I imagine that comes from the vague and dismissive use of 'PC' generally. It seems to be used as a way of simply glossing over any sort of requirement for sympathetic language, with the implication that it is only required out of some sort of overly-prohibitive, arbitrary doctrine. But, perhaps you didn't mean it like that, but you could look up the origin of the term, and see how it's been manipulated by the media and opponents of that sort of sympathetic language, to beyond uselessness.
Also, I was kinda amused by the idea that someone would come to a seemingly good news thread about a LGBT group in football, with its casual homophobia and general abuse, and seize on the bit you did in order to make some sort of stand (and I use the word lightly) and challenge the OP. The fact that you thought that that was really where the important point of thread lies is pretty ludicrous and the sort of thing a troll might go for, which is why I thought it might be a joke.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2015 10:50:49 GMT
Well, as an old fart myself, I'm not too bothered about that one, especially as the power in society is usually held by the oldest. Otoh, eg, Ageism in the work place is important and should be avoided, of course, but that's not really the same issue as calling someone an old dinosaur for seemingly having views that belong, hopefully, to the past, and really the use of that sort of ad hominem is most pernicious when coming from the powerful and directed at the powerless (relatively speaking of course). But, really I was thinking of your use of PC, and the idea that supporting a LGBT group is somehow PC. I imagine that comes from the vague and dismissive use of 'PC' generally. It seems to be used as a way of simply glossing over any sort of requirement for sympathetic language, with the implication that it is only required out of some sort of overly-prohibitive, arbitrary doctrine. But, perhaps you didn't mean it kike that, but you could look up the origin of the term, and see how it's been manipulated by the media and opponents of that sort of sympathetic language, to beyond uselessness. Also, I was kinda amused by the idea that someone would come to a seemingly good news thread about a LGBT group in football, with its casual homophobia and general abuse, and seize on the bit you did in order to make some sort of stand (and I use the word lightly) and challenge the OP. The fact that you thought that that was really where the important point of thread lies is pretty ludicrous and the sort of thing a troll might go for, which is why I thought it might be a joke. I don't think that pointing out the casual use of ageism in a post makes me a troll. I don't think that using PC is dismissive either. Anyone who finds certain forms of prejudice acceptable should perhaps take the time to read Understanding Prejudice and Discrimination,Scott Plous. BTW,maybe you should edit your post there is an unacceptable word in there.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Jan 25, 2015 10:56:59 GMT
BTW,maybe you should edit your post there is an unacceptable word in there. Blimey, hilarious typo in the circumstances.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2015 13:07:46 GMT
Well, as an old fart myself, I'm not too bothered about that one, especially as the power in society is usually held by the oldest. Otoh, eg, Ageism in the work place is important and should be avoided, of course, but that's not really the same issue as calling someone an old dinosaur for seemingly having views that belong, hopefully, to the past, and really the use of that sort of ad hominem is most pernicious when coming from the powerful and directed at the powerless (relatively speaking of course). But, really I was thinking of your use of PC, and the idea that supporting a LGBT group is somehow PC. I imagine that comes from the vague and dismissive use of 'PC' generally. It seems to be used as a way of simply glossing over any sort of requirement for sympathetic language, with the implication that it is only required out of some sort of overly-prohibitive, arbitrary doctrine. But, perhaps you didn't mean it like that, but you could look up the origin of the term, and see how it's been manipulated by the media and opponents of that sort of sympathetic language, to beyond uselessness. Also, I was kinda amused by the idea that someone would come to a seemingly good news thread about a LGBT group in football, with its casual homophobia and general abuse, and seize on the bit you did in order to make some sort of stand (and I use the word lightly) and challenge the OP. The fact that you thought that that was really where the important point of thread lies is pretty ludicrous and the sort of thing a troll might go for, which is why I thought it might be a joke. so lets be clear, anyone with a different viewpoint to you is ; a troll; ?
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Jan 25, 2015 13:31:55 GMT
Well, as an old fart myself, I'm not too bothered about that one, especially as the power in society is usually held by the oldest. Otoh, eg, Ageism in the work place is important and should be avoided, of course, but that's not really the same issue as calling someone an old dinosaur for seemingly having views that belong, hopefully, to the past, and really the use of that sort of ad hominem is most pernicious when coming from the powerful and directed at the powerless (relatively speaking of course). But, really I was thinking of your use of PC, and the idea that supporting a LGBT group is somehow PC. I imagine that comes from the vague and dismissive use of 'PC' generally. It seems to be used as a way of simply glossing over any sort of requirement for sympathetic language, with the implication that it is only required out of some sort of overly-prohibitive, arbitrary doctrine. But, perhaps you didn't mean it like that, but you could look up the origin of the term, and see how it's been manipulated by the media and opponents of that sort of sympathetic language, to beyond uselessness. Also, I was kinda amused by the idea that someone would come to a seemingly good news thread about a LGBT group in football, with its casual homophobia and general abuse, and seize on the bit you did in order to make some sort of stand (and I use the word lightly) and challenge the OP. The fact that you thought that that was really where the important point of thread lies is pretty ludicrous and the sort of thing a troll might go for, which is why I thought it might be a joke. so lets be clear, anyone with a different viewpoint to you is ; a troll; ?
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Post by puregas on Jan 25, 2015 15:02:02 GMT
Whilst I admire any new group being set up at Rovers, the thought that it helps with inclusivity couldn't actually be further from the truth.
As a group for LGBT, it is in fact excluding 80-90% of the fan base.
It is much the same as The Society for Black Lawyers, in that it is very much exclusive.
If we are looking for a more inclusive society and a more inclusive Rovers, we should not necessarily be encouraging the formation of exclusive or separatist groups or organisations.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2015 15:21:15 GMT
Whilst I admire any new group being set up at Rovers, the thought that it helps with inclusivity couldn't actually be further from the truth. As a group for LGBT, it is in fact excluding 80-90% of the fan base. It is much the same as The Society for Black Lawyers, in that it is very much exclusive. If we are looking for a more inclusive society and a more inclusive Rovers, we should not necessarily be encouraging the formation of exclusive or separatist groups or organisations. Separatist group.
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Post by puregas on Jan 25, 2015 15:29:34 GMT
That's the correct spelling.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2015 15:39:15 GMT
Whilst I admire any new group being set up at Rovers, the thought that it helps with inclusivity couldn't actually be further from the truth. As a group for LGBT, it is in fact excluding 80-90% of the fan base. It is much the same as The Society for Black Lawyers, in that it is very much exclusive. If we are looking for a more inclusive society and a more inclusive Rovers, we should not necessarily be encouraging the formation of exclusive or separatist groups or organisations. It's also much the same as Weston-super-Mare Gas, which can be viewed as a grouping of fans with a common interest, or separatist depending on how much you sense the world shiuld revolve around you. Should I get the hump for being excluded because I don't live anywhere near WSM, or maybe say good luck to them, it makes no difference to my life and might improve theirs? How inclusive is the guy who was spouting offensive nonsense about a goalkeeper in a pink shirt? But if people targeted by that get together for a chin wag, they're separatist. Heaven forbid the 80-90% should accept the existence of and respect the 10-20% in which they've got far more in common than what separates them. Groups of friends stand together and chat at the ground: how does that help inclusiveness? Should we be against it?
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Post by brizzle on Jan 25, 2015 16:14:08 GMT
Whilst I admire any new group being set up at Rovers, the thought that it helps with inclusivity couldn't actually be further from the truth. As a group for LGBT, it is in fact excluding 80-90% of the fan base. It is much the same as The Society for Black Lawyers, in that it is very much exclusive.
If we are looking for a more inclusive society and a more inclusive Rovers, we should not necessarily be encouraging the formation of exclusive or separatist groups or organisations. . . . and also the National Black Police Association, which always surprises and disappoints me in equal measures. Surely a policeman is a policeman, full stop? How on earth an officers colour can be brought into his Trades Union membership is rather surprising to me. Although membership of the NBPA is "not based on colour", it is effectively restricted to officers of "African, African-Caribbean and Asian origin", whereas white people can support it only as "associate members.'' What next I wonder, the black sub-division of the Transport & General Workers' Union?
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Post by dagnogo on Jan 25, 2015 17:06:54 GMT
Someone will ask why we don't have the Music Of White Origin awards next
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Post by brizzle on Jan 25, 2015 17:51:01 GMT
Someone will ask why we don't have the Music Of White Origin awards next Serious question, but is your post intended to be ironic, post-ironic or just humorous?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2015 17:51:53 GMT
Yep, anyone coming out with prejudiced crap as per my example is subscribing to dinosaur views. Outdated, dying out, thankfully extinct soon. No ageism on display at all Mr Clever Clogs
As for the other rubbish. Jesus F Christ, get a grip. People who experience prejudice on the terraces/in the workplace etc band together to provide a little solidarity and this is the wrong thing to do is it? No, clearly it isn't. Given some of the songs/chants that are de rigeur every time we play Brighton for example, I'd say a group that enables LGBT Gasheads to stick together and speak out against this kind of idiotic prejudice which has every chance of putting them off from following the club is perfectly necessary.
Btw, Police officers aren't allowed trade union membership. There is a staff association (the Police Federation). The NBPA is an interest group which is probably sorely needed given the history of racism in the UK police force
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Post by brizzle on Jan 25, 2015 18:09:28 GMT
Yep, anyone coming out with prejudiced crap as per my example is subscribing to dinosaur views. Outdated, dying out, thankfully extinct soon. No ageism on display at all Mr Clever Clogs As for the other rubbish. Jesus F Christ, get a grip. People who experience prejudice on the terraces/in the workplace etc band together to provide a little solidarity and this is the wrong thing to do is it? No, clearly it isn't. Given some of the songs/chants that are de rigeur every time we play Brighton for example, I'd say a group that enables LGBT Gasheads to stick together and speak out against this kind of idiotic prejudice which has every chance of putting them off from following the club is perfectly necessary. Btw, Police officers aren't allowed trade union membership. There is a staff association (the Police Federation). The NBPA is an interest group which is probably sorely needed given the history of racism in the UK police force Of course you're quite right, Police Officers are not allowed to belong to a Trades Union. But I think that your reply can be put down to ''wriggle room,'' and it doesn't really affect the point that I made.
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Post by dagnogo on Jan 25, 2015 18:19:45 GMT
Someone will ask why we don't have the Music Of White Origin awards next Serious question, but is your post intended to be ironic, post-ironic or just humorous? Just making myself chuckle really. Though I don't get why straight folks would be concerned by a group of gay fans standing together.
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