bilko
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Post by bilko on Jun 10, 2014 17:57:33 GMT
Sad day all around. Good fans who deserve better than what they've been dealt. Struggled for years ,going back to Peter hill days. you wonder if Hereford actually wanted a football club
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harrybuckle
Always look on the bright side
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Post by harrybuckle on Jun 10, 2014 18:00:00 GMT
At least Michael Owen and his father will be happy to have Chester back after their relegation.
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Alveston Gas
Brucie Bannister
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Post by Alveston Gas on Jun 10, 2014 18:08:19 GMT
They have been very badly run financially and on the field for years. Winding up order after winding up order, unpaid bills to Manager, players and other clubs. Don't feel sorry for the Club but do for the fans. Nice day out in Hereford replaced by a long drive to Chester! What I would say is well done to the Conference for acting so quickly, positively and correctly. Shame the FL can't move so quickly. Hereford have only hit problems following their relegation which they clearly didn't expect which is seems a like us, I wonder if we're facing similar problems when our parachute payments stop you'll be saying "well done" if we're expelled, as Hereford's unpaid creditors are only owed around less than £200K so it's not massive sums. Sorry T you are wildly inaccurate. Not paid Manager, Players, other clubs, Inland Revenue, suppliers, Council - rent, owe ex Chairman £100s of thousands. They have outspent income for years not just in the last 24 months. Very badly run! It's pity some FL clubs were not shown the door for financial irregularities over the years. How many chances have Pompey had to walk away from debts and somehow miraculously start again with a clean slate.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jun 10, 2014 19:23:44 GMT
Hereford have only hit problems following their relegation which they clearly didn't expect which is seems a like us, I wonder if we're facing similar problems when our parachute payments stop you'll be saying "well done" if we're expelled, as Hereford's unpaid creditors are only owed around less than £200K so it's not massive sums. Sorry T you are wildly inaccurate. Not paid Manager, Players, other clubs, Inland Revenue, suppliers, Council - rent, owe ex Chairman £100s of thousands. They have outspent income for years not just in the last 24 months. Very badly run! It's pity some FL clubs were not shown the door for financial irregularities over the years. How many chances have Pompey had to walk away from debts and somehow miraculously start again with a clean slate. The debt the Conference required them to repay was just £148K, whether there are more unpaid bills is irrelevant as Conference only wanted that sum repayed to grant them another season in the Conference.
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Post by lincolnfan on Jun 10, 2014 20:39:33 GMT
Hereford's total debt, however, is somewhere in the region of £1.3m plus whatever loans are outstanding to directors (if any). In addition to the football debt they are in debt to coach companies, various suppliers, unpaid lease to local council etc etc, rates and have HMRC galloping over the hill. The Conference also wanted a bond of £350,000 for the season.
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Post by Northville Blue on Jun 10, 2014 21:37:51 GMT
Can Kirsty update us on how many miles we have to travel now as this news will come as a blow to many people.
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kingswood Polak
Without music life would be a mistake
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Post by kingswood Polak on Jun 10, 2014 21:47:09 GMT
Can Kirsty update us on how many miles we have to travel now as this news will come as a blow to many people. Ya naughty fecker lol
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Post by lostinspace on Jun 10, 2014 21:48:16 GMT
Can Kirsty update us on how many miles we have to travel now as this news will come as a blow to many people. the wheels on the bus go round and round, the wheels on the bus go round and round...........Chester is further, more petrol/diesel. more wear and tear on the vehicle,longer day out = more beer = more expense, it just keeps adding up.
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Post by markczgas on Jun 10, 2014 21:57:01 GMT
I know there's another Hereford thread, but its just been confirmed that they have been expelled from the Conference. Awful shame for the fans, was looking forward to a trip there - one of the few positives of relegation.Likely to be replaced by Chester, who were relegated last season. There are no positives from our relegation !!!!
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Gashead
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Post by Gashead on Jun 10, 2014 22:05:25 GMT
I know there's another Hereford thread, but its just been confirmed that they have been expelled from the Conference. Awful shame for the fans, was looking forward to a trip there - one of the few positives of relegation.Likely to be replaced by Chester, who were relegated last season. There are no positives from our relegation !!!! Well, okay - a consolation then.
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jozer
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Post by jozer on Jun 11, 2014 7:19:24 GMT
Bloody great! The one thing I was looking forward to next season was a weekend with old mates in Hereford.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2014 7:39:35 GMT
Use to play at Yeading before merger with Hayes - gates of 20 - 100 home fans. Oh , how the Rovers have fallen.
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Post by The Man from Del Monte on Jun 11, 2014 7:57:57 GMT
Use to play at Yeading before merger with Hayes - gates of 20 - 100 home fans. Oh , how the Rovers have fallen. We've not fallen that far!
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jozer
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Post by jozer on Jun 11, 2014 8:23:11 GMT
Yet.
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Post by steptoeshorse on Jun 11, 2014 8:47:27 GMT
Well, Rovers take note is all I have to say. Herefords debt is a fraction of ours and the problems for Hereford came when the League funding was cut and then stopped altogether. I feel as sick as a dog this morning, I have friends there as I do at the Gas that have watched the club since the 60's, one of them rung me in tears last night. The fact that Keyte took the view that he was not responsible for anything there, quite a position since he owned the club, he has downright refused to pay any wages at all while banking funds from the bars at the ground, the gate money limited as it was following givaway prices on season tickets to stay afloat through the last close season. I'm going to miss watching the Bulls next season in the Conference, nevertheless the same spirit is emerging there as we had when we ended up at Bath and already people are coming forward to ensure that the club rises from this.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2014 9:52:28 GMT
Statement From The Hereford 13/14 Playing Squad
The following is a joint statement from Hereford United players of the 2013/14 playing squad, issued to Bulls News this morning:
On the Fans: Players idea to get Fans on board and behind us so that the atmosphere would galvanise the team on the pitch. Young players were struggling to deal with atmosphere at home during Feb/March and uncertainty of future
On David Keyte: David Keyte had no regard for fans and knew he was unpopular so got to the point he didn't care. During the time Keyte was in Barbados, Graham Skyped the chairman to negotiate sums of cash to be paid to players through the office.
Senior players negotiated a £500 bonus for each player and member of staff as a loyalty if they managed to keep the club up. Every player has a signed copy which all signatures involved in bonus which the payment coming from Hereford United 1939 LTD signed by David Keyte. A promise it would come out of his pocket on survival, which hasn't happened.
Every week David Keyte assured senior pros he would meet the outstanding wages in full. On survival David Keyte promised to email players every week to keep them informed of what monies were there to pay players. Instead, Keyte has ignored players calls and asked who they were when answering some players after apparently losing phone numbers.
On Money: Players set up weekly monday meetings with Keyte so that Players were informed of monies for that week. Luke Graham with the assistance of Rhys Evans and Rob Purdie was handed cash to divide amongst the players, Roger (kitman) & Johnny (physio), and young players Jarrod, Billy, Corey etc. Graham made a note of percentages that were paid on an Excel spreadsheet to each individual and Evans was counting cash to check what was there. Payments were regularly made to players in the boot room.
Senior Pros regularly asked each individual for update on finances and paid percentages to individuals on priority ie. mortgage, children, debts. It was a weekly battle to get as much money before players left on Apr 26th knowing that it would be a struggle when out of the building.
On January Transfers: One player who left in January still had money oweing to him, which was pointed out to the board and a reply was "they are now bottom of the pile". It was made clear that when players left they would struggle to get their monies owed.
Luke Graham, on learning two clubs had made a bid in January in March, asked to leave with a club still willing to pay a substantial fee to take Graham on loan and a permanent contract for next season. The club refused it and stated the board would personally make sure Graham got paid every penny he was owed by them, which hasn't happened. The Players supported Graham, which in turn galvanised him.
Players hoping PFA will make an emergency payment to help them get through next few weeks.
On training: Players spoke about striking yet senior pros were concerned how it would look on younger players CV at such an early stage in career so decided against it. A couple of time players went to train and had no where to go, going to a school once and everyone had to jump the fence to use a concrete playground we didn't have permission to use. Next to us were 5 year olds using AstroTurf which we couldn't afford to book up or pay for.
On Tommy Agombar: No contact with him apart from u23s offered contracts with most choosing to move on due to lack of communication and money.
On the rest of the Board: Colin Addison did most of the talking at big meeting with players and told us he 100% trusted Keyte and we would get our money. The board room on certain days, give or take, consisted of Colin Addison, Stuart Blake, Bob Pritchard, Dave Preedy, Keith Dodd, Grenville Smith and David Keyte.
No one connected with the board has rang to apologise other than a text from Dave Preedy to some personnel. There were clear rifts amongst the board with one comment aimed at Preedy "I don't see the great Dave Preedy dipping in his pockets!"
There were other people connected with the board on a match day and were on the match day coach for games who knew the full extent of what was going on. They are all playing dumb and asking what is going on when they knew what went on. They are all to blame for allowing it to get this far in players view but of course Keyte has most to answer for.
On Goodbye: The last two months of season players built a rapport with fans as planned which made a 12th man out on the pitch which all came together against Aldershot -Thankyou
A scene no player will forget and thanks the fans in galvanising the team, every player is as upset about the club being expelled as the fans and hope the club can move forward.
Thank You to the fans of Hereford United.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2014 10:27:55 GMT
The equivalent of Rooney's weekly wage (approx.), and lack of it, causes the demise of a decent Football Club
Hereford United owner Tommy Agombar claims his club's demise from the Football Conference was down to them being unable to pay a £350,000 bond.
www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/27791997
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2014 12:13:47 GMT
really gives you an insight into the murky world of football: stuff like "players spoke about striking yet senior pros were concerned how it would look on younger players CV at such an early stage in career so decided against it."
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Post by steptoeshorse on Jun 11, 2014 12:28:20 GMT
Statement From The Hereford 13/14 Playing Squad The following is a joint statement from Hereford United players of the 2013/14 playing squad, issued to Bulls News this morning: On the Fans: Players idea to get Fans on board and behind us so that the atmosphere would galvanise the team on the pitch. Young players were struggling to deal with atmosphere at home during Feb/March and uncertainty of future On David Keyte: David Keyte had no regard for fans and knew he was unpopular so got to the point he didn't care. During the time Keyte was in Barbados, Graham Skyped the chairman to negotiate sums of cash to be paid to players through the office. Senior players negotiated a £500 bonus for each player and member of staff as a loyalty if they managed to keep the club up. Every player has a signed copy which all signatures involved in bonus which the payment coming from Hereford United 1939 LTD signed by David Keyte. A promise it would come out of his pocket on survival, which hasn't happened. Every week David Keyte assured senior pros he would meet the outstanding wages in full. On survival David Keyte promised to email players every week to keep them informed of what monies were there to pay players. Instead, Keyte has ignored players calls and asked who they were when answering some players after apparently losing phone numbers. On Money: Players set up weekly monday meetings with Keyte so that Players were informed of monies for that week. Luke Graham with the assistance of Rhys Evans and Rob Purdie was handed cash to divide amongst the players, Roger (kitman) & Johnny (physio), and young players Jarrod, Billy, Corey etc. Graham made a note of percentages that were paid on an Excel spreadsheet to each individual and Evans was counting cash to check what was there. Payments were regularly made to players in the boot room. Senior Pros regularly asked each individual for update on finances and paid percentages to individuals on priority ie. mortgage, children, debts. It was a weekly battle to get as much money before players left on Apr 26th knowing that it would be a struggle when out of the building. On January Transfers: One player who left in January still had money oweing to him, which was pointed out to the board and a reply was "they are now bottom of the pile". It was made clear that when players left they would struggle to get their monies owed. Luke Graham, on learning two clubs had made a bid in January in March, asked to leave with a club still willing to pay a substantial fee to take Graham on loan and a permanent contract for next season. The club refused it and stated the board would personally make sure Graham got paid every penny he was owed by them, which hasn't happened. The Players supported Graham, which in turn galvanised him. Players hoping PFA will make an emergency payment to help them get through next few weeks. On training: Players spoke about striking yet senior pros were concerned how it would look on younger players CV at such an early stage in career so decided against it. A couple of time players went to train and had no where to go, going to a school once and everyone had to jump the fence to use a concrete playground we didn't have permission to use. Next to us were 5 year olds using AstroTurf which we couldn't afford to book up or pay for. On Tommy Agombar: No contact with him apart from u23s offered contracts with most choosing to move on due to lack of communication and money. On the rest of the Board: Colin Addison did most of the talking at big meeting with players and told us he 100% trusted Keyte and we would get our money. The board room on certain days, give or take, consisted of Colin Addison, Stuart Blake, Bob Pritchard, Dave Preedy, Keith Dodd, Grenville Smith and David Keyte. No one connected with the board has rang to apologise other than a text from Dave Preedy to some personnel. There were clear rifts amongst the board with one comment aimed at Preedy "I don't see the great Dave Preedy dipping in his pockets!" There were other people connected with the board on a match day and were on the match day coach for games who knew the full extent of what was going on. They are all playing dumb and asking what is going on when they knew what went on. They are all to blame for allowing it to get this far in players view but of course Keyte has most to answer for. On Goodbye: The last two months of season players built a rapport with fans as planned which made a 12th man out on the pitch which all came together against Aldershot -Thankyou A scene no player will forget and thanks the fans in galvanising the team, every player is as upset about the club being expelled as the fans and hope the club can move forward. Thank You to the fans of Hereford United. Frightening seeing what in reality is the tip of the iceberg.
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Post by steptoeshorse on Jun 11, 2014 12:32:26 GMT
The equivalent of Rooney's weekly wage (approx.), and lack of it, causes the demise of a decent Football Club
Hereford United owner Tommy Agombar claims his club's demise from the Football Conference was down to them being unable to pay a £350,000 bond.
www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/27791997 That's the crux of it. He got snotty both at the size of the bond and the fact that neither Salisbury nor Macclesfield were required to do the same. Having said that both of those clubs don't have the record Keyte has.
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