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Post by Big Dave on Jun 10, 2014 10:00:16 GMT
I am in a very precarious situation here as if I revealed where I got the information then it could possibly have repercussions legally. I will say this much, if I can get his permission then I'll go further. What we saw was one page of a 4 page letter. This is not a case of me having some fun in thinking I know something you don't but please understand the delicate nature of this and what could happen if it became mainstream news. It could possibly compromise investigations. To be honest, I felt I was wring to post it just after I did post. I apologise to all who may think me a wrong in for posting this. If I am able to then I will reveal more when I feel the time is right. I can categorically tell you that this is not BS or a WUM post. Thank you for posting this, do not get yourself or the letter owner into trouble. It sounds like the wait will be worth it in the long run. The point where you 'leak' what I assume is a private and confidential letter onto the internet is the point where you should either come clean completely or STFU and GBTW...if you're part of a media campaign from the club then I feel sorry for you...if you have a mate who showed you the letter I feel sorry for him/her as if may hider us in the long run if the opposite side find it has been leaked...
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Post by kingswood Polak on Jun 10, 2014 11:11:58 GMT
Thank you for posting this, do not get yourself or the letter owner into trouble. It sounds like the wait will be worth it in the long run. The point where you 'leak' what I assume is a private and confidential letter onto the internet is the point where you should either come clean completely or STFU and GBTW...if you're part of a media campaign from the club then I feel sorry for you...if you have a mate who showed you the letter I feel sorry for him/her as if may hider us in the long run if the opposite side find it has been leaked... Dave, I have already apologised and I did feel bad AFTER I pressed to post. That you feel so indignant is not my problem as taking offence is a choice, like any other. As it stands, I have not given any real detail not have I dropped anyone in the Brown stuff. My aim was to let some interested people know that this is a much more complex situation. NOTHING of detail has been leaked although I have admitted and apologised that I posted this. If you read what I said then you would understand. This was not a vitriol filled post, more misguided if anything. If my apology is not good enough for you then not much I can do about that old bean You should know, from the old OS that I am in no way a part of any media campaign. I do not do contrived mucker.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Jun 10, 2014 11:27:32 GMT
ToteEnd is a guy who is a true Blue who watches the guys train & attends development games. He is also a decent guy who has given a lot of time and energy for the club. I don't understand why a good few in here seem to have digs at him. He is a stand up guy who says it as it is and would say to your face what he says on forums. ISTM that anyone with genuine links and who shares what they know often get lambasted for not revealing everything. This is just a guess but I would imagine he too get compromised in how much he can say. All anyone has to do to get info is to hang around the club bar when certain people are around and in the mood to talk. It seems we have more than a few who are more than happy to divulge information at certain times. It is the responsibility of those people when that gets passed on. They really should be clear, if they are passing on sensitive stuff, that it has to remain private. The biggest problem here is the club PR is so bad that we often get news leaked out well before our club put it out. We are in desperate need of PR savvy people at the club. It would stop most of the arguments on that side of things. It's a bloody shame people like Bri get stick for no good reason other than those who feel they are being purposely played.
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Post by Big Dave on Jun 10, 2014 11:30:50 GMT
The point where you 'leak' what I assume is a private and confidential letter onto the internet is the point where you should either come clean completely or STFU and GBTW...if you're part of a media campaign from the club then I feel sorry for you...if you have a mate who showed you the letter I feel sorry for him/her as if may hider us in the long run if the opposite side find it has been leaked... Dave, I have already apologised and I did feel bad AFTER I pressed to post. That you feel so indignant is not my problem as taking offence is a choice, like any other. As it stands, I have not given any real detail not have I dropped anyone in the Brown stuff. My aim was to let some interested people know that this is a much more complex situation. NOTHING of detail has been leaked although I have admitted and apologised that I posted this. If you read what I said then you would understand. This was not a vitriol filled post, more misguided if anything. If my apology is not good enough for you then not much I can do about that old bean You should know, from the old OS that I am in no way a part of any media campaign. I do not do contrived mucker. KP, Although we've never met in the real world, I feel I know you at least a bit from our interaction on various forums. I respect a lot of what you have said, and treat it more seriously than a lot of what comes out of the club at the moment. But my point still stands. You ended up in my headlights this time, but it's happening more and more from various people....people who 'come across' privileged information 'leak' it on-line...that's great and all that, but probably 60% of it is made up, 30% of the rest of the information will actually hamper the club once it's made public and the remaining 10% is probably boring (but still confidential) stuff about the reseeding of the pitch before next year.
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Post by Peter Parker on Jun 10, 2014 11:40:32 GMT
Interesting stuff KP. Sounds as though those who are bleating about us picking on "poor little Wycombe" might need to have a re-think. Ask yourself though, if the agent has such damning evidence and it is much bigger than BRFC a) Why has Smith get BRFC involved as a singular entity perusing an action against Wycombe/FA/FL? b) What is in it for Mr Smith? I do not doubt that we had to follow this up (but should have done it much better then directly accusing Wycombe publicly) I suspect the answer to A, is Smith needed someone credible (stop laughing at the back) to bring this to the FA/FL attention. But as I say if it is such a big deal it goes far beyond BRFC and our own little interest if it is such a big case Secondly, I still do not see what is in it for this Smith bloke.. He has whinged about being banned for 6 months, yet now he wants to turn whistle blower on a whole host of who knows what, because he feels he got cut out of a dodgy deal. What is he trying to achieve and for what reason? Jun 9, 2014 18:13:38 GMT 1 Bath Gas said:
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Post by kingswood Polak on Jun 10, 2014 11:40:47 GMT
Dave, I have already apologised and I did feel bad AFTER I pressed to post. That you feel so indignant is not my problem as taking offence is a choice, like any other. As it stands, I have not given any real detail not have I dropped anyone in the Brown stuff. My aim was to let some interested people know that this is a much more complex situation. NOTHING of detail has been leaked although I have admitted and apologised that I posted this. If you read what I said then you would understand. This was not a vitriol filled post, more misguided if anything. If my apology is not good enough for you then not much I can do about that old bean You should know, from the old OS that I am in no way a part of any media campaign. I do not do contrived mucker. KP, Although we've never met in the real world, I feel I know you at least a bit from our interaction on various forums. I respect a lot of what you have said, and treat it more seriously than a lot of what comes out of the club at the moment. But my point still stands. You ended up in my headlights this time, but it's happening more and more from various people....people who 'come across' privileged information 'leak' it on-line...that's great and all that, but probably 60% of it is made up, 30% of the rest of the information will actually hamper the club once it's made public and the remaining 10% is probably boring (but still confidential) stuff about the reseeding of the pitch before next year. I just would like to think you did not take this personally Dave. I am guilty of many things, am impatient, angry, sad, and certainly outspoken at times but I would never knowingly post anything that I thought would purposely hurt this club. This was misguided rather than contrived & I have given no real detail. I was hoping it would, at the very least, let people know it is not going to be a quick fix. I promise that I will allow a pause period before I post anything of this nature again. As it happens I have just had a call to say I have not harmed by my post but I do take onboard your comments mate. Rest assured I will be more careful in future UTG. FTW
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Post by Bath Gas on Jun 10, 2014 12:23:52 GMT
Revenge is a dish best eaten cold - maybe Agent Smith has a large appetite? I'm still chuckling at the thought of KP being part of the club's media campaign.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jun 10, 2014 12:47:59 GMT
Revenge is a dish best eaten cold - maybe Agent Smith has a large appetite? I'm still chuckling at the thought of KP being part of the club's media campaign. ....or how we would come into possension of just one page of a four page letter, as there is no way anybody connected to the club would disclose it to him willingly. I fear him & Toteend are threading a dangerous path here given the nature of the info they are disclosing.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2014 15:02:56 GMT
Or maybe it didnt come from the club,i have spoken to Paul Smith recently and he said this could blow a few other clubs out of the water.The reason he chose Rovers is because as far as he knows they are squeaky clean in transfer dealings
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2014 15:24:54 GMT
Or maybe it didnt come from the club,i have spoken to Paul Smith recently and he said this could blow a few other clubs out of the water.The reason he chose Rovers is because as far as he knows they are squeaky clean in transfer dealings So we have wholesale scandal on our hands?
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Post by kingswood Polak on Jun 10, 2014 16:40:29 GMT
Or maybe it didnt come from the club,i have spoken to Paul Smith recently and he said this could blow a few other clubs out of the water.The reason he chose Rovers is because as far as he knows they are squeaky clean in transfer dealings So we have wholesale scandal on our hands? I've already had a few run to Sir and give me the implied threat of litigation ffs. Some people really need to grow a pair.
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Post by mancgas has left the building on Jun 10, 2014 16:47:05 GMT
The Football League has asked Rovers to transfer its share in the Football League to Cambridge United, which has been promoted from the Football Conference to replace Rovers in League Two. Under the Football League Articles of Association, each club is entitled to one share in the Football League, which it must surrender upon relegation from League Two under Regulation 7.3. The Football League has asked Rovers to resolve this prior to the Football League AGM on 6 June. As you'll know with every divorce comes the possibility of a new marriage We give up a share, but could technically take someone elses - not for one minute saying we will mind Also for those who have not seen it we made a legal trade publication today, presumably lawyers issued press releases biging up their involvement www.e-comlaw.com/world-sports-law-report/article_template.asp?ID=1665
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Post by lincolnfan on Jun 10, 2014 16:58:50 GMT
Could turn into a proper legal battle "royale". Wycombe's solicitors are Farrer and Co who also act for the RFU, Man City, Arsenal and Spurs and also happen to be the private solicitors to Her Majesty.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2014 17:46:50 GMT
Or maybe it didnt come from the club,i have spoken to Paul Smith recently and he said this could blow a few other clubs out of the water.The reason he chose Rovers is because as far as he knows they are squeaky clean in transfer dealings I wouldn't have had you down as the type to go hobnobbing within fashion designers like Paul Smith. Your full of surprises Brian. Seriously though, very interesting. Watch this space as they say...
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Post by phillistine on Jun 10, 2014 20:55:49 GMT
Could turn into a proper legal battle "royale". Wycombe's solicitors are Farrer and Co who also act for the RFU, Man City, Arsenal and Spurs and also happen to be the private solicitors to Her Majesty. Do you really think that Wycombe would be able to find the funds to pay Farrer's to defend them. I cant imagine that Farrers would let them run up an account when they have no money. All the other names you mention have money
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Post by badbloodash on Jun 10, 2014 21:41:32 GMT
Could turn into a proper legal battle "royale". Wycombe's solicitors are Farrer and Co who also act for the RFU, Man City, Arsenal and Spurs and also happen to be the private solicitors to Her Majesty. Do you really think that Wycombe would be able to find the funds to pay Farrer's to defend them. I cant imagine that Farrers would let them run up an account when they have no money. All the other names you mention have money Maybe someone more to lose than Wycombe are funding this to protect themselves seems like this could be a domino effect with everyone looking after themselves someone who has a Skelton in their cupboard could be very nervous
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Post by lincolnfan on Jun 10, 2014 22:06:44 GMT
Could turn into a proper legal battle "royale". Wycombe's solicitors are Farrer and Co who also act for the RFU, Man City, Arsenal and Spurs and also happen to be the private solicitors to Her Majesty. Do you really think that Wycombe would be able to find the funds to pay Farrer's to defend them. I cant imagine that Farrers would let them run up an account when they have no money. All the other names you mention have money Farrer and Co acted for the consortium that took over Wycombe and their Sports Department superintended all their legal dealings with the FA/FL and I believe they are still acting for them.
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Post by howardgreene on Jun 10, 2014 23:05:46 GMT
I've also heard that Wycombe are under investigation due to money laundering allegations (the supporters trust is a front for a shady criminal gang) and even some drug smuggling (all I am saying is you might get a surprise if you open the sugar sachets at Adam's Park).
BTW Padstow, who's Paul Smith? Is he related to Phil Smith? I understand it's only Wycombe who's involved, no one else can possibly be as brazen cheats, liars and thieves (the quarters are ours!)
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