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Post by 1883 on Nov 23, 2014 21:54:58 GMT
I will never accept Clarke after he got us relegated I just don't understand this mentality, personally. You will 'never' accept Clarke? So if we win the league this season, or even go up through the play offs, you'll want Clarke sacked? Right? Clarke made some mistakes towards the end of last season, but it was Ward managing for 95% of the season and Ward who put together the shower of tripe that Clarke had to manage for the last few games. It's a childish and counter-productive mentality you have IMO - but, of course, each to their own. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 23, 2014 22:16:25 GMT
Last season is irrelevant to what happens this season, although after 2 wins in 10 games plus a loss to the 91st league side who does DC blame now? Like last season it's hard to understand why we started off with such a weak strike force.
If we don't win either game this week are fans seriously happy for DC to continue after what will be 2 wins in 12, if so, expections will be even lower than PB anticipated.
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Archie Stephens
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Post by intheknow on Nov 23, 2014 22:23:27 GMT
As a matter of fact yes I did expect us to win the title. Also I think the sooner Clarke is replaced by an experienced manager the better. I will never accept Clarke after he got us relegated. I would love to see Gary Johnson managing us. He would very quickly sort this lot out . I am sick of watching the worst Gas team in my 58 years. Im not interested in what the rose tinters think the sooner he goes the better. Gary Johnson ...... Really ? He's hardly pulling up trees at Yeovile is he ? The bloke is a busted flush plus he's a tosser |
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Post by swissgas on Nov 23, 2014 22:37:20 GMT
The debate is always the same whether we have been in league 1, league 2 or now the conference. Basically it boils down to "we are doing all right stop criticising" versus "we should be striving to do better".
The majority has usually been for "we're doing all right stop criticising" but the result has usually been that we steadily got worse.
If we don't always strive to do better and be willing to meet and deal with criticism we will never progress. If fans keep getting taken in by talk of "turning the corner" or " only a bit of tinkering required" or "just need the final piece of the jigsaw" then the disappointment will continue. My opinion for many years has been that Rovers don't make the best use of the assets we have and instead of really working hard to ensure those assets perform we make excuses and chop and change much too readily. Included in the assets are not just the players but the managers, the coaches, the revenue we receive from good attendances, the Rovers branding opportunities and the facilities at the Mem. It seems we don't invest in any of these assets we just wait to see what happens with them and when failure occurs we blame the assets themselves and convince ourselves the only choice we have is to change them. We can change the managers, change the players or change the Mem but all it does is hide the real problem which is failing to manage our assets properly.
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Michael Smith
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Post by Royal Blue on Nov 23, 2014 23:40:46 GMT
We've had this debate to death in past months but how anyone can blame Clarke for relegation is beyond me, it really is.
There may have been a couple of decisions he got wrong in the few games he had as manager but he was working with the worst team in BRFC history - a bunch of overpaid, uncommitted wasters.
Did DC bring those players in? No. John Ward did. Was it DC that refused to sign a striker because he believed what we had at the club was good enough? No. Again that was John Ward. Did DC lead us for 95% of the season and have us set up so negatively home and away that most of the time the best we could hope for was a draw (and more often not go on to lose because we weren't very good)? No. A certain John Ward was the man who masterminded that.
People wanted to blame someone for the relegation (which is fair enough) but instead of aiming their anger at those genuinely responsible they pointed their finger at the young manager who was hung out to dry by JW and NH. Why? Because he was an easy target. Ever since then, these people have decided that everything DC says, does and implements is not acceptable. They said in the summer things like 'there's no chance on God's earth we'll be in the top half let alone the play-offs', 'we've got more chance of going down again than going up' etc... simply because they didn't want to believe DC to succeed. I mean, I had my doubts we'd be up there as well, just like most open-minded and fair Gasheads, but I didn't write us off before a ball was kicked like some.
But now these people are making themselves look even more stupid by continuing to moan about him. We are in sixth place and outside the play-offs on goal difference after half the season, which is ten times better than most predicted a few months ago. Considering the massive budget cuts we endured DC has put together a side that not only cares about playing for this football club but one that has more than matched every single other side we've faced this season. We've not once been spanked by anyone and although goal scoring has been a problem we are still in and around the promotion mix, which is testament to how good we must be defensively. The defeat at Barnet was the biggest loss we've suffered and they only beat us due to a huge error from Will Puddy and an unfit Neal Trotman being run ragged by John Akinde (NT has been out best defender overall since then IMO) and they are the team running away with it at the minute. With that in mind we have nothing to fear heading into Tuesday's game.
Our manager has now addressed the goalscoring issue by bringing in two new strikers and if all goes to plan we will convert more of our chances now and remain tight defensively. If we can do that we will pick up even more points from now on and it doesn't take a mathematician to work out that it would put us in a wonderful position come the new year.
Yes there have been things that could have gone better in the first few months but overall we're having a solid season and there's plenty to build on. DC is young and learning all the time but his confidence and enthusiasm for the job is absolutely superb and he knows exactly what he wants from his players and so far they are delivering. Some of his comments may not have gone down well with some but I completely get his frustration because with some of the moaning that has gone on despite the fact we're right up there is staggering.
I am 100% behind DC and think we will get better as the season goes on. I don't think there's a manager available with a proven track record, who knows the Conference well enough, that could feasibly come into the club; and even if there was I wouldn't swap DC right now. Let's get behind him and the team and see where we go.
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Post by alloutofgas on Nov 24, 2014 0:44:13 GMT
We've had this debate to death in past months but how anyone can blame Clarke for relegation is beyond me, it really is. There may have been a couple of decisions he got wrong in the few games he had as manager but he was working with the worst team in BRFC history - a bunch of overpaid, uncommitted wasters. Did DC bring those players in? No. John Ward did. Was it DC that refused to sign a striker because he believed what we had at the club was good enough? No. Again that was John Ward. Did DC lead us for 95% of the season and have us set up so negatively home and away that most of the time the best we could hope for was a draw (and more often not go on to lose because we weren't very good)? No. A certain John Ward was the man who masterminded that. People wanted to blame someone for the relegation (which is fair enough) but instead of aiming their anger at those genuinely responsible they pointed their finger at the young manager who was hung out to dry by JW and NH. Why? Because he was an easy target. Ever since then, these people have decided that everything DC says, does and implements is not acceptable. They said in the summer things like 'there's no chance on God's earth we'll be in the top half let alone the play-offs', 'we've got more chance of going down again than going up' etc... simply because they didn't want to believe DC to succeed. I mean, I had my doubts we'd be up there as well, just like most open-minded and fair Gasheads, but I didn't write us off before a ball was kicked like some. But now these people are making themselves look even more stupid by continuing to moan about him. We are in sixth place and outside the play-offs on goal difference after half the season, which is ten times better than most predicted a few months ago. Considering the massive budget cuts we endured DC has put together a side that not only cares about playing for this football club but one that has more than matched every single other side we've faced this season. We've not once been spanked by anyone and although goal scoring has been a problem we are still in and around the promotion mix, which is testament to how good we must be defensively. The defeat at Barnet was the biggest loss we've suffered and they only beat us due to a huge error from Will Puddy and an unfit Neal Trotman being run ragged by John Akinde (NT has been out best defender overall since then IMO) and they are the team running away with it at the minute. With that in mind we have nothing to fear heading into Tuesday's game. Our manager has now addressed the goalscoring issue by bringing in two new strikers and if all goes to plan we will convert more of our chances now and remain tight defensively. If we can do that we will pick up even more points from now on and it doesn't take a mathematician to work out that it would put us in a wonderful position come the new year. Yes there have been things that could have gone better in the first few months but overall we're having a solid season and there's plenty to build on. DC is young and learning all the time but his confidence and enthusiasm for the job is absolutely superb and he knows exactly what he wants from his players and so far they are delivering. Some of his comments may not have gone down well with some but I completely get his frustration because with some of the moaning that has gone on despite the fact we're right up there is staggering. I am 100% behind DC and think we will get better as the season goes on. I don't think there's a manager available with a proven track record, who knows the Conference well enough, that could feasibly come into the club; and even if there was I wouldn't swap DC right now. Let's get behind him and the team and see where we go. 100% agree with this. Thank you. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 24, 2014 8:42:09 GMT
We've had this debate to death in past months but how anyone can blame Clarke for relegation is beyond me, it really is. There may have been a couple of decisions he got wrong in the few games he had as manager but he was working with the worst team in BRFC history - a bunch of overpaid, uncommitted wasters. Did DC bring those players in? No. John Ward did. Was it DC that refused to sign a striker because he believed what we had at the club was good enough? No. Again that was John Ward. Did DC lead us for 95% of the season and have us set up so negatively home and away that most of the time the best we could hope for was a draw (and more often not go on to lose because we weren't very good)? No. A certain John Ward was the man who masterminded that. People wanted to blame someone for the relegation (which is fair enough) but instead of aiming their anger at those genuinely responsible they pointed their finger at the young manager who was hung out to dry by JW and NH. Why? Because he was an easy target. Ever since then, these people have decided that everything DC says, does and implements is not acceptable. They said in the summer things like 'there's no chance on God's earth we'll be in the top half let alone the play-offs', 'we've got more chance of going down again than going up' etc... simply because they didn't want to believe DC to succeed. I mean, I had my doubts we'd be up there as well, just like most open-minded and fair Gasheads, but I didn't write us off before a ball was kicked like some. But now these people are making themselves look even more stupid by continuing to moan about him. We are in sixth place and outside the play-offs on goal difference after half the season, which is ten times better than most predicted a few months ago. Considering the massive budget cuts we endured DC has put together a side that not only cares about playing for this football club but one that has more than matched every single other side we've faced this season. We've not once been spanked by anyone and although goal scoring has been a problem we are still in and around the promotion mix, which is testament to how good we must be defensively. The defeat at Barnet was the biggest loss we've suffered and they only beat us due to a huge error from Will Puddy and an unfit Neal Trotman being run ragged by John Akinde (NT has been out best defender overall since then IMO) and they are the team running away with it at the minute. With that in mind we have nothing to fear heading into Tuesday's game. Our manager has now addressed the goalscoring issue by bringing in two new strikers and if all goes to plan we will convert more of our chances now and remain tight defensively. If we can do that we will pick up even more points from now on and it doesn't take a mathematician to work out that it would put us in a wonderful position come the new year. Yes there have been things that could have gone better in the first few months but overall we're having a solid season and there's plenty to build on. DC is young and learning all the time but his confidence and enthusiasm for the job is absolutely superb and he knows exactly what he wants from his players and so far they are delivering. Some of his comments may not have gone down well with some but I completely get his frustration because with some of the moaning that has gone on despite the fact we're right up there is staggering. I am 100% behind DC and think we will get better as the season goes on. I don't think there's a manager available with a proven track record, who knows the Conference well enough, that could feasibly come into the club; and even if there was I wouldn't swap DC right now. Let's get behind him and the team and see where we go. 100% agree with this. Thank you. "what he wants from his players and so far they are delivering" 2 wins in 12 doesn't sound like that to me but perhaps my expectations are too high? Like I've said already if he fails to win a game this week he'll be gone, hopefully, he can get at least a draw and a win so we can get back in the Play off spots. |
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Post by dagnogo on Nov 24, 2014 8:52:06 GMT
Who replaces him then? Pick a replacement. I can't think of anyone we'll get that is going to do well enough to justify paying DC off, pissing the players off, and paying another salary out.
Bear in mind we don't have a pot to piss in so don't expect that we can poach someone already in work.
If DC is doing such a bad job, rather than this just being a bit of a bad run, who is going to walk in and make life so much better?
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Post by LPGas on Nov 24, 2014 21:55:56 GMT
As a matter of fact yes I did expect us to win the title. Also I think the sooner Clarke is replaced by an experienced manager the better. I will never accept Clarke after he got us relegated. I would love to see Gary Johnson managing us. He would very quickly sort this lot out . I am sick of watching the worst Gas team in my 58 years. Im not interested in what the rose tinters think the sooner he goes the better. Suppose you would prefer Cottrell
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Post by LPGas on Nov 24, 2014 21:57:42 GMT
We've had this debate to death in past months but how anyone can blame Clarke for relegation is beyond me, it really is. There may have been a couple of decisions he got wrong in the few games he had as manager but he was working with the worst team in BRFC history - a bunch of overpaid, uncommitted wasters. Did DC bring those players in? No. John Ward did. Was it DC that refused to sign a striker because he believed what we had at the club was good enough? No. Again that was John Ward. Did DC lead us for 95% of the season and have us set up so negatively home and away that most of the time the best we could hope for was a draw (and more often not go on to lose because we weren't very good)? No. A certain John Ward was the man who masterminded that. People wanted to blame someone for the relegation (which is fair enough) but instead of aiming their anger at those genuinely responsible they pointed their finger at the young manager who was hung out to dry by JW and NH. Why? Because he was an easy target. Ever since then, these people have decided that everything DC says, does and implements is not acceptable. They said in the summer things like 'there's no chance on God's earth we'll be in the top half let alone the play-offs', 'we've got more chance of going down again than going up' etc... simply because they didn't want to believe DC to succeed. I mean, I had my doubts we'd be up there as well, just like most open-minded and fair Gasheads, but I didn't write us off before a ball was kicked like some. But now these people are making themselves look even more stupid by continuing to moan about him. We are in sixth place and outside the play-offs on goal difference after half the season, which is ten times better than most predicted a few months ago. Considering the massive budget cuts we endured DC has put together a side that not only cares about playing for this football club but one that has more than matched every single other side we've faced this season. We've not once been spanked by anyone and although goal scoring has been a problem we are still in and around the promotion mix, which is testament to how good we must be defensively. The defeat at Barnet was the biggest loss we've suffered and they only beat us due to a huge error from Will Puddy and an unfit Neal Trotman being run ragged by John Akinde (NT has been out best defender overall since then IMO) and they are the team running away with it at the minute. With that in mind we have nothing to fear heading into Tuesday's game. Our manager has now addressed the goalscoring issue by bringing in two new strikers and if all goes to plan we will convert more of our chances now and remain tight defensively. If we can do that we will pick up even more points from now on and it doesn't take a mathematician to work out that it would put us in a wonderful position come the new year. Yes there have been things that could have gone better in the first few months but overall we're having a solid season and there's plenty to build on. DC is young and learning all the time but his confidence and enthusiasm for the job is absolutely superb and he knows exactly what he wants from his players and so far they are delivering. Some of his comments may not have gone down well with some but I completely get his frustration because with some of the moaning that has gone on despite the fact we're right up there is staggering. I am 100% behind DC and think we will get better as the season goes on. I don't think there's a manager available with a proven track record, who knows the Conference well enough, that could feasibly come into the club; and even if there was I wouldn't swap DC right now. Let's get behind him and the team and see where we go. 100% agree with this. Thank you. You have said exactly what I was trying to say |
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Stuart Taylor
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Post by LPGas on Nov 24, 2014 21:58:54 GMT
Who replaces him then? Pick a replacement. I can't think of anyone we'll get that is going to do well enough to justify paying DC off, pissing the players off, and paying another salary out. Bear in mind we don't have a pot to piss in so don't expect that we can poach someone already in work. If DC is doing such a bad job, rather than this just being a bit of a bad run, who is going to walk in and make life so much better? Nobody ever does pick a replacement as that would be far too positive |
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 24, 2014 22:04:58 GMT
Who replaces him then? Pick a replacement. I can't think of anyone we'll get that is going to do well enough to justify paying DC off, pissing the players off, and paying another salary out. Bear in mind we don't have a pot to piss in so don't expect that we can poach someone already in work. If DC is doing such a bad job, rather than this just being a bit of a bad run, who is going to walk in and make life so much better? We've apparently just paid a "substantial" fee for a player so money can't be that tight, plus if TW's done his homework this time he'll know if we fail to go up this season another £500K has to be saved. |
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Post by dagnogo on Nov 25, 2014 9:25:43 GMT
Who replaces him then? Pick a replacement. I can't think of anyone we'll get that is going to do well enough to justify paying DC off, pissing the players off, and paying another salary out. Bear in mind we don't have a pot to piss in so don't expect that we can poach someone already in work. If DC is doing such a bad job, rather than this just being a bit of a bad run, who is going to walk in and make life so much better? We've apparently just paid a "substantial" fee for a player so money can't be that tight, plus if TW's done his homework this time he'll know if we fail to go up this season another £500K has to be saved. Since we've just spent that money I'd imagine that there was less in the coffers than there was this time last week. Though the Blissett signing raises a point - what kind of chairman lets his manager buy a player then sacks him? Who would you hire - honest question. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2014 9:28:20 GMT
Who replaces him then? Pick a replacement. I can't think of anyone we'll get that is going to do well enough to justify paying DC off, pissing the players off, and paying another salary out. Bear in mind we don't have a pot to piss in so don't expect that we can poach someone already in work. If DC is doing such a bad job, rather than this just being a bit of a bad run, who is going to walk in and make life so much better? We've apparently just paid a "substantial" fee for a player so money can't be that tight, plus if TW's done his homework this time he'll know if we fail to go up this season another £500K has to be saved. Don't forget the Lambert Money coming to us next season ! |
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Post by CountyGroundHotel on Nov 25, 2014 10:07:23 GMT
The people I can't believe are the ones that say we can't win this division. Last season we were the highest ranked team in this division now, we retained the majority of our only good feature last season (the defence) & have what I believe is one of the highest budgets in the division (if not the highest). The only thing we need to challenge for the title is a consistent goalscorer.
I guess when they say we can't, or couldn't, win the division they are allowing for the DC factor.
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Post by LJG on Nov 25, 2014 10:16:05 GMT
The people I can't believe are the ones that say we can't win this division. Last season we were the highest ranked team in this division now, we retained the majority of our only good feature last season (the defence) & have what I believe is one of the highest budgets in the division (if not the highest). The only thing we need to challenge for the title is a consistent goalscorer. I guess when they say we can't, or couldn't, win the division they are allowing for the DC factor. By that do you mean we weren't in this division at all? |
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Post by dagnogo on Nov 25, 2014 10:21:52 GMT
The people I can't believe are the ones that say we can't win this division. Last season we were the highest ranked team in this division now, we retained the majority of our only good feature last season (the defence) & have what I believe is one of the highest budgets in the division (if not the highest). The only thing we need to challenge for the title is a consistent goalscorer. I guess when they say we can't, or couldn't, win the division they are allowing for the DC factor. No team has won the division having been relegated the previous year for over a decade. That can't be a coincidence. We don't have the highest budget, Eastleigh and FGR are reportedly outspending us. |
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Post by CountyGroundHotel on Nov 25, 2014 11:30:41 GMT
The people I can't believe are the ones that say we can't win this division. Last season we were the highest ranked team in this division now, we retained the majority of our only good feature last season (the defence) & have what I believe is one of the highest budgets in the division (if not the highest). The only thing we need to challenge for the title is a consistent goalscorer. I guess when they say we can't, or couldn't, win the division they are allowing for the DC factor. No team has won the division having been relegated the previous year for over a decade. That can't be a coincidence. We don't have the highest budget, Eastleigh and FGR are reportedly outspending us. Reportedly eh, so definitely, maybe, possibly we could have the highest budget. And just because no-one has doesn't mean no-one can. Unless you don't have faith in the manager? |
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Post by CountyGroundHotel on Nov 25, 2014 11:31:43 GMT
The people I can't believe are the ones that say we can't win this division. Last season we were the highest ranked team in this division now, we retained the majority of our only good feature last season (the defence) & have what I believe is one of the highest budgets in the division (if not the highest). The only thing we need to challenge for the title is a consistent goalscorer. I guess when they say we can't, or couldn't, win the division they are allowing for the DC factor. By that do you mean we weren't in this division at all? Qualified by the word now that you forgot to highlight |
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 25, 2014 11:44:52 GMT
The people I can't believe are the ones that say we can't win this division. Last season we were the highest ranked team in this division now, we retained the majority of our only good feature last season (the defence) & have what I believe is one of the highest budgets in the division (if not the highest). The only thing we need to challenge for the title is a consistent goalscorer. I guess when they say we can't, or couldn't, win the division they are allowing for the DC factor. No team has won the division having been relegated the previous year for over a decade. That can't be a coincidence. We don't have the highest budget, Eastleigh and FGR are reportedly outspending us. Out of interest how many of those teams have had no serious money problems following their relegation and also managed to retain an average home gate of around 5,500? Also how many of those teams have not made the Play Off's in their first season back who haven't had to suffer a 10+ points plus deduction? Regardless of that we must be in one of the strongest positions to bounce back in the last decade, or at least make the Play Off's, but DC's not going to look like achieving that if he makes it 2 wins from 12 games come Saturday. |
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