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Post by timothyq on Oct 21, 2014 7:39:09 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lincolnshire-29688590Anyone else seen this? Would be interested to hear some views, it doesn't look like a bad idea to me. My only concern is fairness where you have more good clubs in the south than the north (and vice versa). I'll be honest to not having paid much attention to the standard of the conference except for gas games, but theoretically, what impact would this have on the standard of play in the conference? Would we have a much stronger southern or northern league? Would the inclusion of 2nd tier conference south teams undermine the standard at the top of the league or do we think the second tier clubs would step up with the opportunity of conference premier football? Or would we be better off with a 12 team league playing each other 4 times as in Scotland? Tim
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2014 7:53:39 GMT
If he wants regionalisation, get relegated.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2014 8:05:20 GMT
The man is clearly a moron.
You don't hear Gloucester City and Oxford City of the Conference North moaning, both have to travel to the likes of Barrow & North Ferriby. If you don't want to play in a national league then as Stu said, get relegated.
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Post by CountyGroundHotel on Oct 21, 2014 8:08:27 GMT
Sounds like a great idea to drag down the standard of Conference football even further
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Post by Peter Parker on Oct 21, 2014 8:11:42 GMT
Sounds like a great idea to drag down the standard of Conference football even further He wants League Two North and League Two South the way I read it, so basically the conference Prem joining the league and then non league would be as it currently is below Conference Prem
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2014 8:12:16 GMT
Regarding Scotland, they've got it horribly wrong as well. I'd have a 18 team top flight with two regional feeder leagues of 12.
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Post by Curly Wurly on Oct 21, 2014 8:54:40 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lincolnshire-29688590Anyone else seen this? Would be interested to hear some views, it doesn't look like a bad idea to me. My only concern is fairness where you have more good clubs in the south than the north (and vice versa). I'll be honest to not having paid much attention to the standard of the conference except for gas games, but theoretically, what impact would this have on the standard of play in the conference? Would we have a much stronger southern or northern league? Would the inclusion of 2nd tier conference south teams undermine the standard at the top of the league or do we think the second tier clubs would step up with the opportunity of conference premier football? Or would we be better off with a 12 team league playing each other 4 times as in Scotland? Tim I'll be honest, that I've supported regionalisation for some time, but from a higher level as well. The leeching of all the money in football to the Premier League and the few well heeled Championship teams makes it hard to make ends meet for many teams. Although the travel budget is not the highest, it is still a significant portion for teams from L1 down. Although I don't have the stats, it makes sense that the further you travel the harder it is to win a game (all other things being equal). In addition, regionalisation makes supporting your team easier away from home and provides more local derbies. I'd suggest Premier League / Championship / L1 North / L1 South / L2 North / L2 South / Conference North / Conference Midlands / Conference South.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Oct 21, 2014 10:25:33 GMT
I'd split it into League 2 Nice Places, and League 2 s**tholes.
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Post by CountyGroundHotel on Oct 21, 2014 10:45:14 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lincolnshire-29688590Anyone else seen this? Would be interested to hear some views, it doesn't look like a bad idea to me. My only concern is fairness where you have more good clubs in the south than the north (and vice versa). I'll be honest to not having paid much attention to the standard of the conference except for gas games, but theoretically, what impact would this have on the standard of play in the conference? Wouldarticlehave a much stronger southern or northern league? Would the inclusion of 2nd tier conference south teams undermine the standard at the top of the league or do we think the second tier clubs would step up with the opportunity of conference premier football? Or would we be better off with a 12 team league playing each other 4 times as in Scotland? Tim I'll be honest, that I've supported regionalisation for some time, but from a higher level as well. The leeching of all the money in football to the Premier League and the few well heeled Championship teams makes it hard to make ends meet for many teams. Although the travel budget is not the highest, it is still a significant portion for teams from L1 down. Although I don't have the stats, it makes sense that the further you travel the harder it is to win a game (all other things being equal). In addition, regionalisation makes supporting your team easier away from home and provides more local derbies. I'd suggest Premier League / Championship / L1 North / L1 South / L2 North / L2 South / Conference North / Conference Midlands / Conference South. Having read the article that is obviously the plan that he envisages. Now if he could come up with a master plan to explain how he will get the league clubs to split the limited money they currently receive from tv etc between another 24 clubs it maybe a goer. But a pretty tough sell, look it'll reduce costs for everyone but then you league clubs will get a smaller slice of the small cake.
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 21, 2014 11:07:01 GMT
It seems a sensible idea but not sure L1 needs to be regionalised as surely does clubs can't meet the transport costs etc?
Does anybody know why Div 3 North & South were ever scrapped as it must have been a nightmare travelling to say Barrow back then, where us now with Motorways it's reasonably easy.
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Post by mancgas has left the building on Oct 21, 2014 12:07:38 GMT
It's fine in principle and does cut costs
The practical issues come when you end up with 40 odd North clubs and less than 20 South clubs and end up with a moving boundry and disputes about who ends up up North, or one league being perceived as easier than the other.
Overall I think its very sensible, and any way which cuts costs and avoids clubs over stretching spend vs income has to be looked at.
I'm damn well sure Plymouth would much rather play 'Turkey' and us than play at Accrington, and Accrington much rather play Wrexham and Southport than Plymouth and Exeter.
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Post by irishrover on Oct 21, 2014 13:27:47 GMT
It is sort of nice to at least see somebody talking about the extent to which the current system is financially unviable and proposing some solutions even if I don't agree with them.
The problem with regionalisation I think is that it changes the perception of the lower league football. The moment it becomes 'not national' it kind of gives media, sponsors etc more of an excuse to ignore it and I think that would be dangerous. I would have at least 3 national leagues - but there may actually be a case for creating a 4th tier out of League 2 and the Conference which was regional. After all the difference has become a bit blurred; whereas it used to be professional vs semi-professional most Conference sides are now professional so it could make sense to expand the league while at the same time reducing costs for lower level teams. Though I take the point about spreading the revenue even thinner. It's not going to happen though so it's really just pie in the sky talk.
Personally I'd like to see more promotion and relegation (maybe 5 up, 5 down right across the board - though obviously Prem would never agree to that) - I think that would spice everything up a bit, render relegation less of a financial disaster for clubs and give more clubs (and therefore more people across the country) more opportunities to get better standard football; I'm not sure it should be as hard to climb the ladder as it is and equally I think it's too easy for clubs at any level to be mediocre for a longtime when they're in need of kick up the backside. But that's the sort of thing that has traditionalists screaming.
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Post by Teigngas on Oct 21, 2014 13:43:04 GMT
Personally I'd like to see more promotion and relegation (maybe 5 up, 5 down right across the board - though obviously Prem would never agree to that) - I think that would spice everything up a bit, render relegation less of a financial disaster for clubs and give more clubs (and therefore more people across the country) more opportunities to get better standard football; I'm not sure it should be as hard to climb the ladder as it is and equally I think it's too easy for clubs at any level to be mediocre for a longtime when they're in need of kick up the backside. But that's the sort of thing that has traditionalists screaming. Christ, we would have been non league ages ago!
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Post by irishrover on Oct 21, 2014 13:56:39 GMT
Personally I'd like to see more promotion and relegation (maybe 5 up, 5 down right across the board - though obviously Prem would never agree to that) - I think that would spice everything up a bit, render relegation less of a financial disaster for clubs and give more clubs (and therefore more people across the country) more opportunities to get better standard football; I'm not sure it should be as hard to climb the ladder as it is and equally I think it's too easy for clubs at any level to be mediocre for a longtime when they're in need of kick up the backside. But that's the sort of thing that has traditionalists screaming. Christ, we would have been non league ages ago! Yes, but being relegated would be less of a big deal for teams under a system like that.
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Post by gas2 on Oct 22, 2014 2:51:49 GMT
it should happen more local derbies bigger crowds bring it on
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Post by Curly Wurly on Oct 22, 2014 9:31:16 GMT
I'll be honest, that I've supported regionalisation for some time, but from a higher level as well. The leeching of all the money in football to the Premier League and the few well heeled Championship teams makes it hard to make ends meet for many teams. Although the travel budget is not the highest, it is still a significant portion for teams from L1 down. Although I don't have the stats, it makes sense that the further you travel the harder it is to win a game (all other things being equal). In addition, regionalisation makes supporting your team easier away from home and provides more local derbies. I'd suggest Premier League / Championship / L1 North / L1 South / L2 North / L2 South / Conference North / Conference Midlands / Conference South. Having read the article that is obviously the plan that he envisages. Now if he could come up with a master plan to explain how he will get the league clubs to split the limited money they currently receive from tv etc between another 24 clubs it maybe a goer. But a pretty tough sell, look it'll reduce costs for everyone but then you league clubs will get a smaller slice of the small cake. I think hands may be forced as I predict that the Championship will soon break away to form Premier League 2. The rest will be left fighting for very small scraps from TV.
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Post by nailseaglassgas on Oct 22, 2014 10:52:33 GMT
Having read the article that is obviously the plan that he envisages. Now if he could come up with a master plan to explain how he will get the league clubs to split the limited money they currently receive from tv etc between another 24 clubs it maybe a goer. But a pretty tough sell, look it'll reduce costs for everyone but then you league clubs will get a smaller slice of the small cake. I think hands may be forced as I predict that the Championship will soon break away to form Premier League 2. The rest will be left fighting for very small scraps from TV. Sometime in the future the top clubs in Europe will break away and form a super European league of their own, away from their own domestic competitions
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Post by Curly Wurly on Oct 22, 2014 14:35:51 GMT
I think hands may be forced as I predict that the Championship will soon break away to form Premier League 2. The rest will be left fighting for very small scraps from TV. Sometime in the future the top clubs in Europe will break away and form a super European league of their own, away from their own domestic competitions Within a decade I suspect and then all bets are off. A European Super League will be more like the NFL. No promotion or relegation, but big city franchise teams. Great for the marketeers, but the death of aspiration for clubs like ours, or City or many other "big clubs". The inevitable consequence of the free market system, or alternatively Marx's "Law of Increasing Poverty". To tell the truth, i feels like Rovers are caught in a cycle of increasing poverty anyway.
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Post by CountyGroundHotel on Oct 22, 2014 14:37:37 GMT
Having read the article that is obviously the plan that he envisages. Now if he could come up with a master plan to explain how he will get the league clubs to split the limited money they currently receive from tv etc between another 24 clubs it maybe a goer. But a pretty tough sell, look it'll reduce costs for everyone but then you league clubs will get a smaller slice of the small cake. I think hands may be forced as I predict that the Championship will soon break away to form Premier League 2. The rest will be left fighting for very small scraps from TV. Therefore even less chance that the remaining league clubs will wantto share ttheir scraps with Conference clubs.
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Post by irishrover on Oct 22, 2014 15:13:21 GMT
I think hands may be forced as I predict that the Championship will soon break away to form Premier League 2. The rest will be left fighting for very small scraps from TV. Sometime in the future the top clubs in Europe will break away and form a super European league of their own, away from their own domestic competitions This has been predicted for a long time and has never happened. I actually think the big clubs do quite well out of remaining massive fish in their relatively small ponds. I think they'd rather have the status quo than risk the potential decline in their reputations if they found themselves struggling in a European Superleagues. This way they have a win-win situations; they're perenially challenging for the big trophies while still raking in the cash from Europe. I find the Champions League pretty tedious because it's the same teams year after year - I'm just about old enough to remember when Europe was just about still a special event which is what made it good. It was exotic and out of the ordinary, now it's pretty mundane and just part of the football treadmill. I honestly find it dull - the only 2 European runs that have caught my imagination in the last 10 years were by Middlesbrough and Fulham in the UEFA Cup because it felt like a specail one off event which is how European football used to be.
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