topman
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Post by topman on Sept 14, 2014 12:13:51 GMT
I am flying to Dubai and then walk down the street in a drunken street with cans of beer in my hands
I am then going to fly to Thailand and criticise their monarchy
Then onto South America and refuse to take off my shoes when I enter a house .......................
or I could just stay at home invade a pitch / punch a horse and fight with the police and then show indignation that I get punished
As an over 60 supporter I have read with dismay some people on this forum criticising sentences handed out to all those who brought shame to our club and made us the laughing stock in the eyes of our rivals
Everyone knows that you don't invade the pitch if you do you expect consequences and frankly anyone doing so ought to be banned forever
The small minority do not 'care' more than then the 'respectful' majority, they don't have more 'passion' or feeling for the club, they didn't 'hurt' anymore than us that we were relegated It is just that the rest of us respect laws whether private or public. To those who think differently do us all a favour and stop your 'support' we can do without it! |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2014 12:38:29 GMT
I am flying to Dubai and then walk down the street in a drunken street with cans of beer in my hands
I am then going to fly to Thailand and criticise their monarchy
Then onto South America and refuse to take off my shoes when I enter a house .......................
or I could just stay at home invade a pitch / punch a horse and fight with the police and then show indignation that I get punished
As an over 60 supporter I have read with dismay some people on this forum criticising sentences handed out to all those who brought shame to our club and made us the laughing stock in the eyes of our rivals
Everyone knows that you don't invade the pitch if you do you expect consequences and frankly anyone doing so ought to be banned forever
The small minority do not 'care' more than then the 'respectful' majority, they don't have more 'passion' or feeling for the club, they didn't 'hurt' anymore than us that we were relegated It is just that the rest of us respect laws whether private or public. To those who think differently do us all a favour and stop your 'support' we can do without it! No your are not. Most people will agree with you |
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Post by bs5 on Sept 14, 2014 13:05:19 GMT
I am flying to Dubai and then walk down the street in a drunken street with cans of beer in my hands
I am then going to fly to Thailand and criticise their monarchy
Then onto South America and refuse to take off my shoes when I enter a house .......................
or I could just stay at home invade a pitch / punch a horse and fight with the police and then show indignation that I get punished
As an over 60 supporter I have read with dismay some people on this forum criticising sentences handed out to all those who brought shame to our club and made us the laughing stock in the eyes of our rivals
Everyone knows that you don't invade the pitch if you do you expect consequences and frankly anyone doing so ought to be banned forever
The small minority do not 'care' more than then the 'respectful' majority, they don't have more 'passion' or feeling for the club, they didn't 'hurt' anymore than us that we were relegated It is just that the rest of us respect laws whether private or public. To those who think differently do us all a favour and stop your 'support' we can do without it! No your are not. Most people will agree with you Sorry but I don't agree, I think that the sentences being handing out are far too harsh, paedophiles are treated with less disdain in my opinion. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2014 13:10:07 GMT
No your are not. Most people will agree with you Sorry but I don't agree, I think that the sentences being handing out are far too harsh, paedophiles are treated with less disdain in my opinion.  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2014 13:11:15 GMT
all the arguments about too harsh sentences,feelings running high etc are all very well but i dont want to see bristol rovers punished with fines or points deductions or the clubs reputation damaged any further.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2014 13:23:07 GMT
No your are not. Most people will agree with you Sorry but I don't agree, I think that the sentences being handing out are far too harsh, paedophiles are treated with less disdain in my opinion. Who cares if these idiots feel the full force of the law? It's not difficult, don't break the law and you won't get in trouble. And from what I saw, untill morons decided to confront the people in the away section, those who just went under Box 1 to demonstrate their disguist at what Higgs, Jelf, King, Bradshaw, Ware and Dunford have done to our club were left to get on with it. Sentences for other offences may well be too leniant, but that's a different subject alltogether. What happened to the City fans in the Mansfield section? I thought their actions constituted incitment, so how many were arrested and what sentences did they receive, anyone know? |
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Post by devonwhite on Sept 14, 2014 13:27:05 GMT
Then you could go and settle in England and make no attempt to integrate, spout religious hatred, expect everyone to adapt to your views and culture rather than the other way around and still get treated better by the establishment than hard working people who made one mistake at the football. I am flying to Dubai and then walk down the street in a drunken street with cans of beer in my hands
I am then going to fly to Thailand and criticise their monarchy
Then onto South America and refuse to take off my shoes when I enter a house .......................
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Post by fingers otoole on Sept 14, 2014 13:41:23 GMT
Then you could go and settle in England and make no attempt to integrate, spout religious hatred, expect everyone to adapt to your views and culture rather than the other way around and still get treated better by the establishment than hard working people who made one mistake at the football. I am flying to Dubai and then walk down the street in a drunken street with cans of beer in my hands
I am then going to fly to Thailand and criticise their monarchy
Then onto South America and refuse to take off my shoes when I enter a house .......................
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2014 14:16:32 GMT
Then you could go and settle in England and make no attempt to integrate, spout religious hatred, expect everyone to adapt to your views and culture rather than the other way around and still get treated better by the establishment than hard working people who made one mistake at the football. Oh God! Here we go again. Its great isnt. The excuses being made for breaking the law is unbelievable |
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Post by devonwhite on Sept 14, 2014 14:27:15 GMT
Oh God! Here we go again. Its great isnt. The excuses being made for breaking the law is unbelievable Am I writing in Swahili or something?! I accept that everyone on that pitch broke the law. It is the severity of the punishment and the inconsistency within our judicial system I am complaining about. |
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Post by bs5 on Sept 14, 2014 14:45:29 GMT
Oh God! Here we go again. Its great isnt. The excuses being made for breaking the law is unbelievable But the law is an ass, and the Police and judicial system are corrupt |
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Post by tbonegas on Sept 14, 2014 14:46:38 GMT
Dont forget to visit Atlantis the Palm,whilst there try the dolphin experience . Also whilst in the UAE dont miss out on a trip to Burj Khalifa.
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Post by stig-of-the-gas on Sept 14, 2014 15:28:55 GMT
You are not alone Topman.
I was standing by the tunnel on the day with my kids which meant we witnessed the players being abused and one attempted assault and of course we were right under box 1 so the vile abuse sailed over our heads.
There was one individual in particular who tried to attack JJOT, twice punched a steward who tried to stop him and who then fought continuously with three stewards who tried to pin him down before doing the same to two policemen. He was spitting, trying to head but, kicking out and mouthing off continuously.
If he got 5 years I wouldn't have complained and he should be banned for life. If anyone out there thinks he was treated too harshly I seriously question your moral compass.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2014 16:09:08 GMT
Its great isnt. The excuses being made for breaking the law is unbelievable But the law is an ass, and the Police and judicial system are corrupt Perhaps But not in regard to football matches |
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Post by Gregory Stevens on Sept 14, 2014 16:09:57 GMT
I'm sure if you're weak of disposition you probably find it intimidating to see and hear angry men. I'm really happy that you find this behaviour so out of the ordinary that you want to see the offenders punished by ending their employment opportunities, sending them to jail for 5 years and other punishments - happy for you that you've been able to not be a little desensitised to it.
After all,seeing an angry mob swearing when you are with your kids is a hugely distressing thing. It's a wonder you could ever recover, perhaps a debt should be imposed to pay for some counselling sessions? I really don't blame you for seeking revenge, you have paid a terrible price which can never really leave you, and your kids most likely will end up screaming in fear at the sight of a football in later life, eventually ending up in a spiral of drink and drugs and slovenly joblessness. If those guys had kept their mouths shut, all our lives could have been spared......
No one is arguing that this shouldn't be stopped and some punishments being administered. However, it's an extremely cowardly action to call for severe punishments for those who have caused you minor offence. Of course, the world is full of nasty so and so's. Some choose to be nasty in your face, as a hooligan. Others sit behind and call for and facilitate harsh legislation for people. Bang em up etc.
If you think 5 years staring at the wall for being aggressive and scuffling in a provocative atmosphere is fair, you are sadist. People get 5 years for armed robbery, so they get life do they? Drunk drivers killing folks, death penalty. Get over your own need to see others suffer and deal with your own suffering.
The comments above re the legal system prioritising minor assault before child rape on the basis of background are valid, and are part and parcel of the argument.
If you've never felt anger, never lost your rag, good for you, but it's altogether nastier thing to wish them to have their lives, freedoms etc ruined because you don't like them. Its not rational to wish them this ill considering you've not been a victim to any real extent.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2014 16:10:15 GMT
Its great isnt. The excuses being made for breaking the law is unbelievable Am I writing in Swahili or something?! I accept that everyone on that pitch broke the law. It is the severity of the punishment and the inconsistency within our judicial system I am complaining about. maybe, but that is why the judiciary are indpendent (allegedly) |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2014 16:18:58 GMT
I'm sure if you're weak of disposition you probably find it intimidating to see and hear angry men. I'm really happy that you find this behaviour so out of the ordinary that you want to see the offenders punished by ending their employment opportunities, sending them to jail for 5 years and other punishments - happy for you that you've been able to not be a little desensitised to it. After all,seeing an angry mob swearing when you are with your kids is a hugely distressing thing. It's a wonder you could ever recover, perhaps a debt should be imposed to pay for some counselling sessions? I really don't blame you for seeking revenge, you have paid a terrible price which can never really leave you, and your kids most likely will end up screaming in fear at the sight of a football in later life, eventually ending up in a spiral of drink and drugs and slovenly joblessness. If those guys had kept their mouths shut, all our lives could have been spared...... No one is arguing that this shouldn't be stopped and some punishments being administered. However, it's an extremely cowardly action to call for severe punishments for those who have caused you minor offence. Of course, the world is full of nasty so and so's. Some choose to be nasty in your face, as a hooligan. Others sit behind and call for and facilitate harsh legislation for people. Bang em up etc. If you think 5 years staring at the wall for being aggressive and scuffling in a provocative atmosphere is fair, you are sadist. People get 5 years for armed robbery, so they get life do they? Drunk drivers killing folks, death penalty. Get over your own need to see others suffer and deal with your own suffering. The comments above re the legal system prioritising minor assault before child rape on the basis of background are valid, and are part and parcel of the argument. If you've never felt anger, never lost your rag, good for you, but it's altogether nastier thing to wish them to have their lives, freedoms etc ruined because you don't like them. Its not rational to wish them this ill considering you've not been a victim to any real extent. Ignoring the sarcasm, the rules on the statute book are the rules put on by our elected Parliament. There are many rules I dont agree, there are many sentancing guidlines I feel are draconian. The proposals to remove the system of trial by jury makes my blood run cold. The inconsistency in sentencing baffling and frustrating. But I dont go about changing them by acting like an out of control yob at a public event and neither do I use my background and up bringing as the basis for my responses. Itsca bit pathetic and an insult to probably most of the people you quote. |
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Post by stig-of-the-gas on Sept 14, 2014 16:21:18 GMT
I'm sure if you're weak of disposition you probably find it intimidating to see and hear angry men. I'm really happy that you find this behaviour so out of the ordinary that you want to see the offenders punished by ending their employment opportunities, sending them to jail for 5 years and other punishments - happy for you that you've been able to not be a little desensitised to it. After all,seeing an angry mob swearing when you are with your kids is a hugely distressing thing. It's a wonder you could ever recover, perhaps a debt should be imposed to pay for some counselling sessions? I really don't blame you for seeking revenge, you have paid a terrible price which can never really leave you, and your kids most likely will end up screaming in fear at the sight of a football in later life, eventually ending up in a spiral of drink and drugs and slovenly joblessness. If those guys had kept their mouths shut, all our lives could have been spared...... No one is arguing that this shouldn't be stopped and some punishments being administered. However, it's an extremely cowardly action to call for severe punishments for those who have caused you minor offence. Of course, the world is full of nasty so and so's. Some choose to be nasty in your face, as a hooligan. Others sit behind and call for and facilitate harsh legislation for people. Bang em up etc. If you think 5 years staring at the wall for being aggressive and scuffling in a provocative atmosphere is fair, you are sadist. People get 5 years for armed robbery, so they get life do they? Drunk drivers killing folks, death penalty. Get over your own need to see others suffer and deal with your own suffering. The comments above re the legal system prioritising minor assault before child rape on the basis of background are valid, and are part and parcel of the argument. If you've never felt anger, never lost your rag, good for you, but it's altogether nastier thing to wish them to have their lives, freedoms etc ruined because you don't like them. Its not rational to wish them this ill considering you've not been a victim to any real extent. As I said, I seriously question your moral compass. Two wrongs do not make a right. Just because some people get off lightly doesn't mean it's wrong when others receive fair justice. I hope the person witnessed is the one who received 6 months as he deserves it and all the consequences of his actions. If he loses his job he has no one else to blame but himself. For me it is simple, if we want to live in a civilised country we cannot accept uncivilised behaviour. I don't know the exact circumstances of the others but that guy I witnessed with my own eyes, if he got 6 months I think he was lucky. |
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Post by bs5 on Sept 14, 2014 16:27:12 GMT
But the law is an ass, and the Police and judicial system are corrupt Perhaps But not in regard to football matches Sorry but it is in regards to football matches, I personally know of many football fans that have been dealt with harshly by the law, some even being victimised for guilt by association. |
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topman
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Post by topman on Sept 14, 2014 16:48:14 GMT
From OP : can someone explain to me
1) why 'normal' football fans have to put up with behaviour that only afflicts our sport and not others and therefore why we should make a 'special case' for those that contravene rules and requests?
2) why we should have any sympathy for the sentencing levels of any of the fans involved / found guilty
Maybe I am the 'mad' one!
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