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Post by toteend3 on Nov 18, 2023 10:10:19 GMT
It’s now a clear three way race, and it’s gone a little bit political, it’s all Sutch a Kierfuffle, and its not even Stammer time, it all making me feel somewhat Riski to the Sunak
Therefore with only 12 days to go we drop the two under performers, Relegation and Mavis.
The turn out has been exceptional, bearing in mind the awful weather so thanks to you all for that.
So round Two beckons and it’s time to take it a little more seriously -Can the Gas get Promotion in the next couple of years?
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Post by The Concept on Nov 18, 2023 10:27:15 GMT
Can Rovers get promoted in the next couple of years? - Yes, of course they can.
If the likes of Yeovil, Wycombe, Rotherham, and Plymouth can, then we certainly should be able to too.
And many believe we have the best squad ever.
And the new owner hints we have a top 8 budget.
Will Rovers get promoted in the next couple of years? - Dunno.
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Post by oldie on Nov 18, 2023 11:10:46 GMT
What a load of bollox. Does anyone believe the current team is good enough for the Championship?.
Most of the better players are on loan to us or whose contracts run out next summer.
Another rebuild and start from scratch.
And repeat.
We all live in hope, but we are stuck.
A non communicative board, B***** for two years who achieved nothing apart from pi**ING a lot of people off, no manager for weeks...
Christ it's a mess
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Post by TaiwanGas on Nov 18, 2023 11:20:48 GMT
The current team looks good on paper but are L1 average on the grass. Nothing against AM but cannot convince myself he is the right man to lead this team to promotion, so it’s a no from me for going up in next couple of years. A new Manager that fits & 3-5 years perhaps….
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Post by toteend3 on Nov 18, 2023 13:37:10 GMT
Well there are 2 teams (never mind the Championship) one who’s now well established in the Premier, which is AFC Bournemouth and another, Luton Town, who had recently languished in the Conference for five years, finally escaping nine years ago.
Both historically smaller clubs than us, and currently have ground capacity of 11500 and 11300 respectively so. for me,, Championship football in the next couple of years should regarded as a minimum aspersion.
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Post by swissgas on Nov 18, 2023 15:48:15 GMT
Well there are 2 teams (never mind the Championship) one who’s now well established in the Premier, which is AFC Bournemouth and another, Luton Town, who had recently languished in the Conference for five years, finally escaping nine years ago. Both historically smaller clubs than us, and currently have ground capacity of 11500 and 11300 respectively so. for me,, Championship football in the next couple of years should regarded as a minimum aspersion. UTG We’ve been told by Hussain Al-Saeed there is no rush because he wants to steadily build the infrastructure so that when we get to the Championship we shall be able to stay there. I think what he means is that Rovers will need substantially increased revenue streams to be able to finance a playing budget to keep the team at that level which is where Wycombe, Burton and Yeovil struggled. Rovers certainly have better potential than many clubs to generate the extra revenue but further structures like the South Stand won’t do that. We haven’t averaged over 10 000 at home for nearly fifty years and throwing vast sums of money at the playing budget in the hope that crowds will increase is a reckless gamble as this years figure of under 8000 shows. I’ve heard that some of the new directors are season ticket holders at a London Premier League club and have contacts there who are providing advice. If this is true then I’m sure the advice will be to move forward in a carefully planned way rather than continuing with the hasty unthought gambles we’ve had over the past seven years. |
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Nov 19, 2023 10:05:34 GMT
What a load of bollox. Does anyone believe the current team is good enough for the Championship?. Most of the better players are on loan to us or whose contracts run out next summer. Another rebuild and start from scratch. And repeat. We all live in hope, but we are stuck. A non communicative board, B***** for two years who achieved nothing apart from pi**ING a lot of people off, no manager for weeks... Christ it's a mess Maybe. When you look at the teams or clubs in and around the mix, you can apply some of that to Stevenage, Barnsley and Blackpool, Derby. The B***** point, apart. Do you think Stevenage are good enough for Champ football? But the fact is those teams are up there. We are breathing down their neck with games in hand. I still think we are lacking in some places, but at the start of the season thought we would flirt with play offs, but it's going to take a monumental shift in quality and playing at the top of your game consistency. |
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Post by eppinggas on Nov 19, 2023 10:22:22 GMT
I think the new owners are doing a good job at managing expectation, in sharp contrast to Wael and the previous manager. Whatever his name was.
Talk of promotion in the next couple of years is IMHO premature and will lead to resentment if it doesn't happen.
Personally I am hoping for financial sustainability, management stability, and a coherent plan as to how to develop the Memorial Stadium first and foremost. Once these major places are in place, hell why not? Promotion in 4-5 years time. We've waited 30 (thirty, yes thirty) years - so let's not have one season in the championsh*t based on luck & chemistry, just to get relegated again.
Let's build solid foundations and establish ourselves at the top end of League 1, and then plan for a promotion that could see us compete and stay in tier 2.
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Post by oldie on Nov 19, 2023 11:41:58 GMT
I think the new owners are doing a good job at managing expectation, in sharp contrast to Wael and the previous manager. Whatever his name was. Talk of promotion in the next couple of years is IMHO premature and will lead to resentment if it doesn't happen. Personally I am hoping for financial sustainability, management stability, and a coherent plan as to how to develop the Memorial Stadium first and foremost. Once these major places are in place, hell why not? Promotion in 4-5 years time. We've waited 30 (thirty, yes thirty) years - so let's not have one season in the championsh*t based on luck & chemistry, just to get relegated again. Let's build solid foundations and establish ourselves at the top end of League 1, and then plan for a promotion that could see us compete and stay in tier 2. Agreed, in part. But a plan, any plan, has to start somewhere. I may have missed it, but have gone past "start" on that plan? Interesting that O2 raised the example of Stevenage. Because that is a very well run club, under the stewardship of the chairman Phil Wallace. I used to live just down the road (Welwyn Garden City) and often went to games there. When he took over the club was in a mess and struggling in what is now the National League. The ground was a mess. He transformed that club which now has a very decent stadium, a new training facility and a recent new stand financed by a bond issue of which fans contributed £600,000. They are fourth in L1 after joining the EFL in 2002. Just had a look at their last Companies House submission, they reported £900k in cash at hand/Bank and Retained Earnings of £1Million plus. Then look at us. Btw, their ground, now modern with training facilities to match, holds circa 8,000. I wonder if the owner/chairman there, Phil Wallace, built and opened all those new facilities there without going through the proper local authority planning procedures? I still contend our club is a complete mess, run by people who it appears could not organise the proverbial pi** up in a brewery, whilst we hope and pray some unknown people from Kuwait will deliver us from this mess. It brings our situation into sharp relief when being almost silent is seen as a sign of professionalism. |
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Post by warehamgas on Nov 19, 2023 13:55:12 GMT
Well there are 2 teams (never mind the Championship) one who’s now well established in the Premier, which is AFC Bournemouth and another, Luton Town, who had recently languished in the Conference for five years, finally escaping nine years ago. Both historically smaller clubs than us, and currently have ground capacity of 11500 and 11300 respectively so. for me,, Championship football in the next couple of years should regarded as a minimum aspersion. UTG Don’t know much about Luton but the comparison with AFCB is a good one. Even their ground is not too different from ours insofar as it has a similar capacity. It also has a temporary South Stand which is about 10 years old. Neat enough but nothing special in PL terms. From a football pov BRFC had been far better run than AFCB up until the last 10 years or so. AFCB were a true mess before the local business man Eddie Mitchell took over and got them on a better financial setting before selling to Max Denim. All that could be possible at Rovers but for one thing, Eddie Howe. Hard to believe that Bournemouth discovered the best English manager of a generation. (I really believe if Man U had appointed him instead of some of the deadbeats that they have done they would now be challenging Man C. They didn’t appoint him because the failures running them didn’t take the chance on him due to no European experience.) Rovers will not have the best English manager managing them and the fact that AFCB did is down to luck and having no money. He was appointed when they were in League 2, after nearly losing his job as a youth coach weeks before. He had been player-coach under Kevin B but was sacked as well when Bond was sacked in 2008/2009. Came back as a youth coach under Jimmy Quinn and became interim manager when Quinn went. Lost his first game at Darlington as a manager. I have no doubt no Eddie Howe, no AFCB Premier League. (Despite Max Denim’s money) So yes, it’s a good comparison football club against football club. But AFCB had Eddie Howe and few football clubs are that lucky. UTG! |
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Post by warehamgas on Nov 19, 2023 14:00:56 GMT
The current team looks good on paper but are L1 average on the grass. Nothing against AM but cannot convince myself he is the right man to lead this team to promotion, so it’s a no from me for going up in next couple of years. A new Manager that fits & 3-5 years perhaps…. That makes complete sense Taiwan. But…. which manager gets 3 years nowadays, let alone 5 years? The life of a lower league, even a PL manager is little over 2 years, if that. So yes I think AM has done ok and will probably get the job but I’m not sure long term he’s the answer, but no one gets long term these days. AM not everyone’s favourite but who is? I’d love to appoint a manager who would stay for 5 years but that doesn’t happen now, unless the candidate is someone special. (See my last post!!😉) UTG! |
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Post by swissgas on Nov 19, 2023 14:41:04 GMT
I think the new owners are doing a good job at managing expectation, in sharp contrast to Wael and the previous manager. Whatever his name was. Talk of promotion in the next couple of years is IMHO premature and will lead to resentment if it doesn't happen. Personally I am hoping for financial sustainability, management stability, and a coherent plan as to how to develop the Memorial Stadium first and foremost. Once these major places are in place, hell why not? Promotion in 4-5 years time. We've waited 30 (thirty, yes thirty) years - so let's not have one season in the championsh*t based on luck & chemistry, just to get relegated again. Let's build solid foundations and establish ourselves at the top end of League 1, and then plan for a promotion that could see us compete and stay in tier 2. . I still contend our club is a complete mess, run by people who it appears could not organise the proverbial pi** up in a brewery, whilst we hope and pray some unknown people from Kuwait will deliver us from this mess. It brings our situation into sharp relief when being almost silent is seen as a sign of professionalism. The provisional wing of the BRSC ( Kentucky Branch) would be delighted to welcome you as a member. Looking forward to receiving your subscription. Fraternal Greetings Roy Kinnear. Hon Sec. |
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Post by TaiwanGas on Nov 19, 2023 14:49:32 GMT
The current team looks good on paper but are L1 average on the grass. Nothing against AM but cannot convince myself he is the right man to lead this team to promotion, so it’s a no from me for going up in next couple of years. A new Manager that fits & 3-5 years perhaps…. That makes complete sense Taiwan. But…. which manager gets 3 years nowadays, let alone 5 years? The life of a lower league, even a PL manager is little over 2 years, if that. So yes I think AM has done ok and will probably get the job but I’m not sure long term he’s the answer, but no one gets long term these days. AM not everyone’s favourite but who is? I’d love to appoint a manager who would stay for 5 years but that doesn’t happen now, unless the candidate is someone special. (See my last post!!😉) UTG! I agree It is looking likely that AM will get the Managers job at least till the end of the season. In closed season a new appointment and big clear out of backroom staff and a restart, hence 3-5 years if all goes well. Cannot see us going up in the next couple. |
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Post by oldie on Nov 19, 2023 14:56:19 GMT
. I still contend our club is a complete mess, run by people who it appears could not organise the proverbial pi** up in a brewery, whilst we hope and pray some unknown people from Kuwait will deliver us from this mess. It brings our situation into sharp relief when being almost silent is seen as a sign of professionalism. The provisional wing of the BRSC ( Kentucky Branch) would be delighted to welcome you as a member. Looking forward to receiving your subscription. Fraternal Greetings Roy Kinnear. Hon Sec. 😂😂😂 |
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Post by swissgas on Nov 19, 2023 15:03:18 GMT
I think the new owners are doing a good job at managing expectation, in sharp contrast to Wael and the previous manager. Whatever his name was. Talk of promotion in the next couple of years is IMHO premature and will lead to resentment if it doesn't happen. Personally I am hoping for financial sustainability, management stability, and a coherent plan as to how to develop the Memorial Stadium first and foremost. Once these major places are in place, hell why not? Promotion in 4-5 years time. We've waited 30 (thirty, yes thirty) years - so let's not have one season in the championsh*t based on luck & chemistry, just to get relegated again. Let's build solid foundations and establish ourselves at the top end of League 1, and then plan for a promotion that could see us compete and stay in tier 2. Agreed, in part. But a plan, any plan, has to start somewhere. I may have missed it, but have gone past "start" on that plan? Interesting that O2 raised the example of Stevenage. Because that is a very well run club, under the stewardship of the chairman Phil Wallace. I used to live just down the road (Welwyn Garden City) and often went to games there. When he took over the club was in a mess and struggling in what is now the National League. The ground was a mess. He transformed that club which now has a very decent stadium, a new training facility and a recent new stand financed by a bond issue of which fans contributed £600,000. They are fourth in L1 after joining the EFL in 2002. Just had a look at their last Companies House submission, they reported £900k in cash at hand/Bank and Retained Earnings of £1Million plus. Then look at us. Btw, their ground, now modern with training facilities to match, holds circa 8,000. I wonder if the owner/chairman there, Phil Wallace, built and opened all those new facilities there without going through the proper local authority planning procedures? I still contend our club is a complete mess, run by people who it appears could not organise the proverbial pi** up in a brewery, whilst we hope and pray some unknown people from Kuwait will deliver us from this mess. It brings our situation into sharp relief when being almost silent is seen as a sign of professionalism. All joking aside Oldie I think Stevenage is a good example and a few years ago posted a video they had produced to showcase their training ground. When I’ve compared us with other clubs in the past people immediately jumped in and said “ he wants us to be like Shrewsbury, Exeter, Stevenage . . . etc” but they were completely missing the point. The point is that Rovers have much more potential than those clubs but only if we manage our resources properly. At the moment we are mismanaging our resources to the extent that we are spending nearly twice as much in order to be able to compete with these clubs while at the same time, quality wise, our facilities are inferior. I hope the Al-Saeeds are working away in the background to formulate a plan and are taking advice from people who have experience of success in the football business. |
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Post by warehamgas on Nov 20, 2023 9:41:24 GMT
Well there are 2 teams (never mind the Championship) one who’s now well established in the Premier, which is AFC Bournemouth and another, Luton Town, who had recently languished in the Conference for five years, finally escaping nine years ago. Both historically smaller clubs than us, and currently have ground capacity of 11500 and 11300 respectively so. for me,, Championship football in the next couple of years should regarded as a minimum aspersion. UTG Don’t know much about Luton but the comparison with AFCB is a good one. Even their ground is not too different from ours insofar as it has a similar capacity. It also has a temporary South Stand which is about 10 years old. Neat enough but nothing special in PL terms. From a football pov BRFC had been far better run than AFCB up until the last 10 years or so. AFCB were a true mess before the local business man Eddie Mitchell took over and got them on a better financial setting before selling to Max Denim. All that could be possible at Rovers but for one thing, Eddie Howe. Hard to believe that Bournemouth discovered the best English manager of a generation. (I really believe if Man U had appointed him instead of some of the deadbeats that they have done they would now be challenging Man C. They didn’t appoint him because the failures running them didn’t take the chance on him due to no European experience.) Rovers will not have the best English manager managing them and the fact that AFCB did is down to luck and having no money. He was appointed when they were in League 2, after nearly losing his job as a youth coach weeks before. He had been player-coach under Kevin B but was sacked as well when Bond was sacked in 2008/2009. Came back as a youth coach under Jimmy Quinn and became interim manager when Quinn went. Lost his first game at Darlington as a manager. I have no doubt no Eddie Howe, no AFCB Premier League. (Despite Max Denim’s money) So yes, it’s a good comparison football club against football club. But AFCB had Eddie Howe and few football clubs are that lucky. UTG! To finish the comparison, and I’d forgotten, but in 2008/09 both AFCB and Luton were deducted points, Luton -30 and AFCB about 14, I can’t quite remember exactly. Luton couldn’t recover and went out of the league. AFCB did recover and scored 10 mins before the end of their penultimate match v Grimsby to save themselves. The next home game for AFCB is v Luton in the PL !! Quite a recovery for both teams. Just shows it can be done and gives hope to every lower league club. UTG! |
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Post by toteend3 on Nov 20, 2023 12:04:10 GMT
Spot on! really good input - Two lost causes have achieved the impossible - and they do say things happen in threes - We could well be the third ‘basket case’ to make it to the Premier Lesgue - City mind the gap!
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Post by Bamber Gashead on Nov 20, 2023 13:38:45 GMT
Spot on! really good input - Two lost causes have achieved the impossible - and they do say things happen in threes - We could well be the third ‘basket case’ to make it to the Premier Lesgue - City mind the gap! UTG Loving this positivity here. PS. Don't let the other place know...  |
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Post by oldie on Nov 20, 2023 20:38:21 GMT
Reads like a copy of the Beano
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Post by toteend3 on Nov 21, 2023 7:39:47 GMT
Reads like a copy of the Beano For Roy of the Rovers stuff it would be found in the Tiger, tho at the time I preferred the Victor. UTG |
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