kingswood Polak
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Post by kingswood Polak on May 25, 2023 15:13:16 GMT
There you go! Who says I give "unquestioning support"? I've said it before and can only say again - it seems be a case of "if you are not with us you must be agin us". JB said almost exactly that last year. He said he didn't want negativity at the club but what he really meant was that he didn't want anybody to challenge him which is typical of someone who is insecure and not really confident about what they say or do. And he isn't challenged because so many people think they are being loyal to Rovers by keeping quiet. When he makes disparaging remarks about Steve Cotterill's style of play or Neil Dewsnip's knowledge of the game he makes himself look stupid within football and that reflects badly on Rovers. When he makes excuses about his budget being uncompetitive with the top teams he is never asked why his team performance is inferior to those with budgets half the size he has enjoyed at Rovers. And when things go wrong he hides behind "I'm a young manager learning his trade" (his words) and people love to repeat that. But nobody has the courage to say to him "hold on JB, the managers of the teams which came first and second in League 1 are younger than you, they never played in the Premier League and this is their first managerial job". You are your darned facts 😂
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Post by baselswh on May 25, 2023 17:14:06 GMT
There you go! Who says I give "unquestioning support"? I've said it before and can only say again - it seems be a case of "if you are not with us you must be agin us". JB said almost exactly that last year. He said he didn't want negativity at the club but what he really meant was that he didn't want anybody to challenge him which is typical of someone who is insecure and not really confident about what they say or do. And he isn't challenged because so many people think they are being loyal to Rovers by keeping quiet. When he makes disparaging remarks about Steve Cotterill's style of play or Neil Dewsnip's knowledge of the game he makes himself look stupid within football and that reflects badly on Rovers. When he makes excuses about his budget being uncompetitive with the top teams he is never asked why his team performance is inferior to those with budgets half the size he has enjoyed at Rovers.  And when things go wrong he hides behind "I'm a young manager learning his trade" (his words) and people love to repeat that. But nobody has the courage to say to him "hold on JB, the managers of the teams which came first and second in League 1 are younger than you, they never played in the Premier League and this is their first managerial job". A leader and a FC need everybody involved pulling in the same direction. That's how successful FCs go about it. Your attitude is destructive Swiss. JB is perfectly correct in not wanting moaners causing trouble,unwelcome negativity just because they would prefer things run a different way.Creepy little cliques need worming out of the club.JB did that successfully and I think it a bloody good job. It's commonsense to try your best to 'follow the leader'.You may march to the top of the hill and back to the bottom, but you march t o g e t h e r. At the Mem,Cotterills Shrews were the worst time wasting cheats I've ever seen. JB is entitled to say what kind of football he admires or not. Most football fans just shrug their shoulders and do not think badly of Bristol Rovers. JB has given Rovers a good reputation for playing and looking after excellent young players.Contacts all over England. Rovers had a decent enough first season back in the 3rd tier.He's told us he's generally disappointed in it because we did'nt challenge. He's had a good look at the good,bad and ugly of it and has a good idea how to improve things for next time and challenge.
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Post by oldie on May 25, 2023 17:36:27 GMT
JB said almost exactly that last year. He said he didn't want negativity at the club but what he really meant was that he didn't want anybody to challenge him which is typical of someone who is insecure and not really confident about what they say or do. And he isn't challenged because so many people think they are being loyal to Rovers by keeping quiet. When he makes disparaging remarks about Steve Cotterill's style of play or Neil Dewsnip's knowledge of the game he makes himself look stupid within football and that reflects badly on Rovers. When he makes excuses about his budget being uncompetitive with the top teams he is never asked why his team performance is inferior to those with budgets half the size he has enjoyed at Rovers.  And when things go wrong he hides behind "I'm a young manager learning his trade" (his words) and people love to repeat that. But nobody has the courage to say to him "hold on JB, the managers of the teams which came first and second in League 1 are younger than you, they never played in the Premier League and this is their first managerial job". A leader and a FC need everybody involved pulling in the same direction. That's how successful FCs go about it. Your attitude is destructive Swiss. JB is perfectly correct in not wanting moaners causing trouble,unwelcome negativity just because they would prefer things run a different way.Creepy little cliques need worming out of the club.JB did that successfully and I think it a bloody good job. It's commonsense to try your best to 'follow the leader'.You may march to the top of the hill and back to the bottom, but you march t o g e t h e r. At the Mem,Cotterills Shrews were the worst time wasting cheats I've ever seen. JB is entitled to say what kind of football he admires or not. Most football fans just shrug their shoulders and do not think badly of Bristol Rovers. JB has given Rovers a good reputation for playing and looking after excellent young players.Contacts all over England. Rovers had a decent enough first season back in the 3rd tier.He's told us he's generally disappointed in it because we did'nt challenge. He's had a good look at the good,bad and ugly of it and has a good idea how to improve things for next time and challenge. Alright, own up, who is in the new "worm" clique? We need to know
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Post by baselswh on May 25, 2023 17:43:17 GMT
A leader and a FC need everybody involved pulling in the same direction. That's how successful FCs go about it. Your attitude is destructive Swiss. JB is perfectly correct in not wanting moaners causing trouble,unwelcome negativity just because they would prefer things run a different way.Creepy little cliques need worming out of the club.JB did that successfully and I think it a bloody good job. It's commonsense to try your best to 'follow the leader'.You may march to the top of the hill and back to the bottom, but you march t o g e t h e r. At the Mem,Cotterills Shrews were the worst time wasting cheats I've ever seen. JB is entitled to say what kind of football he admires or not. Most football fans just shrug their shoulders and do not think badly of Bristol Rovers. JB has given Rovers a good reputation for playing and looking after excellent young players.Contacts all over England. Rovers had a decent enough first season back in the 3rd tier.He's told us he's generally disappointed in it because we did'nt challenge. He's had a good look at the good,bad and ugly of it and has a good idea how to improve things for next time and challenge. Alright, own up, who is in the new "worm" clique? We need to know JB got rid of them,so not to worry.
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Post by oldie on May 25, 2023 17:52:45 GMT
Alright, own up, who is in the new "worm" clique? We need to know JB got rid of them,so not to worry. How does anyone join?
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Post by baselswh on May 25, 2023 17:55:18 GMT
JB got rid of them,so not to worry. How does anyone join? Well you would need to be involved in fc first,something you're particularly inexperienced in.
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Post by oldie on May 25, 2023 18:16:52 GMT
Well you would need to be involved in fc first,something you're particularly inexperienced in. How do you know?
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Post by baselswh on May 25, 2023 18:20:52 GMT
Well you would need to be involved in fc first,something you're particularly inexperienced in. How do you know? I'm not really bothered,but I think you would of mentioned such experience if it existed.
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Post by oldie on May 25, 2023 19:07:39 GMT
I'm not really bothered,but I think you would of mentioned such experience if it existed. 😜😂😂 So, basically making it up
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Post by baselswh on May 25, 2023 19:12:13 GMT
I'm not really bothered,but I think you would of mentioned such experience if it existed. 😜😂😂 So, basically making it up Educated guess and I'm right,ar'nt I. I mean it shows from what you took from my response to Swiss. You don't get it. Now,stop following me about please ( it's creepy ) ,just because you think you're allowed to now because I suggested maybe a change of Adim.
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Post by oldie on May 25, 2023 19:26:25 GMT
😜😂😂 So, basically making it up Educated guess and I'm right,ar'nt I. I mean it shows from what you took from my response to Swiss. You don't get it. Now,stop following me about please ( it's creepy ) ,just because you think you're allowed to now because I suggested maybe a change of Adim. Honestly I don't. I asked you a question based upon something you posted and you made an assertion when you have no idea. A bit like you suggesting TWD's departure was partially down to me (which others corrected you on. But you are right, I shouldn't bother, not even in jest. The silliness is there for all to see. Enjoy
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Post by baselswh on May 25, 2023 19:43:07 GMT
Educated guess and I'm right,ar'nt I. I mean it shows from what you took from my response to Swiss. You don't get it. Now,stop following me about please ( it's creepy ) ,just because you think you're allowed to now because I suggested maybe a change of Adim. Honestly I don't. I asked you a question based upon something you posted and you made an assertion when you have no idea. A bit like you suggesting TWD's departure was partially down to me (which others corrected you on. But you are right, I shouldn't bother, not even in jest. The silliness is there for all to see. Enjoy I said TWD did'nt like your style and I imagineit played a role in his departure.Try not to worry about it. I was right about your inexperience of within a fc.You and Swiss (especially you) don't like certain types,you would be found basically sulking in a corner of a changing room or training pitch,or bar,bitching,gossiping and scheming. No good in a team environment. You don't get it.
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Post by baselswh on May 25, 2023 20:45:08 GMT
Well Dr Faustus kindly popped in to clear up any doubts on a couple of things.
Now he goes - like far too many others - under the name "deleted".
It's a shame.
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Post by oldie on May 25, 2023 20:48:15 GMT
Honestly I don't. I asked you a question based upon something you posted and you made an assertion when you have no idea. A bit like you suggesting TWD's departure was partially down to me (which others corrected you on. But you are right, I shouldn't bother, not even in jest. The silliness is there for all to see. Enjoy I said TWD did'nt like your style and I imagineit played a role in his departure.Try not to worry about it. I was right about your inexperience of within a fc.You and Swiss (especially you) don't like certain types,you would be found basically sulking in a corner of a changing room or training pitch,or bar,bitching,gossiping and scheming. No good in a team environment. You don't get it. ðŸ¤ðŸ¤ðŸ¤
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Post by Bath Gas on May 25, 2023 21:43:36 GMT
There you go! Who says I give "unquestioning support"? I've said it before and can only say again - it seems be a case of "if you are not with us you must be agin us". JB said almost exactly that last year. He said he didn't want negativity at the club but what he really meant was that he didn't want anybody to challenge him which is typical of someone who is insecure and not really confident about what they say or do. And he isn't challenged because so many people think they are being loyal to Rovers by keeping quiet. When he makes disparaging remarks about Steve Cotterill's style of play or Neil Dewsnip's knowledge of the game he makes himself look stupid within football and that reflects badly on Rovers. When he makes excuses about his budget being uncompetitive with the top teams he is never asked why his team performance is inferior to those with budgets half the size he has enjoyed at Rovers. And when things go wrong he hides behind "I'm a young manager learning his trade" (his words) and people love to repeat that. But nobody has the courage to say to him "hold on JB, the managers of the teams which came first and second in League 1 are younger than you, they never played in the Premier League and this is their first managerial job". Now you are putting words into JB's mouth - negativity and challenge are not the same thing. The First Team staff and players have input to discussions, they are not expected to be "yes" men, and they are the personnel that matter. Outside of that circle, in a professional sporting environment you don't want negative people getting in the ears of players. The Plymouth manager became a First Team Coach in January 2018, so was able to learn first hand from the Manager he was working with, before becoming a Manager himself. He would have been one year below B***** at school - by the time they've reached their mid 30's I think that age difference is negligible. The Ipswich manager was involved in the U18's coaching set ups at Spurs and Manchester United from 2015, after sadly having to retire from playing at a young age, due to a bad injury. He became a First Team Coach at Manchester United in July 2018, initially working under Jose Mourinho - quite a decent person to learn the trade from, I'd say. B***** entered management in April 2018, without having any experience of being involved in the management/coaching set up at a club. He had the knowledge which he had picked up from people who had managed him as a player, and then learnt on the job. Playing in the Premier League makes you aware of the what is required both on and off the pitch for a team to be successful, however, it does not guarantee that somebody will be a good manager - see Gary Neville for further details. I am not in any way looking to detract from the great achievements from the Plymouth and Ipswich managers, just putting some meat on the bones, which shows that they are not quite the inexperienced young guns which you made them out to be. Hence why nobody has had "courage" to put your statement to B*****, it's like a house built on sand - no substance.
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Post by oldie on May 25, 2023 22:06:36 GMT
JB said almost exactly that last year. He said he didn't want negativity at the club but what he really meant was that he didn't want anybody to challenge him which is typical of someone who is insecure and not really confident about what they say or do. And he isn't challenged because so many people think they are being loyal to Rovers by keeping quiet. When he makes disparaging remarks about Steve Cotterill's style of play or Neil Dewsnip's knowledge of the game he makes himself look stupid within football and that reflects badly on Rovers. When he makes excuses about his budget being uncompetitive with the top teams he is never asked why his team performance is inferior to those with budgets half the size he has enjoyed at Rovers.  And when things go wrong he hides behind "I'm a young manager learning his trade" (his words) and people love to repeat that. But nobody has the courage to say to him "hold on JB, the managers of the teams which came first and second in League 1 are younger than you, they never played in the Premier League and this is their first managerial job". Now you are putting words into JB's mouth - negativity and challenge are not the same thing. The First Team staff and players have input to discussions, they are not expected to be "yes" men, and they are the personnel that matter. Outside of that circle, in a professional sporting environment you don't want negative people getting in the ears of players. The Plymouth manager became a First Team Coach in January 2018, so was able to learn first hand from the Manager he was working with, before becoming a Manager himself. He would have been one year below B***** at school - by the time they've reached their mid 30's I think that age difference is negligible. The Ipswich manager was involved in the U18's coaching set ups at Spurs and Manchester United from 2015, after sadly having to retire from playing at a young age, due to a bad injury. He became a First Team Coach at Manchester United in July 2018, initially working under Jose Mourinho - quite a decent person to learn the trade from, I'd say. B***** entered management in April 2018, without having any experience of being involved in the management/coaching set up at a club. He had the knowledge which he had picked up from people who had managed him as a player, and then learnt on the job. Playing in the Premier League makes you aware of the what is required both on and off the pitch for a team to be successful, however, it does not guarantee that somebody will be a good manager - see Gary Neville for further details. I am not in any way looking to detract from the great achievements from the Plymouth and Ipswich managers, just putting some meat on the bones, which shows that they are not quite the inexperienced young guns which you made them out to be. Hence why nobody has had "courage" to put your statement to B*****, it's like a house built on sand - no substance. Taking your points, there is an argument then that B***** lacks the experience to be a first team manager? Then add in the personal drama (by comparison to the two you quote) that brings with him and it looks even more like a duff appointment. To be real he came into Rovers shouting from the hilltops about professionalism but you are saying he didn't (or doesn't) have the experience to back up his critique? I presume he has the same degree of coaching badges the other two have?
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Post by TaiwanGas on May 26, 2023 0:11:55 GMT
JB said almost exactly that last year. He said he didn't want negativity at the club but what he really meant was that he didn't want anybody to challenge him which is typical of someone who is insecure and not really confident about what they say or do. And he isn't challenged because so many people think they are being loyal to Rovers by keeping quiet. When he makes disparaging remarks about Steve Cotterill's style of play or Neil Dewsnip's knowledge of the game he makes himself look stupid within football and that reflects badly on Rovers. When he makes excuses about his budget being uncompetitive with the top teams he is never asked why his team performance is inferior to those with budgets half the size he has enjoyed at Rovers. And when things go wrong he hides behind "I'm a young manager learning his trade" (his words) and people love to repeat that. But nobody has the courage to say to him "hold on JB, the managers of the teams which came first and second in League 1 are younger than you, they never played in the Premier League and this is their first managerial job". Now you are putting words into JB's mouth - negativity and challenge are not the same thing. The First Team staff and players have input to discussions, they are not expected to be "yes" men, and they are the personnel that matter. Outside of that circle, in a professional sporting environment you don't want negative people getting in the ears of players. The Plymouth manager became a First Team Coach in January 2018, so was able to learn first hand from the Manager he was working with, before becoming a Manager himself. He would have been one year below B***** at school - by the time they've reached their mid 30's I think that age difference is negligible. The Ipswich manager was involved in the U18's coaching set ups at Spurs and Manchester United from 2015, after sadly having to retire from playing at a young age, due to a bad injury. He became a First Team Coach at Manchester United in July 2018, initially working under Jose Mourinho - quite a decent person to learn the trade from, I'd say. B***** entered management in April 2018 , without having any experience of being involved in the management/coaching set up at a club . He had the knowledge which he had picked up from people who had managed him as a player, and then learnt on the job. Playing in the Premier League makes you aware of the what is required both on and off the pitch for a team to be successful, however, it does not guarantee that somebody will be a good manager - see Gary Neville for further details. I am not in any way looking to detract from the great achievements from the Plymouth and Ipswich managers, just putting some meat on the bones, which shows that they are not quite the inexperienced young guns which you made them out to be. Hence why nobody has had "courage" to put your statement to B*****, it's like a house built on sand - no substance. He had so much more than that Bath. As far back as 2013, B***** was taking Coaching Badges and learning about Management in football, just one small snippet here from the Belfast Telegraph way back on 6th June 2013 : By Stuart McKinleyBelfast TelegraphThu 6 Jun 2013 at 15:00 On Joey B*****'s own official website he describes himself as a "footballer, ex-con, ranting anti-celebrity, 'football's philosopher king', loving dad and thug all rolled into one."All qualified by the line "depending who you listen to. Now, you add football coach to that list, if you listen to the Irish FA's Coach Education staff.The controversial midfielder, who has, at various times, been cast in every one of those roles he mentions, but in the future he simply wants to be the boss. That's why the 29-year-old has delayed his summer holidays in order to spend the next two week's in Belfast.B***** is undertaking the Uefa B and A Licence coaching courses through the IFA and he is joined by a long list of Premier League and international stars.Within the A & B Licenses, he would learn about dealing with support staff, and being accountable to management, i.e not just ‘picking things up’ as he went along. Obviously he had been gearing up to be a Football Head Coach or Manager at least 5 years before Fleetwood in 2018.
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Post by swissgas on May 26, 2023 1:49:05 GMT
Honestly I don't. I asked you a question based upon something you posted and you made an assertion when you have no idea. A bit like you suggesting TWD's departure was partially down to me (which others corrected you on. But you are right, I shouldn't bother, not even in jest. The silliness is there for all to see. Enjoy I said TWD did'nt like your style and I imagineit played a role in his departure.Try not to worry about it. I was right about your inexperience of within a fc.You and Swiss (especially you) don't like certain types,you would be found basically sulking in a corner of a changing room or training pitch,or bar,bitching,gossiping and scheming. No good in a team environment. You don't get it. Bas, I've never made any secret of my background and I think Cheshire put it very well the other day when he described how he grew up on a council estate and had to find a way of dealing with what you call "certain types" but still managed to do OK while respecting the rules. There's no snobbery in our attitude to JB in fact I enjoy listening to Stephen Warnock on the NBC Premier League channel who looks and sounds very much like him. He's a similar age, has a similar football record (2 England caps), has admitted to some mental health issues, has typical Liverpudlian chirpiness and he shares JB's infectious enthusiasm for football. The difference is that he stays within the written and unwritten rules of society whereas JB doesn't and is a disruptor. And you probably aren't aware of this but as a young man I was a frontline bowler for both Somerset and Nottinghamshire.
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Post by swissgas on May 26, 2023 2:51:50 GMT
JB said almost exactly that last year. He said he didn't want negativity at the club but what he really meant was that he didn't want anybody to challenge him which is typical of someone who is insecure and not really confident about what they say or do. And he isn't challenged because so many people think they are being loyal to Rovers by keeping quiet. When he makes disparaging remarks about Steve Cotterill's style of play or Neil Dewsnip's knowledge of the game he makes himself look stupid within football and that reflects badly on Rovers. When he makes excuses about his budget being uncompetitive with the top teams he is never asked why his team performance is inferior to those with budgets half the size he has enjoyed at Rovers. And when things go wrong he hides behind "I'm a young manager learning his trade" (his words) and people love to repeat that. But nobody has the courage to say to him "hold on JB, the managers of the teams which came first and second in League 1 are younger than you, they never played in the Premier League and this is their first managerial job". Now you are putting words into JB's mouth - negativity and challenge are not the same thing. The First Team staff and players have input to discussions, they are not expected to be "yes" men, and they are the personnel that matter. Outside of that circle, in a professional sporting environment you don't want negative people getting in the ears of players. The Plymouth manager became a First Team Coach in January 2018, so was able to learn first hand from the Manager he was working with, before becoming a Manager himself. He would have been one year below B***** at school - by the time they've reached their mid 30's I think that age difference is negligible. The Ipswich manager was involved in the U18's coaching set ups at Spurs and Manchester United from 2015, after sadly having to retire from playing at a young age, due to a bad injury. He became a First Team Coach at Manchester United in July 2018, initially working under Jose Mourinho - quite a decent person to learn the trade from, I'd say. B***** entered management in April 2018, without having any experience of being involved in the management/coaching set up at a club. He had the knowledge which he had picked up from people who had managed him as a player, and then learnt on the job. Playing in the Premier League makes you aware of the what is required both on and off the pitch for a team to be successful, however, it does not guarantee that somebody will be a good manager - see Gary Neville for further details. I am not in any way looking to detract from the great achievements from the Plymouth and Ipswich managers, just putting some meat on the bones, which shows that they are not quite the inexperienced young guns which you made them out to be. Hence why nobody has had "courage" to put your statement to B*****, it's like a house built on sand - no substance. So you'd agree that being a young manager learning your trade is no barrier to success in League 1 ? The negativity JB was talking about last year was something he described as permeating the whole club and he said he didn't want any negative people at Rovers. What he didn't do was define negativity and it sounded very much to me as if he meant that anyone who didn't agree with him was negative. If we want Rovers to be successful I think it's incredibly negative to have a closed mind and not consider alternative strategies. Bas says we should "follow the leader" and people who would like things run differently are "moaners causing trouble" but he didn't say the same when Geoff Dunford and Nick Higgs were our leaders. In any organization which is strong and healthy the leaders accept they'll be challenged and it's that constant challenging which keeps them on their toes and helps them make better decisions. Here's a football challenge to astound contradiction : With 73 goals conceded last season Rovers had the fifth worst defensive record in League 1. It's an issue which needs resolving whether you are a Gashead who attends every match and is devoted to JB or an armchair fan who watches a few games on ifollow and isn't too enamoured with him. But would the recruitment of a specialist defensive coach be an acceptable topic for conversation ? Could we talk about possible candidates who have the proven experience to stop the leaks and create an efficient defensive unit but don't necessarily have any prior connection to JB ? If we want what's best for Rovers this would be a positive subject for discussion wouldn't it ? Or is there a danger JB might not want to even consider this, and certainly not bring in an outsider, so would it be prudent to not discuss it in case he gets upset ? In which case it might be preferable to say we have complete faith in JB and stifle debate by labelling anyone bringing up this subject as negative.
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Post by oldie on May 26, 2023 5:52:58 GMT
I said TWD did'nt like your style and I imagineit played a role in his departure.Try not to worry about it. I was right about your inexperience of within a fc.You and Swiss (especially you) don't like certain types,you would be found basically sulking in a corner of a changing room or training pitch,or bar,bitching,gossiping and scheming. No good in a team environment. You don't get it. Bas, I've never made any secret of my background and I think Cheshire put it very well the other day when he described how he grew up on a council estate and had to find a way of dealing with what you call "certain types" but still managed to do OK while respecting the rules. There's no snobbery in our attitude to JB in fact I enjoy listening to Stephen Warnock on the NBC Premier League channel who looks and sounds very much like him. He's a similar age, has a similar football record (2 England caps), has admitted to some mental health issues, has typical Liverpudlian chirpiness and he shares JB's infectious enthusiasm for football. The difference is that he stays within the written and unwritten rules of society whereas JB doesn't and is a disruptor. And you probably aren't aware of this but as a young man I was a frontline bowler for both Somerset and Nottinghamshire.     It's clear Swiss that this guy makes things up in his own head and convinces himself they are true. In reality it's so stupid it's not worth responding to.
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