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Post by The Concept on Apr 11, 2023 16:58:58 GMT
... Well, no they weren't. Timeline- 04/07/2022 - Wael announced on Instagram that he had just been told we'd broken the record with 5,057.
- 07/07/2022 - Season tickets taken off sale, with the current figure sold quoted as 5,090.
- 18/07/2022 - Rovers announce 'pro-rata' tickets due to the lower capacity problem at the start of the season (no mention of sales).
- 22/07/2022 - Rovers say the 2022/23 sales are 'the greatest in the club's history', but the figure isn't quoted.
- 03/02/2023 - Board Meeting Notes released which mentions "... a record number of season ticket at 5,360 for year." (a jump from when they were taken off sale - could this include half season tickets?).
- Since the season started it has been mentioned several times that this year is the highest ever sold, and naturally supporters have quoted this on forums and social media.
Previous year's season ticket sales - 2015/16 first season back in Tier 4 (League 2) = 3,526 (although Wael on Instagram said it was 5,056).
- 2016/17 first season back in Tier 3 (League 1) = 5,300.
- 2017/18 second season back in Tier 3 (League 1) = 5,410.
- 2018/19 third season back in Tier 3 (League 1) - the 'stepping up' campaign = ?? (I can't find any figures for this season. On 17/04/2018 we were claiming 'record number of renewals', but nothing mentioned after this date and no figures).
- 2019/20 fourth season back in Tier 3 (League 1) - the 'born & bred' campaign = ?? (The only mention I can find is on 14/07/2019 back on sale for 4 weeks, it was over 4,000).
Conclusion- When the total of 5,410 was announced for season 2017/18, it was carefully stated as being the best since we'd returned to Bristol (not the highest ever).
- From 1946 to the early 1960s Rovers average attendance was constantly between 15,000 & 20,000.
In the early 1950s the average attendance was greater than 25,000 - these were times before away travel really took off, so a higher percentage of home fans.
Throughout the 1960s the average attendance was always 10,000.
In the season 1974/75, the first after promotion back to Division Two, the lowest home crowd all season was as high as 9,173.
From the late 1950s there were over 5,000 seats, more than we have today. - It is difficult to imagine that there weren't several seasons in the 40s, 50s & 60s when the season ticket sales weren't over 5,360. I would imagine several would have been over 10,000.
- At the time Wael announced we had broken the record we had sold at best the 3rd highest since our return to Bristol, and the 3rd highest during his time.
- At the time the season tickets were taken off sale we had still sold at best the 3rd highest since our return to Bristol.
- The announcement of 5,360 means that at best it was the 2nd highest since our return to Bristol.
- This season's ticket sales were jolly good, but weren't a record.
- Next season is another season!
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Post by trymer on Apr 11, 2023 18:04:56 GMT
... Well, no they weren't. Timeline- 04/07/2022 - Wael announced on Instagram that he had just been told we'd broken the record with 5,057.
- 07/07/2022 - Season tickets taken off sale, with the current figure sold quoted as 5,090.
- 18/07/2022 - Rovers announce 'pro-rata' tickets due to the lower capacity problem at the start of the season (no mention of sales).
- 22/07/2022 - Rovers say the 2022/23 sales are 'the greatest in the club's history', but the figure isn't quoted.
- 03/02/2023 - Board Meeting Notes released which mentions "... a record number of season ticket at 5,360 for year." (a jump from when they were taken off sale - could this include half season tickets?).
- Since the season started it has been mentioned several times that this year is the highest ever sold, and naturally supporters have quoted this on forums and social media.
Previous year's season ticket sales - 2015/16 first season back in Tier 4 (League 2) = 3,526 (although Wael on Instagram said it was 5,056).
- 2016/17 first season back in Tier 3 (League 1) = 5,300.
- 2017/18 second season back in Tier 3 (League 1) = 5,410.
- 2018/19 third season back in Tier 3 (League 1) - the 'stepping up' campaign = ?? (I can't find any figures for this season. On 17/04/2018 we were claiming 'record number of renewals', but nothing mentioned after this date and no figures).
- 2019/20 fourth season back in Tier 3 (League 1) - the 'born & bred' campaign = ?? (The only mention I can find is on 14/07/2019 back on sale for 4 weeks, it was over 4,000).
Conclusion- When the total of 5,410 was announced for season 2017/18, it was carefully stated as being the best since we'd returned to Bristol (not the highest ever).
- From 1946 to the early 1960s Rovers average attendance was constantly between 15,000 & 20,000.
In the early 1950s the average attendance was greater than 25,000 - these were times before away travel really took off, so a higher percentage of home fans.
Throughout the 1960s the average attendance was always 10,000.
In the season 1974/75, the first after promotion back to Division Two, the lowest home crowd all season was as high as 9,173.
From the late 1950s there were over 5,000 seats, more than we have today. - It is difficult to imagine that there weren't several seasons in the 40s, 50s & 60s when the season ticket sales weren't over 5,360. I would imagine several would have been over 10,000.
- At the time Wael announced we had broken the record we had sold at best the 3rd highest since our return to Bristol, and the 3rd highest during his time.
- At the time the season tickets were taken off sale we had still sold at best the 3rd highest since our return to Bristol.
- The announcement of 5,360 means that at best it was the 2nd highest since our return to Bristol.
- This season's ticket sales were jolly good, but weren't a record.
- Next season is another season!
Were the average attendances 'always 10,000' throughout the 60s ? I thought that they were well below that by the end of the 60s. In the 70s I remember Bobby Campbell when he was manager complaining in his programme notes that although Rovers were playing attacking football the attendances were along with Orient the worst in the 2nd division. |
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Post by The Concept on Apr 11, 2023 18:35:33 GMT
... Well, no they weren't. - This season's ticket sales were jolly good, but weren't a record.
- Next season is another season!
Were the average attendances 'always 10,000' throughout the 60s ? I thought that they were well below that by the end of the 60s. In the 70s I remember Bobby Campbell when he was manager complaining in his programme notes that although Rovers were playing attacking football the attendances were along with Orient the worst in the 2nd division. They seemed to be. I went through Stephen & Mike's Bristol Rovers FC - The Definitive History 1883 - 2003 and although I didn't see an average it was fairly easy to work out from each game. There was a bigger discrepancy for crowds between games back in the 60s - with a bigger capacity at Eastville you'd get big crowds of 15k plus for the big teams and Christmas and Easter, then down to 7k for other games. So you are right, there were low crowds, but overall around 10k average. Then there were other times the figure quoted was low I wondered if it was a typo. Then again, I hear there were some afternoon fixtures back in the day, so maybe that reduced some crowds. From the 50s to the 60s there really was a big drop in attendances. |
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Post by trymer on Apr 11, 2023 18:54:46 GMT
Were the average attendances 'always 10,000' throughout the 60s ? I thought that they were well below that by the end of the 60s. In the 70s I remember Bobby Campbell when he was manager complaining in his programme notes that although Rovers were playing attacking football the attendances were along with Orient the worst in the 2nd division. They seemed to be. I went through Stephen & Mike's Bristol Rovers FC - The Definitive History 1883 - 2003 and although I didn't see an average it was fairly easy to work out from each game. There was a bigger discrepancy for crowds between games back in the 60s - with a bigger capacity at Eastville you'd get big crowds of 15k plus for the big teams and Christmas and Easter, then down to 7k for other games. So you are right, there were low crowds, but overall around 10k average. Then there were other times the figure quoted was low I wondered if it was a typo. Then again, I hear there were some afternoon fixtures back in the day, so maybe that reduced some crowds. From the 50s to the 60s there really was a big drop in attendances. I use the European Attendances....problem being that I dont know how accurate they are....I will check their figures for late 60s. Yes Eastville used to look quite sparse in a lot of 3rd division matches in the late 70s,funny thing is the bigger crowds (as I remember it) seemed to be for night matches. In the late 40s and early 50s there probably wasnt much else to do on a Saturday afternoon by the mid 60s people had more money,more had cars (but not that many) less people having to work Saturday mornings so other activities were possible. Quite difficult to compare those times with present day as there have been so many changes,life is much easier now,people are better informed about lifestyle choices and there is much more choice of leisure activities. |
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Post by trymer on Apr 11, 2023 19:06:09 GMT
Well these are the figures that they give,they only say year not season.
67.....10,253
68.....8,105
69.....7,118
for 69 they give the highest attendance as 10,614....lowest 4768.....as I say I have no idea about the accuracy of those figures.
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Post by johnmalyckyj on Apr 11, 2023 19:10:50 GMT
They seemed to be. I went through Stephen & Mike's Bristol Rovers FC - The Definitive History 1883 - 2003 and although I didn't see an average it was fairly easy to work out from each game. There was a bigger discrepancy for crowds between games back in the 60s - with a bigger capacity at Eastville you'd get big crowds of 15k plus for the big teams and Christmas and Easter, then down to 7k for other games. So you are right, there were low crowds, but overall around 10k average. Then there were other times the figure quoted was low I wondered if it was a typo. Then again, I hear there were some afternoon fixtures back in the day, so maybe that reduced some crowds. From the 50s to the 60s there really was a big drop in attendances. I use the European Attendances....problem being that I dont know how accurate they are....I will check their figures for late 60s. Yes Eastville used to look quite sparse in a lot of 3rd division matches in the late 70s,funny thing is the bigger crowds (as I remember it) seemed to be for night matches. In the late 40s and early 50s there probably wasnt much else to do on a Saturday afternoon by the mid 60s people had more money,more had cars (but not that many) less people having to work Saturday mornings so other activities were possible. Quite difficult to compare those times with present day as there have been so many changes,life is much easier now,people are better informed about lifestyle choices and there is much more choice of leisure activities. I started attending regularly in 72/73. It always seemed to be the case that evening games where better attended by a couple of thousand in the 70s, the assumption was that people playing on a Saturday afternoon were able to attend as well as those who had to work on a Saturday. Remember these were the days where we didn't have seven day, twenty-four hour retail, warehousing economy with a myriad of shifts , there was a significant chunk of the world who couldn't attend Saturday matches but could get to Eastville on a Tuesday. If we had a Saturday/Tuesday pair of home games it would come as a surprise if the gate was lower for the latter. |
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Post by trymer on Apr 11, 2023 19:27:06 GMT
I use the European Attendances....problem being that I dont know how accurate they are....I will check their figures for late 60s. Yes Eastville used to look quite sparse in a lot of 3rd division matches in the late 70s,funny thing is the bigger crowds (as I remember it) seemed to be for night matches. In the late 40s and early 50s there probably wasnt much else to do on a Saturday afternoon by the mid 60s people had more money,more had cars (but not that many) less people having to work Saturday mornings so other activities were possible. Quite difficult to compare those times with present day as there have been so many changes,life is much easier now,people are better informed about lifestyle choices and there is much more choice of leisure activities. I started attending regularly in 72/73. It always seemed to be the case that evening games where better attended by a couple of thousand in the 70s, the assumption was that people playing on a Saturday afternoon were able to attend as well as those who had to work on a Saturday. Remember these were the days where we didn't have seven day, twenty-four hour retail, warehousing economy with a myriad of shifts , there was a significant chunk of the world who couldn't attend Saturday matches but could get to Eastville on a Tuesday. If we had a Saturday/Tuesday pair of home games it would come as a surprise if the gate was lower for the latter. Were most of the League cup games evening fixtures ? I remember some good games in the LC and some good attendances. Also the Christmas and Easter games,I think they tried to make them as local as possible...remember a Good Friday home game against city and home again the next day to Saints. Also it got easier for away fans to travel when the Motorways got built plus train travel was cheaper at the weekends then. |
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Post by kentgas on Apr 11, 2023 19:37:40 GMT
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Post by droitwichgas on Apr 11, 2023 20:17:35 GMT
... Well, no they weren't. Timeline- 04/07/2022 - Wael announced on Instagram that he had just been told we'd broken the record with 5,057.
- 07/07/2022 - Season tickets taken off sale, with the current figure sold quoted as 5,090.
- 18/07/2022 - Rovers announce 'pro-rata' tickets due to the lower capacity problem at the start of the season (no mention of sales).
- 22/07/2022 - Rovers say the 2022/23 sales are 'the greatest in the club's history', but the figure isn't quoted.
- 03/02/2023 - Board Meeting Notes released which mentions "... a record number of season ticket at 5,360 for year." (a jump from when they were taken off sale - could this include half season tickets?).
- Since the season started it has been mentioned several times that this year is the highest ever sold, and naturally supporters have quoted this on forums and social media.
Previous year's season ticket sales - 2015/16 first season back in Tier 4 (League 2) = 3,526 (although Wael on Instagram said it was 5,056).
- 2016/17 first season back in Tier 3 (League 1) = 5,300.
- 2017/18 second season back in Tier 3 (League 1) = 5,410.
- 2018/19 third season back in Tier 3 (League 1) - the 'stepping up' campaign = ?? (I can't find any figures for this season. On 17/04/2018 we were claiming 'record number of renewals', but nothing mentioned after this date and no figures).
- 2019/20 fourth season back in Tier 3 (League 1) - the 'born & bred' campaign = ?? (The only mention I can find is on 14/07/2019 back on sale for 4 weeks, it was over 4,000).
Conclusion- When the total of 5,410 was announced for season 2017/18, it was carefully stated as being the best since we'd returned to Bristol (not the highest ever).
- From 1946 to the early 1960s Rovers average attendance was constantly between 15,000 & 20,000.
In the early 1950s the average attendance was greater than 25,000 - these were times before away travel really took off, so a higher percentage of home fans.
Throughout the 1960s the average attendance was always 10,000.
In the season 1974/75, the first after promotion back to Division Two, the lowest home crowd all season was as high as 9,173.
From the late 1950s there were over 5,000 seats, more than we have today. - It is difficult to imagine that there weren't several seasons in the 40s, 50s & 60s when the season ticket sales weren't over 5,360. I would imagine several would have been over 10,000.
- At the time Wael announced we had broken the record we had sold at best the 3rd highest since our return to Bristol, and the 3rd highest during his time.
- At the time the season tickets were taken off sale we had still sold at best the 3rd highest since our return to Bristol.
- The announcement of 5,360 means that at best it was the 2nd highest since our return to Bristol.
- This season's ticket sales were jolly good, but weren't a record.
- Next season is another season!
You spent your time typing all that out over 50 a difference of season tickets? Unless somebody gets access to the actual records who knows if the 2017/18 is an accurate figure. |
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Post by The Concept on Apr 11, 2023 20:32:57 GMT
... Well, no they weren't. You spent your time typing all that out over 50 a difference of season tickets? Unless somebody gets access to the actual records who knows if the 2017/18 is an accurate figure. I actually worked it out last August, if you really must know. At the time the figure quoted as 'the greatest in the club's history' was 5,090. And I wanted to be as comprehensive as possible, in case someone came along to dispute matters. Or, who knows, make accusations of untruths? Here's where the 5,410 figure comes from. www.bristolrovers.co.uk/news/2017/august/seasonticketrecord/ |
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Post by droitwichgas on Apr 11, 2023 21:21:13 GMT
You spent your time typing all that out over 50 a difference of season tickets? Unless somebody gets access to the actual records who knows if the 2017/18 is an accurate figure. I actually worked it out last August, if you really must know. At the time the figure quoted as 'the greatest in the club's history' was 5,090. And I wanted to be as comprehensive as possible, in case someone came along to dispute matters. Or, who knows, make accusations of untruths? Here's where the 5,410 figure comes from. www.bristolrovers.co.uk/news/2017/august/seasonticketrecord/ "Ironically that total was passed on a day when the club received the news that the UWE Stadium would not go ahead and came as a welcome boost to everyone at the club." |
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