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Post by warehamgas on Jun 16, 2022 17:05:01 GMT
Nailed on my friend. It is not well tolerated to criticise our owner yet he too is only human and i believe he made a public apology about lessons being learned. Let’s face it though, GC left on a false high. We were playing truly dour football and crowds were as low as 6400 against some of the better teams, fans voted with their absence. I don’t think anyone should take umbrage if what is being said or written is based in truth. It is a dangerous route to take when someone is above criticism, even though i respect loyalty. Let’s now see what we can expect in tier 3. I am hoping we do something i can’t remember doing and that is to start really well and then stay that way Were you around in 73/74 KP ? We started off with a 3-0 away win against our bogey team Bournemouth and, apart from a blip near the end, kept it up to gain promotion to Championship level averaging 13000 at Eastville. My favourite season swiss. I was at Dean Court for that match, everyone thought us and Bournemouth would do well. In the first half on that August afternoon Bournemouth should have been ahead. Hit the bar twice and was 0-0 at ht. Then we won it with 3 second half goals and the rest was history. Bournemouth were relegated and we went up. History was changed, we rode our luck that day but overall were the best, or nearly, in that division. UTG!
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Post by warehamgas on Jun 16, 2022 17:22:38 GMT
Yes, confirmed so good luck to him. Charlton fans seem fairly happy with the appointment according to their forum, or at least the one I read. He’s talking about possession and exciting football which has endeared him to them. Mind you not sure which manager doesn’t talk about those things. He’ll need to transfer what he wants into results, something he couldn’t do here but he will have learnt some hard lessons with us which should help him. Lesson 1 don’t sell your top scorer then replace him with wide attackers or midfield attackers! Lesson 2 when recruiting ensure the people recruiting know what they’re doing and don’t stop recruiting after sorting out your defence and midfield. Continue to recruit strikers. But he could do well and even our history is littered with players and managers who have done well at other places and then bombed with us or even those who were failures elsewhere but came here and were successful. Even DC must have been near leaving us after a tough start before he succeeded. Gerry F, sacked at Exeter, came here and did well. Billy Bodin, troubles elsewhere but came here and thrived. Even JCH very recently. Past failures should never predict what happens in the future. And successful people will show determination to do well after setbacks. Good luck to him. UTG! Good sentiments there Wareham. Learning from past failures gives us a better chance of doing well after setbacks and in Ben Garner's case I should think he has made it a career priority to always ensure he has the necessary support to be able to do what he does best, coaching footballers, and that he won't be designing any more training grounds.
I saw your comments attracted some opposition on Gaschat because you dared to criticise Wael but I agree with you. If Wael had explained to fans why he was making a complete philosophy change by replacing Coughlan with Garner and how the new project was going to be carried out then I think Gasheads would have been patient. It could have meant Rovers embarking on the road to a form of sustainability rather than being forced back to the vicious circle of high wages and long contracts. Yes, that’s it I think. He’s obviously a good coach from what others have said but to date he hasn’t proved himself as a manager. At Swindon he coached the team well but ultimately failed when his team scored more goals than any other team and had one of the best, if not the best striker in McKirdy, in the league. Should have got to Wembley. Others, more closely involved, seem to be more sorry about losing Ben Chorley rather than BG at Swindon. Now the pressure will be truly on at Charlton, high expectations so good luck to him. Btw, I’m not sure had Wael explained the “why” and the “how” he wanted to change direction when we were 4th in the league, albeit with some pretty attritional football we’d have been more patient. GC, whatever his faults, had got us challenging at the proper end of League 1 for the first time in 20 years..... But I’ll stop. I’m in danger of repeating myself. I guess you and I are a similar vintage and remember that challenging at the right end of League 1 (Division 3) was the normal expectation for us in the late 60s/ 70s and years in the 1980s. UTG!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2022 10:11:47 GMT
Thinking back to the conveyor belt of unknowns heaped on Garner by the idiot Widdrington, what chance did he really have. Joey’s cannons are the reason behind the turnaround with Starnes and Widdrington’s arses still smouldering.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Jun 18, 2022 10:53:33 GMT
I don’t think i can ever remember our fans getting so het up about a previous manager. It’s done and he has moved on, may i suggest that we do, also
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Post by warehamgas on Jun 18, 2022 12:01:33 GMT
I don’t think i can ever remember our fans getting so het up about a previous manager. It’s done and he has moved on, may i suggest that we do, also You’re right of course KP, on both counts. But by posting you extended the thread, just as I have!! 😉 UTG!
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Post by alftupper on Jun 18, 2022 14:20:03 GMT
I don’t think i can ever remember our fans getting so het up about a previous manager. It’s done and he has moved on, may i suggest that we do, also You’re right of course KP, on both counts. But by posting you extended the thread, just as I have!! 😉 UTG! Absolutely. I have no desire to extend this thread, by adding my thoughts on the useless tosser.
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Post by bluetornados on Jun 18, 2022 16:35:20 GMT
You’re right of course KP, on both counts. But by posting you extended the thread, just as I have!! 😉 UTG! Absolutely. I have no desire to extend this thread, by adding my thoughts on the useless tosser. Talking about a previous useless manager does no good at all....😒
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Post by warehamgas on Jun 18, 2022 17:48:25 GMT
You’re right of course KP, on both counts. But by posting you extended the thread, just as I have!! 😉 UTG! Absolutely. I have no desire to extend this thread, by adding my thoughts on the useless tosser. Yes. Reminds me of the time long ago when Ron Atkinson was manager of Man U. They’d just lost and the ref had a nightmare. Ron Atkinson was asked about it and said he wouldn’t talk about an incompetent prat with eyesight issues (or words to that effect) as he didn’t want to get a fine. I think he was fined. UTG!
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Post by swissgas on Jun 18, 2022 18:02:11 GMT
Were you around in 73/74 KP ? We started off with a 3-0 away win against our bogey team Bournemouth and, apart from a blip near the end, kept it up to gain promotion to Championship level averaging 13000 at Eastville. My favourite season swiss. I was at Dean Court for that match, everyone thought us and Bournemouth would do well. In the first half on that August afternoon Bournemouth should have been ahead. Hit the bar twice and was 0-0 at ht. Then we won it with 3 second half goals and the rest was history. Bournemouth were relegated and we went up. History was changed, we rode our luck that day but overall were the best, or nearly, in that division. UTG! Yes, my favourite season as well Wareham, I went to nearly every match home and away and have many happy memories of that time.
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Post by lostinspace on Jun 18, 2022 18:02:48 GMT
come on you lot lets just move on!!!
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Post by swissgas on Jun 18, 2022 19:00:26 GMT
Good sentiments there Wareham. Learning from past failures gives us a better chance of doing well after setbacks and in Ben Garner's case I should think he has made it a career priority to always ensure he has the necessary support to be able to do what he does best, coaching footballers, and that he won't be designing any more training grounds.
I saw your comments attracted some opposition on Gaschat because you dared to criticise Wael but I agree with you. If Wael had explained to fans why he was making a complete philosophy change by replacing Coughlan with Garner and how the new project was going to be carried out then I think Gasheads would have been patient. It could have meant Rovers embarking on the road to a form of sustainability rather than being forced back to the vicious circle of high wages and long contracts. Yes, that’s it I think. He’s obviously a good coach from what others have said but to date he hasn’t proved himself as a manager. At Swindon he coached the team well but ultimately failed when his team scored more goals than any other team and had one of the best, if not the best striker in McKirdy, in the league. Should have got to Wembley. Others, more closely involved, seem to be more sorry about losing Ben Chorley rather than BG at Swindon. Now the pressure will be truly on at Charlton, high expectations so good luck to him. Btw, I’m not sure had Wael explained the “why” and the “how” he wanted to change direction when we were 4th in the league, albeit with some pretty attritional football we’d have been more patient. GC, whatever his faults, had got us challenging at the proper end of League 1 for the first time in 20 years..... But I’ll stop. I’m in danger of repeating myself. I guess you and I are a similar vintage and remember that challenging at the right end of League 1 (Division 3) was the normal expectation for us in the late 60s/ 70s and years in the 1980s. UTG! I think our generation started off with memories of the glorious 50's overshadowing our Rovers experience with many of the older supporters struggling to come to terms with third division football and crowds under 10 000. The slow handclap when the team played badly was something I hated but gradually we perked up and I recall a huge convoy of coaches assembling at Eastville and then trundling along the A4 towards Watford for a key promotion game in 1967 which we sadly lost. Things took a bit of a dip for the following two seasons but we regrouped and from 69/70- 73/74 were always in the top six with average crowds over 10 000 and eventually got promotion to what is now the Championship. Many Gasheads don't understand why some of us "oldies" appear to be always moaning and are unhappy that yo-yoing between League 2 and League 1 and playing in a sub-standard stadium has become the norm and must be accepted because "there is nothing we can do about it". I actually left the Bristol area in 75/76 because, partly inspired by Rovers revival and 73/74 success, I realised that if you are unhappy with your lot you either have to meekly accept it or try to do something about it. We had the debates about Garner at the start of his tenure and my feeling then was that he had to be supported with carefully constructed infrastructure and that the project needed to be explained to fans so we knew what Rovers were aiming to do and were made to feel part of it. Wael had, and still has, a lot of goodwill with Gasheads and I am sure he could have carried the vast majority with him if he had properly explained what the Garner venture was all about and put the correct infrastructure in place to give it a chance of succeeding. Now the club is approaching another critical stage but we still don't really know what the plan is. For the team the consensus opinion is that Wael is putting total faith in JB and will support him with whatever funding is needed to be competitive in League 1 and hopefully have a crack at promotion. For the stadium the consensus opinion is that Wael is involved in the Fruit Market development plans and if it goes ahead then hopefully we will have a new stadium there. It is the same as it has always been, we hope and we wait to see what happens. But should things not go as we "hope" over the next few months perhaps there is a possibility that Wael will change tack and adopt the policy of formulating a workable long term strategy which he will share with Gasheads so we can go forward with our eyes open rather than being led blindly.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2022 19:56:43 GMT
Rose tinted glasses and navel gazing at the past, is one of the most soul destroying things anyone can possibly do.
As a truly great human said: "The future is unwritten".
UTFG.
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Post by swissgas on Jun 18, 2022 22:09:32 GMT
Rose tinted glasses and navel gazing at the past, is one of the most soul destroying things anyone can possibly do. As a truly great human said: "The future is unwritten". UTFG. Refusing to learn from the past can also be soul destroying Doc. I’m suggesting that when the next new beginning comes it would be better for Rovers if we made an attempt to write our own future.
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Post by warehamgas on Jun 18, 2022 22:16:54 GMT
Rose tinted glasses and navel gazing at the past, is one of the most soul destroying things anyone can possibly do. As a truly great human said: "The future is unwritten". UTFG. Perhaps or alternatively Dr F remembering when we challenged at the top of League 1 regularly. Here’s to doing that this season coming. 🙏 Blimey, the future may be unwritten but it’s discussed on here all the time! UTG!
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Post by warehamgas on Jun 19, 2022 9:24:55 GMT
come on you lot lets just move on!!! Ok dad! Sorry. UTG!
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Post by eppinggas on Jun 19, 2022 9:30:06 GMT
Rose tinted glasses and navel gazing at the past, is one of the most soul destroying things anyone can possibly do. As a truly great human said: "The future is unwritten". UTFG. Refusing to learn from the past can also be soul destroying Doc. I’m suggesting that when the next new beginning comes it would be better for Rovers if we made an attempt to write our own future. But surely that would imply there is 'a plan'? I'm not knocking Wael. It's his money and he can do what he wants with it. He funds annual losses of £2-£3 mil. It worries some because that situation is totally unsustainable and can't go on for ever. The majority don't worry. I kind of wish I was in the majority.
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Post by lostinspace on Jun 19, 2022 9:34:01 GMT
come on you lot lets just move on!!! Ok dad! Sorry. UTG! 🪖🤭
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Post by swissgas on Jun 19, 2022 19:16:43 GMT
Refusing to learn from the past can also be soul destroying Doc. I’m suggesting that when the next new beginning comes it would be better for Rovers if we made an attempt to write our own future. But surely that would imply there is 'a plan'? I'm not knocking Wael. It's his money and he can do what he wants with it. He funds annual losses of £2-£3 mil. It worries some because that situation is totally unsustainable and can't go on for ever. The majority don't worry. I kind of wish I was in the majority. Its not a question of worrying epping because there are far more important things to worry about than a third division football team. For me it's the disappointment of knowing that we don't make the most of the opportunities we are given and that most Gasheads won't even accept this is the case. Which means that to even outline ideas on how the £30 million which has been put into the club over the past six years could have been better spent would bring about accusations of "negativity". The Doc's post prompted me to look up some Joe Strummer quotes and these, I think, are relevant to Rovers. "When you blame yourself, you learn from it. If you blame someone else, you don't learn nothing, cause hey, it's not your fault, it's his fault, over there." "The way you get a better world is, you don't put up with substandard anything" "Strummer's Law: No input, no output." "We aren't particularly talented. We try harder!" It is as easy to blame Widdrington, Starnes, Garner and Tisdale for our past failings as it is to predict that B*****, Jennings, Gibson and Gorringe will be our scapegoats in the future. The present is no different from the past because we have the same talk of a new beginning as we had in February 2016 and June 2020 but much remains substandard, no input from fans is offered or desired and the most important aspects of the club are still shrouded in mystery. That last quote from Joe Strummer "we aren't particularly talented. we try harder" is, IMO, particularly relevant to Rovers. Our most successful periods have been when by "trying harder" we have been able to make up for lack resources whether that be financial or of individual football talent. And I think if we had tried harder our £30 million could have given us a chance of more than matching what Steve Lansdown has achieved at City with his hundreds of millions. So the question remains, will the next new beginning be the same as the last one or will lessons have been learned ?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2022 19:44:20 GMT
Swiss, "without people you're nothing".
It's the supporters that are permanent.
Anyway, if there's one thing I am confident about, it's talking about any of the Clash before, during and after, but that's not really for here.
Apologies.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Jun 19, 2022 21:44:46 GMT
Rose tinted glasses and navel gazing at the past, is one of the most soul destroying things anyone can possibly do. As a truly great human said: "The future is unwritten". UTFG. For some of us, that is what keeps us going, the thought that things may get better. Each to their own
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