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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2022 16:19:24 GMT
Those sensitive posters that deactivate their account named after a crap moniker for an overrated karaoke singer, in exchange for one of the Velvets songs where they've tried to be The Beatles? Right you are then. Garner will have to do something decent at Charlton or he'll be off by Christmas. Good luck to him after his free pass this year. Tried to be the Beatles? Come now. The Velvets were the actual innovators and true originals. The Beatles weren't even the best band of the 60s. Agreed re the 60s. That was The Kinks.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2022 16:20:25 GMT
rideintothesun is categorically NOT The Thin White Duke. He may share a lot of his views (as I do), that is all. I have exchanged mails with TTWD. He's doing fine. I don't think he will be back here, or at the Mem. for the foreseeable future. Ah well. His loss (not here, The Mem).
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Post by icegas on Jun 10, 2022 16:26:00 GMT
BGs 'success' at Swindon. JBs success at Rovers. 😉 Given that BG began the season without a first team and Swindon were tipped as lead relegation candidates, we can perhaps be kind and replace 'success' with success. At the risk of flogging a dead horse, JB will objectively be a success at the club when he delivers a top ten finish in L1. However, less demanding posters will no doubt settle for being above where we were when JB arrived - i.e. above the relegation zone. I apologize in advance to some of our more 'sensitive' posters, but I refuse to refer to promotion from L2 as success. For me the job JB has done since the summer once we were relegated has been amazing, and has been a 10/10 performance. But while the relegation from L1 to L2 was not JBs fault,as I totally think it was BG and to a lesser extent TW's, JB did seem to give up alittle early for my liking a year ago, but his words towards that group of awlful players were true, and his promised rebuild for promotion is now that of a legends of BRFC. However, when he was talked about taking the Burnley job I thought that if he were to leave then his wouldn't have taken us forward in anyway, and only took us back to the level that he took over us at. For me JB has to get us challenging for the playoffs and promotion to the championship regardless of the Mem.Luton have a worst ground then us and they were almost promoted to the premiership.
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Post by bloogas on Jun 11, 2022 7:57:02 GMT
rideintothesun is categorically NOT The Thin White Duke. He may share a lot of his views (as I do), that is all. I have exchanged mails with TTWD. He's doing fine. I don't think he will be back here, or at the Mem. for the foreseeable future. Ah, I see. Thanks for clearing that up.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Jun 11, 2022 8:50:43 GMT
Situation at Swindon was apparently the exact opposite of his time at the club, with Ben Chorley (DoF) being largely responsible for the 'success' that Swindon had last season. In contrast, Widdrington and Starnes should largely be held accountable for his lack of success here. Garner also showed class after Swindon's 3-1 victory last season, when he could quite easily have rammed JB's ill-advised (and legally actionable) comments back down his throat. Tisdale, incidentally, conducted himself with similar dignity after a 4-0 reverse. Well said, i have posted, at gaschat , that he was given a brief of cutting wages and developing and selling youth, to be self sustainable. How anyone could put out relegation solely at his feet is beyond me. What i find very difficult to understand is the level of some people’s hatred over this. As i said, there, we have moved on so maybe give the guy the grace of ding the same eh
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Post by kingswood Polak on Jun 11, 2022 8:55:36 GMT
Interesting to see how he does there. The first of 3 managers to perform horrifically working with Widdrington and Starnes, before the latter led us to promotion after firing them through a cannon. Widdrington is a nice bloke etc, but should never have been within a mile of Rovers. Pal of mine at work is a Swindon supporter and said B***** had a free pass this year as nothing was expected and recruitment was all done by the DoF in any case. He went on to say that he'd be amazed if Ben makes it until Christmas before being sacked. I'm not sure and reckon he could do ok. I rather hope he does really well but, of course, not against us. I will always hold a special place in my heart for DC but BG had private problems too yet it hardly ever gets mentioned and it’s not a competition in who had the perceived worst. It’s all relative. My view was always the Widdrington should have been forced to take the manager role. All the PR on him saving the club and being Mr Bristol Rovers. He said the players were more than good enough too. I know who I believe was at fault but will leave it at that
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Post by kingswood Polak on Jun 11, 2022 9:06:09 GMT
Situation at Swindon was apparently the exact opposite of his time at the club, with Ben Chorley (DoF) being largely responsible for the 'success' that Swindon had last season. In contrast, Widdrington and Starnes should largely be held accountable for his lack of success here. Garner also showed class after Swindon's 3-1 victory last season, when he could quite easily have rammed JB's ill-advised (and legally actionable) comments back down his throat. Tisdale, incidentally, conducted himself with similar dignity after a 4-0 reverse. BGs 'success' at Swindon. JBs success at Rovers. 😉 He went to a club with , i think, 3 signed players. You cannot, fairly, compare the two. If true then B***** had the biggest budget and Garner had to deal with a club in crisis, they overachieved if anything. I will never like Swindon, for personal reasons and i am sure they will be legs up again, they have ridden their 🍀 luck to an almost unbelievable level. Sorry but not sorry about that club but i do wish BG the very best. I shall leave the vitriol to those with the extra vim and vigour to project it. Damn, how i wish i could have been at that final game. That’s the second time i have missed a seminal victory. I was offered a place in a box, for next season but it’s 18K split between 10. That is just too rich for me and i prefer the east seats over the boxes. If anyone is interested i can pass your details on, they are looking for 2-3 more.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Jun 11, 2022 9:08:57 GMT
Given that BG began the season without a first team and Swindon were tipped as lead relegation candidates, we can perhaps be kind and replace 'success' with success. At the risk of flogging a dead horse, JB will objectively be a success at the club when he delivers a top ten finish in L1. However, less demanding posters will no doubt settle for being above where we were when JB is above where we were when he arrived - above the relegation zone. I apologize in advance to some of our more 'sensitive' posters, but I refuse to refer to promotion from L2 as success. How's it going TWD? Definitely not him. I doubt this forum nor our club will see him again. Yes, i am in contact.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Jun 11, 2022 9:13:36 GMT
Those sensitive posters that deactivate their account named after a crap moniker for an overrated karaoke singer, in exchange for one of the Velvets songs where they've tried to be The Beatles? Right you are then. Garner will have to do something decent at Charlton or he'll be off by Christmas. Good luck to him after his free pass this year. Tried to be the Beatles? Come now. The Velvets were the actual innovators and true originals. The Beatles weren't even the best band of the 60s. All very subjective but if you had a poll, to gauge the top 3 from here then Bowie would be there. In my view the Beatles ( GERMANY PERIOD ) were the best rock n roll group but the pink Floyd outsold the pair. You could ask 100 people and get different replies. A time when Britain was truly great IMO
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Post by kingswood Polak on Jun 11, 2022 9:16:18 GMT
rideintothesun is categorically NOT The Thin White Duke. He may share a lot of his views (as I do), that is all. I have exchanged mails with TTWD. He's doing fine. I don't think he will be back here, or at the Mem. for the foreseeable future. Reading this made me understand the importance of reading an entire thread, prior to posting. Thanks for this timely reminder.
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Post by rideintothesun on Jun 11, 2022 17:33:10 GMT
Tried to be the Beatles? Come now. The Velvets were the actual innovators and true originals. The Beatles weren't even the best band of the 60s. All very subjective but if you had a poll, to gauge the top 3 from here then Bowie would be there. In my view the Beatles ( GERMANY PERIOD ) were the best rock n roll group but the pink Floyd outsold the pair. You could ask 100 people and get different replies. A time when Britain was truly great IMO One of the interesting things with the Beatles is that quite a few of the musicians who were around at the same time certainly didn't seem to regard them as the greatest band of all time. It seems a lot of the respect and acclaim was retrospective and part of the cultivation of a Beatles mythology that made it heresy to even question their status as the GOAT. The Beatles are also often spoken about as if they created the counter-culture when they actually rode the crest of a wave and appropriated the acclaim that should have gone to superior groups. One of the many reasons I dislike them. I've not really got Pink Floyd (especially the later stuff) or Bowie, to be honest. The greatest rock and roll group from the 60s would have to be Led Zeppelin (formed in 1968), surely?
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Post by fatherjackhackett on Jun 11, 2022 18:27:49 GMT
All very subjective but if you had a poll, to gauge the top 3 from here then Bowie would be there. In my view the Beatles ( GERMANY PERIOD ) were the best rock n roll group but the pink Floyd outsold the pair. You could ask 100 people and get different replies. A time when Britain was truly great IMO One of the interesting things with the Beatles is that quite a few of the musicians who were around at the same time certainly didn't seem to regard them as the greatest band of all time. It seems a lot of the respect and acclaim was retrospective and part of the cultivation of a Beatles mythology that made it heresy to even question their status as the GOAT. The Beatles are also often spoken about as if they created the counter-culture when they actually rode the crest of a wave and appropriated the acclaim that should have gone to superior groups. One of the many reasons I dislike them. I've not really got Pink Floyd (especially the later stuff) or Bowie, to be honest. The greatest rock and roll group from the 60s would have to be Led Zeppelin (formed in 1968), surely? In terms of innovation and range, as 60s bands go it’s The Who all day long for me. From My Generation to Tommy to Who’s Next to Quadrophenia and finishing with Who Are You.
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Post by bloogas on Jun 11, 2022 19:52:14 GMT
All very subjective but if you had a poll, to gauge the top 3 from here then Bowie would be there. In my view the Beatles ( GERMANY PERIOD ) were the best rock n roll group but the pink Floyd outsold the pair. You could ask 100 people and get different replies. A time when Britain was truly great IMO One of the interesting things with the Beatles is that quite a few of the musicians who were around at the same time certainly didn't seem to regard them as the greatest band of all time. It seems a lot of the respect and acclaim was retrospective and part of the cultivation of a Beatles mythology that made it heresy to even question their status as the GOAT. The Beatles are also often spoken about as if they created the counter-culture when they actually rode the crest of a wave and appropriated the acclaim that should have gone to superior groups. One of the many reasons I dislike them. I've not really got Pink Floyd (especially the later stuff) or Bowie, to be honest. The greatest rock and roll group from the 60s would have to be Led Zeppelin (formed in 1968), surely? I rather doubt you actually lived through the Beatlemania. I did. And at the time I would have agreed with you. It was only years later that I came to appreciate what they'd done. As such they were pretty mediocre musicians, but it was the innovation and constant moving on that marked them out. Before them - bland pop dictated by the record labels. After them - an explosion of talent. But - no Beatles, no Stones, Kinks, Led Zep, et al . Bear in mind the 5th Beatle - George Martin, who drew the best out of them. And watch the interviews with the press when they went to the USA. To watch them giving as good as they got from the journos still amazes me today. Couldn't imagine Cliff or Elvis doing it.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Jun 11, 2022 21:01:42 GMT
All very subjective but if you had a poll, to gauge the top 3 from here then Bowie would be there. In my view the Beatles ( GERMANY PERIOD ) were the best rock n roll group but the pink Floyd outsold the pair. You could ask 100 people and get different replies. A time when Britain was truly great IMO One of the interesting things with the Beatles is that quite a few of the musicians who were around at the same time certainly didn't seem to regard them as the greatest band of all time. It seems a lot of the respect and acclaim was retrospective and part of the cultivation of a Beatles mythology that made it heresy to even question their status as the GOAT. The Beatles are also often spoken about as if they created the counter-culture when they actually rode the crest of a wave and appropriated the acclaim that should have gone to superior groups. One of the many reasons I dislike them. I've not really got Pink Floyd (especially the later stuff) or Bowie, to be honest. The greatest rock and roll group from the 60s would have to be Led Zeppelin (formed in 1968), surely? I can listen to the album with stairway to heaven and enjoy every single track but no other and, believe me, i have tried. Whilst i was never into Bowie, i liked how he was able to continually reinvent his alter ego and make interesting music and his collaborations, especially where Brian ENO was concerned ( my musical genius hero) I am, very much, into lyrics and if you take both the pink Floyd and the Beatles back catalogue, there is very little that they didn’t cover and i was lucky enough to see the Floyd, whilst they were together. I was spoiled by that experience as you didn’t just get music but you got a real show. They truly changed how gigs were viewed, the Laser show, planes crashing into the stage, flying pig and crazy teacher, with cane. It blew my young mind. The wall being built up then crumbling, as a metaphor, just genius as far as i am concerned. I really enjoyed both wings and John Lennon as stand alone artists and will forever be sad the John was murdered at a time when he seemed to be really getting his life together. Also it seem George Harrison was beset with his own battles, after his brutal stabbing. Hate to take and had John lived in England then he’d have not been killed. I have been to see tribute acts of both Led zep and the Floyd and have enjoyed both. My second eldest brother played a mean guitar and so i was brought up with Camel, wishbone ash, kaz lux, Jan Ackerman ( sp) Al Di Meola, Paco Di Lucia but my own personal GOAT was the crazy Scotsman, John Martyn, a tragic story of wasted talent but who brought me some incredible memories as he loved the university circuits plus nobody can master the echo PLEX as he did He has stayed alive, within me and i can always listen to solid air and grace and danger at anytime. A true genius with all the flaws that come with that. I have truly eclectic tastes and it can range from T-Rex ( don’t laugh at the back) to Chopin, Beethoven, List and many many more. My collection is now on a server, in FLAC format and i have a HiFi that i took 25 years to get to the sound i love. As you can tell, it’s something i am very passionate about and have had some of this countries top people both give their opinion to settinng up my kit for for me. Lord knows how much i spent in total ? as i dread to think but the set up i have had for 4 years now, is an active one and i can listen to my collection and find something new in each recording. Bowies final album, Black star , i did not like it at first but, Mozart apart, who knowingly wrote their own requiem ? I now think it’s a work of genius, to make a play of it also and to face his end with such bravery. Cold Lazarus gives me the shivers. So much more i could write but i think that’s enough, i do envy those old enough to have seen the true greats. It’s the only time when i wish i was older
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Post by kingswood Polak on Jun 11, 2022 21:07:35 GMT
Given that BG began the season without a first team and Swindon were tipped as lead relegation candidates, we can perhaps be kind and replace 'success' with success. At the risk of flogging a dead horse, JB will objectively be a success at the club when he delivers a top ten finish in L1. However, less demanding posters will no doubt settle for being above where we were when JB arrived - i.e. above the relegation zone. I apologize in advance to some of our more 'sensitive' posters, but I refuse to refer to promotion from L2 as success. For me the job JB has done since the summer once we were relegated has been amazing, and has been a 10/10 performance. But while the relegation from L1 to L2 was not JBs fault,as I totally think it was BG and to a lesser extent TW's, JB did seem to give up alittle early for my liking a year ago, but his words towards that group of awlful players were true, and his promised rebuild for promotion is now that of a legends of BRFC. However, when he was talked about taking the Burnley job I thought that if he were to leave then his wouldn't have taken us forward in anyway, and only took us back to the level that he took over us at. For me JB has to get us challenging for the playoffs and promotion to the championship regardless of the Mem.Luton have a worst ground then us and they were almost promoted to the premiership. Agree with all you say apart from legend status. That word is extremely overused these days but the use of language has changed. To me, to be considered a legend is something that comes with many years service and also it bothers me to see flags with get the cigars out and the like. I have had to quit on several people who see that as something good and to boast about. Anyway, agree with the rest.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Jun 11, 2022 21:20:21 GMT
One of the interesting things with the Beatles is that quite a few of the musicians who were around at the same time certainly didn't seem to regard them as the greatest band of all time. It seems a lot of the respect and acclaim was retrospective and part of the cultivation of a Beatles mythology that made it heresy to even question their status as the GOAT. The Beatles are also often spoken about as if they created the counter-culture when they actually rode the crest of a wave and appropriated the acclaim that should have gone to superior groups. One of the many reasons I dislike them. I've not really got Pink Floyd (especially the later stuff) or Bowie, to be honest. The greatest rock and roll group from the 60s would have to be Led Zeppelin (formed in 1968), surely? I rather doubt you actually lived through the Beatlemania. I did. And at the time I would have agreed with you. It was only years later that I came to appreciate what they'd done. As such they were pretty mediocre musicians, but it was the innovation and constant moving on that marked them out. Before them - bland pop dictated by the record labels. After them - an explosion of talent. But - no Beatles, no Stones, Kinks, Led Zep, et al . Bear in mind the 5th Beatle - George Martin, who drew the best out of them. And watch the interviews with the press when they went to the USA. To watch them giving as good as they got from the journos still amazes me today. Couldn't imagine Cliff or Elvis doing it. You make some very good points and i agree with you , completely. Take away the hype, screaming girls and you some superbly crafted songs, Elenor Rigby, so sad and especially the father McKenzie very sad stanza and then , from Sgt Peppers, she’s leaving home. I know that album was not a true collaboration as they were already arguing but there are some cracking songs, ones that stick with you, George Harrisons within and without you, they had grown and it showed. Lyrics, i remember getting the album and looking at the sleeve, the cut outs inside and the lyrics and then to hear it, just amazing. As i have said, totally subjective and each will have their own personal taste but the USA was an absolute triumph and i think we could, maybe all agree, that those days are long gone. This is where Rick Johansen would be a great addition to this debate although i will never agree with him wrt the monkees, the worlds first manufactured band. Sadly, i am not a believer, if i tried 😂
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Post by swissgas on Jun 11, 2022 21:22:04 GMT
Yes, confirmed so good luck to him. Charlton fans seem fairly happy with the appointment according to their forum, or at least the one I read. He’s talking about possession and exciting football which has endeared him to them. Mind you not sure which manager doesn’t talk about those things. He’ll need to transfer what he wants into results, something he couldn’t do here but he will have learnt some hard lessons with us which should help him. Lesson 1 don’t sell your top scorer then replace him with wide attackers or midfield attackers! Lesson 2 when recruiting ensure the people recruiting know what they’re doing and don’t stop recruiting after sorting out your defence and midfield. Continue to recruit strikers. But he could do well and even our history is littered with players and managers who have done well at other places and then bombed with us or even those who were failures elsewhere but came here and were successful. Even DC must have been near leaving us after a tough start before he succeeded. Gerry F, sacked at Exeter, came here and did well. Billy Bodin, troubles elsewhere but came here and thrived. Even JCH very recently. Past failures should never predict what happens in the future. And successful people will show determination to do well after setbacks. Good luck to him. UTG! Good sentiments there Wareham. Learning from past failures gives us a better chance of doing well after setbacks and in Ben Garner's case I should think he has made it a career priority to always ensure he has the necessary support to be able to do what he does best, coaching footballers, and that he won't be designing any more training grounds. I saw your comments attracted some opposition on Gaschat because you dared to criticise Wael but I agree with you. If Wael had explained to fans why he was making a complete philosophy change by replacing Coughlan with Garner and how the new project was going to be carried out then I think Gasheads would have been patient. It could have meant Rovers embarking on the road to a form of sustainability rather than being forced back to the vicious circle of high wages and long contracts.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Jun 11, 2022 21:46:06 GMT
Yes, confirmed so good luck to him. Charlton fans seem fairly happy with the appointment according to their forum, or at least the one I read. He’s talking about possession and exciting football which has endeared him to them. Mind you not sure which manager doesn’t talk about those things. He’ll need to transfer what he wants into results, something he couldn’t do here but he will have learnt some hard lessons with us which should help him. Lesson 1 don’t sell your top scorer then replace him with wide attackers or midfield attackers! Lesson 2 when recruiting ensure the people recruiting know what they’re doing and don’t stop recruiting after sorting out your defence and midfield. Continue to recruit strikers. But he could do well and even our history is littered with players and managers who have done well at other places and then bombed with us or even those who were failures elsewhere but came here and were successful. Even DC must have been near leaving us after a tough start before he succeeded. Gerry F, sacked at Exeter, came here and did well. Billy Bodin, troubles elsewhere but came here and thrived. Even JCH very recently. Past failures should never predict what happens in the future. And successful people will show determination to do well after setbacks. Good luck to him. UTG! Good sentiments there Wareham. Learning from past failures gives us a better chance of doing well after setbacks and in Ben Garner's case I should think he has made it a career priority to always ensure he has the necessary support to be able to do what he does best, coaching footballers, and that he won't be designing any more training grounds. I saw your comments attracted some opposition on Gaschat because you dared to criticise Wael but I agree with you. If Wael had explained to fans why he was making a complete philosophy change by replacing Coughlan with Garner and how the new project was going to be carried out then I think Gasheads would have been patient. It could have meant Rovers embarking on the road to a form of sustainability rather than being forced back to the vicious circle of high wages and long contracts. Nailed on my friend. It is not well tolerated to criticise our owner yet he too is only human and i believe he made a public apology about lessons being learned. Let’s face it though, GC left on a false high. We were playing truly dour football and crowds were as low as 6400 against some of the better teams, fans voted with their absence. I don’t think anyone should take umbrage if what is being said or written is based in truth. It is a dangerous route to take when someone is above criticism, even though i respect loyalty. Let’s now see what we can expect in tier 3. I am hoping we do something i can’t remember doing and that is to start really well and then stay that way
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Post by swissgas on Jun 11, 2022 21:57:25 GMT
Good sentiments there Wareham. Learning from past failures gives us a better chance of doing well after setbacks and in Ben Garner's case I should think he has made it a career priority to always ensure he has the necessary support to be able to do what he does best, coaching footballers, and that he won't be designing any more training grounds. I saw your comments attracted some opposition on Gaschat because you dared to criticise Wael but I agree with you. If Wael had explained to fans why he was making a complete philosophy change by replacing Coughlan with Garner and how the new project was going to be carried out then I think Gasheads would have been patient. It could have meant Rovers embarking on the road to a form of sustainability rather than being forced back to the vicious circle of high wages and long contracts. Nailed on my friend. It is not well tolerated to criticise our owner yet he too is only human and i believe he made a public apology about lessons being learned. Let’s face it though, GC left on a false high. We were playing truly dour football and crowds were as low as 6400 against some of the better teams, fans voted with their absence. I don’t think anyone should take umbrage if what is being said or written is based in truth. It is a dangerous route to take when someone is above criticism, even though i respect loyalty. Let’s now see what we can expect in tier 3. I am hoping we do something i can’t remember doing and that is to start really well and then stay that way Were you around in 73/74 KP ? We started off with a 3-0 away win against our bogey team Bournemouth and, apart from a blip near the end, kept it up to gain promotion to Championship level averaging 13000 at Eastville.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Jun 12, 2022 8:58:47 GMT
Nailed on my friend. It is not well tolerated to criticise our owner yet he too is only human and i believe he made a public apology about lessons being learned. Let’s face it though, GC left on a false high. We were playing truly dour football and crowds were as low as 6400 against some of the better teams, fans voted with their absence. I don’t think anyone should take umbrage if what is being said or written is based in truth. It is a dangerous route to take when someone is above criticism, even though i respect loyalty. Let’s now see what we can expect in tier 3. I am hoping we do something i can’t remember doing and that is to start really well and then stay that way Were you around in 73/74 KP ? We started off with a 3-0 away win against our bogey team Bournemouth and, apart from a blip near the end, kept it up to gain promotion to Championship level averaging 13000 at Eastville. That was my first season where my dad let me go onto the tote end and one that only old timers would take away. The park, nearby had sprayed on it, don’t say god, say Megson. A superb period in my life
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