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Post by emperorsuperbus on Apr 27, 2022 19:34:32 GMT
Well as Delsy said "Now that they have both been promoted the pressure has been taken off so I would imagine that they will be going for it hammer and tongs and also enjoying every minute of it along the way." I think they both can do us a big favour by Exeter beating Northampton & Port Vale and FGR beating Mansfield, for those two it will then be down to goal difference for the title. Hmm,FGR get promoted and lose at Swindon. Proves nothing of course. I'm suspicious that it's all about promotion these days.Like eg gaining promotion to the top division. Cash beats titles. I don't know how much more of the filthy lucre is got for going from 4th to 3rd tier? I certainly hope the two promoted FCs give their all to become Champions. Gas might be reliant on late FGR equaliser at ‘field for our promotion. Take a tranny day.
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Post by GasMacc1 on Apr 27, 2022 21:15:14 GMT
Salford City could still make the play-offs if just two of the five teams immediately above them misfire over the next two weeks. Their next match is against: Mansfield Town.
I would have thought Salford must be strongly motivated to do well against the Stags. They need a win, of course, but from Rovers' point of view a draw would be just as effective.
I've just been on their official site. It's not exactly vibrating with excitement about the significance of the match. Apart from ticket information, there's nothing!
Incidentally, the match is due to be shown on Sky on Monday, 12:30 kick-off. So Mansfield will know in advance whether a win for them would put them in the box-seat, or merely keep them in touch with their rivals.
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Post by eppinggas on Apr 28, 2022 8:41:26 GMT
How Exeter City's fan-owned model secured League Two promotion"It's taken us a long time," says Exeter City president Julian Tagg as he surveys the squad of players celebrating promotion to the third tier of English football. The Grecians' promotion to League One, after five seasons of near-misses and play-off finals agony, shows a side does not always need a wealthy backer to succeed in the EFL. The fan-owned club is now aiming to pip long-time leaders Forest Green Rovers to the League Two title with two games left. Next season they will pit their wits against Derby County, who are still in administration after the excesses of their owner's overspending. Exeter's current status is born out of almost going out of business in 2003, with Tagg and other fans leading a takeover. Since then the club has focused on developing their young players with the aim of getting them into the first team and selling them on - with great success. England striker Ollie Watkins has netted the club around £4.5m in add-ons from his sale to Aston Villa from Brentford, with the club likely to get another £150,000 if Steven Gerrard's side avoid relegation. That is in addition to the £1.8m they received when they sold him to the Bees in 2017. Add that to £1m-plus fees for the likes of Matt Grimes, Ethan Ampadu and Joel Randall, as well as six-figure fees for players such as Jordan Storey, David Wheeler and Tom Nicholls over the years and the club has probably banked close to £10m from players they have developed and sold on. Hats off to Exeter City. Promoted, with a sustainable business model - you have to make the books balance when you are fan-owned. On average gates this season of just over 5,000. Perhaps some lessons to be learnt.
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Post by baselswh on Apr 28, 2022 8:45:10 GMT
How Exeter City's fan-owned model secured League Two promotion"It's taken us a long time," says Exeter City president Julian Tagg as he surveys the squad of players celebrating promotion to the third tier of English football. The Grecians' promotion to League One, after five seasons of near-misses and play-off finals agony, shows a side does not always need a wealthy backer to succeed in the EFL. The fan-owned club is now aiming to pip long-time leaders Forest Green Rovers to the League Two title with two games left. Next season they will pit their wits against Derby County, who are still in administration after the excesses of their owner's overspending. Exeter's current status is born out of almost going out of business in 2003, with Tagg and other fans leading a takeover. Since then the club has focused on developing their young players with the aim of getting them into the first team and selling them on - with great success. England striker Ollie Watkins has netted the club around £4.5m in add-ons from his sale to Aston Villa from Brentford, with the club likely to get another £150,000 if Steven Gerrard's side avoid relegation. That is in addition to the £1.8m they received when they sold him to the Bees in 2017. Add that to £1m-plus fees for the likes of Matt Grimes, Ethan Ampadu and Joel Randall, as well as six-figure fees for players such as Jordan Storey, David Wheeler and Tom Nicholls over the years and the club has probably banked close to £10m from players they have developed and sold on. Hats off to Exeter City. Promoted, with a sustainable business model - you have to make the books balance when you are fan-owned. On average gates this season of just over 5,000. Perhaps some lessons to be learnt. Yep fair play to the Grecians. Their acid test is establishing themselves as a 3rd tier fc.
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Post by warehamgas on Apr 28, 2022 18:45:09 GMT
Hats off to Exeter City. Promoted, with a sustainable business model - you have to make the books balance when you are fan-owned. On average gates this season of just over 5,000. Perhaps some lessons to be learnt. Yep fair play to the Grecians. Their acid test is establishing themselves as a 3rd tier fc. Indeed, fair play to them. I’m pleased they are going up. But I’m pretty sure that establishing themselves as a 3rd tier FC will be very hard. They may or probably will have 2/3 seasons in League 1 but I bet they won’t challenge or be anything more than a mid table team at best. That may not sound respectful but they are dependent upon having a good team before they are forced to sell their better players who have got them there and hoping they can recruit at a similar standard. A very hard thing to do. They will become similar to those PL teams who start out concerned with getting to the 40 points that preserves their PL status only doing it in League 1. Little else. Wycombe have achieved it with the help of a great manager and the recent money of Ceulig. But it seems not fans-owned, no where near. AFCW have done well but are now getting relegated after struggling for 3 years at the bottom end of League 1. Crewe similar. We did well with the players who took us up but we know what happened. We weren’t able to keep those players and their replacements and the recruitment in general was poor. I think Exeter will complete with several cubs to get to mid table, Cheltenham, Shrewsbury, Accrington, Burton, Cambridge and Morecambe and those coming up. The losers out of that group will be in a relegation fight. Being a fans-owned club in a league where the others aren’t means it isn’t a level playing field financially. They’ll do alright but only that and the test will be recruiting equally to what they lose. There is a huge glass ceiling that will be difficult to smash imo. Pompey realised to compete in League 1 they needed to ditch their fans-owned status and sell out to Eisner who had the money. It’s not worked out yet but it will and their ground development sounds exciting and a huge improvement. Exeter will probably not do that but remain fans-owned, achieve above their status and get all the plaudits for doing it. They will not challenge for promotion. UTG!
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Post by a more piratey game on Apr 28, 2022 18:50:01 GMT
Yep fair play to the Grecians. Their acid test is establishing themselves as a 3rd tier fc. Indeed, fair play to them. I’m pleased they are going up. But I’m pretty sure that establishing themselves as a 3rd tier FC will be very hard. They may or probably will have 2/3 seasons in League 1 but I bet they won’t challenge or be anything more than a mid table team at best. UTG! Which is what we were about 14 months ago, and about as good as we got under Saint Darrell Hope thay enjoy the ride
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Post by swissgas on Apr 28, 2022 19:32:30 GMT
Yep fair play to the Grecians. Their acid test is establishing themselves as a 3rd tier fc. Indeed, fair play to them. I’m pleased they are going up. But I’m pretty sure that establishing themselves as a 3rd tier FC will be very hard. They may or probably will have 2/3 seasons in League 1 but I bet they won’t challenge or be anything more than a mid table team at best. That may not sound respectful but they are dependent upon having a good team before they are forced to sell their better players who have got them there and hoping they can recruit at a similar standard. A very hard thing to do. They will become similar to those PL teams who start out concerned with getting to the 40 points that preserves their PL status only doing it in League 1. Little else. Wycombe have achieved it with the help of a great manager and the recent money of Ceulig. But it seems not fans-owned, no where near. AFCW have done well but are now getting relegated after struggling for 3 years at the bottom end of League 1. Crewe similar. We did well with the players who took us up but we know what happened. We weren’t able to keep those players and their replacements and the recruitment in general was poor. I think Exeter will complete with several cubs to get to mid table, Cheltenham, Shrewsbury, Accrington, Burton, Cambridge and Morecambe and those coming up. The losers out of that group will be in a relegation fight. Being a fans-owned club in a league where the others aren’t means it isn’t a level playing field financially. They’ll do alright but only that and the test will be recruiting equally to what they lose. There is a huge glass ceiling that will be difficult to smash imo. Pompey realised to compete in League 1 they needed to ditch their fans-owned status and sell out to Eisner who had the money. It’s not worked out yet but it will and their ground development sounds exciting and a huge improvement. Exeter will probably not do that but remain fans-owned, achieve above their status and get all the plaudits for doing it. They will not challenge for promotion. UTG! What I like about Exeter City is their transparency with fans which means everyone knows what the plan is and what is trying to be achieved so the highs as well as the lows are shared and this, IMO, increases the enjoyment and feeling of being part of a club. Few will want to hear about how their financial cost base compares to Rovers but some might be interested in their training ground plan. Last year they announced a £2.2 million redevelopment but a few months ago suffered a setback when their contractors pulled out due to rising material costs. They didn't hide this fact but let supporters know and set about negotiations with an alternative developer. They have now reached an agreement so the project is back on track and expected to be completed by September.
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Post by Colyton Gas. on Apr 28, 2022 19:50:48 GMT
Port Vale and Walsall have both made significant announcements in the past 24 hours.Vale's lady owner Carol Shanahan has paid the previous owner Norman Smurthwaite the final instalment of her agreement three years ago when she took over and agreed to buy Vale Park and intends to plough a lot of money into improving their stadium which she now owns.She carries out regular interviews on Radio Stoke keeping the fans informed of plans.She used to involve then Manager John Askey very often. Walsall have re named their ground after their new sponsors-Poundland- and obtained an amazing sum for the privilege. Nick Higgs made regular,'News Statements' but never actually said anything. Good to keep fans in the know-Good or not so good!!!
We purchased Port Vale FC and Vale Park from Norman Smurthwaite on 7th May 2019.
The agreement was for an initial payment to be made by cash and the remainder in instalments over the next 3 years.
This was guaranteed by a charge on Vale Park plus a debenture on the club.
Today the final payment was made and therefore this charge and debenture have both been released.
The first three years of our tenure have been challenging but rewarding and we are both proud and delighted with the progress the club is making.
We are only just getting started and would like to thank our supporters, our sponsors and partner organisations for their unwavering support as we continue work to make Port Vale a footballing and commercial success, a beacon within the industry and a club we can all be proud to call our own.
UTV!
Walsall. The club had revealed its partnership with Banks's, which had held the first sponsorship of the ground since 2007, would finish at the end of this season.
West Midlands-based Poundland will also feature on the Saddlers' two-tier stand and be the shirt sponsor.
The club moved from Fellows Park to Bescot, an area of Walsall, in 1990.
The Saddlers said it would be "the largest commercial partnership" in its history as it announced the deal with Poundland, which has been partnered with the club since early 2020.
Its customer support centre is based in the area.
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Post by warehamgas on Apr 28, 2022 22:11:34 GMT
Indeed, fair play to them. I’m pleased they are going up. But I’m pretty sure that establishing themselves as a 3rd tier FC will be very hard. They may or probably will have 2/3 seasons in League 1 but I bet they won’t challenge or be anything more than a mid table team at best. That may not sound respectful but they are dependent upon having a good team before they are forced to sell their better players who have got them there and hoping they can recruit at a similar standard. A very hard thing to do. They will become similar to those PL teams who start out concerned with getting to the 40 points that preserves their PL status only doing it in League 1. Little else. Wycombe have achieved it with the help of a great manager and the recent money of Ceulig. But it seems not fans-owned, no where near. AFCW have done well but are now getting relegated after struggling for 3 years at the bottom end of League 1. Crewe similar. We did well with the players who took us up but we know what happened. We weren’t able to keep those players and their replacements and the recruitment in general was poor. I think Exeter will complete with several cubs to get to mid table, Cheltenham, Shrewsbury, Accrington, Burton, Cambridge and Morecambe and those coming up. The losers out of that group will be in a relegation fight. Being a fans-owned club in a league where the others aren’t means it isn’t a level playing field financially. They’ll do alright but only that and the test will be recruiting equally to what they lose. There is a huge glass ceiling that will be difficult to smash imo. Pompey realised to compete in League 1 they needed to ditch their fans-owned status and sell out to Eisner who had the money. It’s not worked out yet but it will and their ground development sounds exciting and a huge improvement. Exeter will probably not do that but remain fans-owned, achieve above their status and get all the plaudits for doing it. They will not challenge for promotion. UTG! What I like about Exeter City is their transparency with fans which means everyone knows what the plan is and what is trying to be achieved so the highs as well as the lows are shared and this, IMO, increases the enjoyment and feeling of being part of a club. Few will want to hear about how their financial cost base compares to Rovers but some might be interested in their training ground plan. Last year they announced a £2.2 million redevelopment but a few months ago suffered a setback when their contractors pulled out due to rising material costs. They didn't hide this fact but let supporters know and set about negotiations with an alternative developer. They have now reached an agreement so the project is back on track and expected to be completed by September. <button disabled="" class="c-attachment-insert--linked o-btn--sm">Attachment Deleted</button> Yes, it’s a good point. I like their transparency as well and it’s a good attribute to have in any form of business. It helps engender trust amongst your fans/ customers/ clients and shows you are prepared to deal with stuff that is problematic. Hiding stuff or distracting from the issues doesn’t help anyone and in time builds up a sense of uncertainty and frustration. If you try to keep quiet or hide stuff you just know that someone will disclose or ask searching questions anyway. It’s always a silly thing to do. You only have to look back and see how in many situations it is the attempts to cover up that causes the problem, Watergate, the Yorkshire CCC racism, various health scandals and many others. Its daft, be open, be transparent and if something has gone wrong, admit it and explain what you are doing to resolve the problem. Takes a lot less time and a lot less stress to do that, rather than tieing yourself in knots trying to defend the indefensible. Not that I’m comparing Exeter with us. And I’m sure your not either. Are you Swiss? 🤔 UTG!
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Post by CabbagePatchBlues on Apr 29, 2022 4:56:48 GMT
Hats off to Exeter City. Promoted, with a sustainable business model - you have to make the books balance when you are fan-owned. On average gates this season of just over 5,000. Perhaps some lessons to be learnt. Yep fair play to the Grecians. Their acid test is establishing themselves as a 3rd tier fc. A bit like us then.
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Post by baselswh on Apr 29, 2022 6:00:21 GMT
Yep fair play to the Grecians. Their acid test is establishing themselves as a 3rd tier fc. A bit like us then. Well yes,but I think we are nearer that than the Grecians,apart from the fact they will be 3rd tier next time and we might be.🙂 I regularly talk football with a Grecians supporter,he travels from Bristol to all their home games. One thing we agree on - not surprisingly - is the importance of holding on to your 'good uns'. The eternal fc challenge. That accepted, there's the ever increasingly vital loan market.Both ECFC and Rovers will be looking to replace players.It's very much part of our UK football scene now. Obviously there are plenty of challenges,but a club must play the loan market well.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Apr 29, 2022 13:33:26 GMT
Best odds for the last automatic promotion slot as follows: Northampton 11-8 Port Vale 3-1 Rovers 9-2 (bet 365). As tight as 3-1 elsewhere. Mansfield 6-1 Sutton 16-1 Swindon 150-1 Oddschecker indicate that 'most' bets are currently on Rovers. www.oddschecker.com/football/english/league-2/english-league-2/top-3-finishI think we'll win both games - though Dale away might not prove as easy as some people are suggesting. Rovers are 5-4 best. Exeter / Northampton is a tough call. Will Exeter have a hangover (like FGR did) on gaining promotion? What state will they be in against in-form Northampton at sickfields? Exeter and Northampton are currently 1st and 2nd in the form table (6 games). Interesting times. “Oddschecker indicate that 'most' bets are currently on Rovers.” clever bettors have looked at the fixtures and know we are the value bet. I expected more value though, just shows the bookies have looked at everyone’s fixtures And think we are going up automatically too. it’s simple we will definitely get six points, non of the others will, though Mansfield may come closest. Northampton need four and better goal difference than us in theory, but we have better chance of 6 than they have 4. Who said “if we can’t be confident now when can we be confident?” That’s spot on! I would be much more confident if we had a true striker as we certainly create the chances. I take nothing for granted and my expectation are a win and a draw. I do not expect 2 victories but that’s me and, as the poster said earlier, i too have seen some apparent dead certs turn into damp squibs
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Post by kingswood Polak on Apr 29, 2022 13:36:44 GMT
Now that they have both been promoted the pressure has been taken off so I would imagine that they will be going for it hammer and tongs and also enjoying every minute of it along the way. Or maybe playing in a more relaxed manner which actually makes them play better. There is the possibility that they could be on the beach in their heads though
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Post by kingswood Polak on Apr 29, 2022 13:40:54 GMT
Well as Delsy said "Now that they have both been promoted the pressure has been taken off so I would imagine that they will be going for it hammer and tongs and also enjoying every minute of it along the way." I think they both can do us a big favour by Exeter beating Northampton & Port Vale and FGR beating Mansfield, for those two it will then be down to goal difference for the title. Hmm,FGR get promoted and lose at Swindon. Proves nothing of course. I'm suspicious that it's all about promotion these days.Like eg gaining promotion to the top division. Cash beats titles. I don't know how much more of the filthy lucre is got for going from 4th to 3rd tier? I certainly hope the two promoted FCs give their all to become Champions. It was widely touted that the players had 20-25% less pay in being relegated but nothing that i could substantiate
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Post by kingswood Polak on Apr 29, 2022 13:44:04 GMT
How Exeter City's fan-owned model secured League Two promotion"It's taken us a long time," says Exeter City president Julian Tagg as he surveys the squad of players celebrating promotion to the third tier of English football. The Grecians' promotion to League One, after five seasons of near-misses and play-off finals agony, shows a side does not always need a wealthy backer to succeed in the EFL. The fan-owned club is now aiming to pip long-time leaders Forest Green Rovers to the League Two title with two games left. Next season they will pit their wits against Derby County, who are still in administration after the excesses of their owner's overspending. Exeter's current status is born out of almost going out of business in 2003, with Tagg and other fans leading a takeover. Since then the club has focused on developing their young players with the aim of getting them into the first team and selling them on - with great success. England striker Ollie Watkins has netted the club around £4.5m in add-ons from his sale to Aston Villa from Brentford, with the club likely to get another £150,000 if Steven Gerrard's side avoid relegation. That is in addition to the £1.8m they received when they sold him to the Bees in 2017. Add that to £1m-plus fees for the likes of Matt Grimes, Ethan Ampadu and Joel Randall, as well as six-figure fees for players such as Jordan Storey, David Wheeler and Tom Nicholls over the years and the club has probably banked close to £10m from players they have developed and sold on. Hats off to Exeter City. Promoted, with a sustainable business model - you have to make the books balance when you are fan-owned. On average gates this season of just over 5,000. Perhaps some lessons to be learnt. As understood it, the guys behind rovers agenda for change had such ideas too
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Post by kingswood Polak on Apr 29, 2022 13:49:26 GMT
Indeed, fair play to them. I’m pleased they are going up. But I’m pretty sure that establishing themselves as a 3rd tier FC will be very hard. They may or probably will have 2/3 seasons in League 1 but I bet they won’t challenge or be anything more than a mid table team at best. UTG! Which is what we were about 14 months ago, and about as good as we got under Saint Darrell Hope thay enjoy the ride A bit unfair I’d say as we know what happened with MT and Clarke becoming increasingly frustrated with lack of promised facilities and funds. At least he got us our first consecutive promotions whereas JB has not done anything, not yet
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Post by a more piratey game on Apr 29, 2022 17:39:03 GMT
Which is what we were about 14 months ago, and about as good as we got under Saint Darrell Hope thay enjoy the ride A bit unfair I’d say as we know what happened with MT and Clarke becoming increasingly frustrated with lack of promised facilities and funds. At least he got us our first consecutive promotions whereas JB has not done anything, not yet Yes, it is a bit. I suppose my point was that as a 'bigger club' we've stalled at that level the last 2 times we've reached it - under Trolls (when he brought in Snowflake and some others who were aimed at being capable of taking us up a level), and under DC So it won't be surprising if the Grecians don't get past that level either. But I do hope they enjoy the ride - it's a noticeably better standard of footy at the top of League 1 (not so much at the bottom IMO)
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Post by Nobbygas on Apr 29, 2022 18:39:29 GMT
Back on track....All the teams at the top have to play at least one game against another team at the top, except us. Four points from our last two games will guarantee a play-off spot. Six points and we could just sneak that third spot. The one to watch for us is Northanpton v Exeter. Exeter have to win, otherwise Northampton will finish third.
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Post by harrybuckle on Apr 29, 2022 20:00:40 GMT
Back on track....All the teams at the top have to play at least one game against another team at the top, except us. Four points from our last two games will guarantee a play-off spot. Six points and we could just sneak that third spot. The one to watch for us is Northanpton v Exeter. Exeter have to win, otherwise Northampton will finish third. Cobblers Can see them slipping up
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