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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Apr 21, 2022 9:50:55 GMT
"This isn't the club I recognise"
Unprompted quote.
December 2021, quoted by a semi celebrity skin head GasHead that if you were in North Bristol in 80s, he would have been ever-present. We looked up to him, back in the day. We still do.
Hey.......everyone has their relationship with everyone here and the club, staff, owners managers, coaches, some are more invested emotionally than others, but the fact we all commune on here exactly equates to the same fact we don't just judge our consumption of the club as a cold business transaction...?
We all take things further. Sometimes on a business/commercial level, sometimes on a more personal level..... that's why you're here on this forum. That's why I'm here on this forum.
This is also why for some months, I've withdrawn my engagement here:
Imagine my disdain and disgust?
The club I love and have embraced since a kid, treating employees and staff like a commodity....I know they treat players like this (staff) but us fans, indeed patrons of the club that pay our way are certainly not far from next treatment.
The new CEO (TG) decided to make a sweeping round of redundancies, with roles and jobs that were still needed and not therefore made obsolete or, redundant....?
Unless my understanding of basic employment law has altered?
I thought there was a duty of care...?.....a duty of care that once highlighted, the club are honoured and legally bound to help one of their own. I can say, with a heavy heart, TG has been a director and been well aware of numerous incidents (that he's nonchalantly ignored) within his directorship appointment, leading to the mental health breakdown of some employees.
Doesn't give a fig. Not interested.
It's disgusting.
So..... instead of helping, it was far more productive to sweep them all aside to "restructure" when in thinly veiled "replace" was more apt..... without the necessary paid up expenses. To staff that have loyally served the club through hard times. I'm not saying he can't change things his way, but it has to conducted in the proper and correct manner, not employ an inept HR "person" that has become a guest in his box.
For this, and many other incidents, some too private to share, some not to betray the trust of individuals, (for instance I have evidence the club broke furlough laws circa March 2020) I have chosen to stop extra funding to the club, it won't mean jack to TG or you, or anyone in like but it will satisfy my conscience.... it's left me with total apathy and (ironically) shifting my emphasis of support to the very least of caring in the club - the players - because my trust and faith has all but withered for the structure of employers that has resonated leaving me to think, for me, this isn't the club I recognise.
A question of loyalty?
I guess that works more than one way.
In lockdown, some staff were relied on and championed as much as the missed fanbase. It appears a falsehood, when there's a £ to be exploited (ask some South Stand season ticket holders re FGR match!?) or nepotism behind the scenes....so my post is here to add balance and awareness for those whom are interested.
The future may be Bright, the future may be Gorringe (for anyone that remembers the pun from advert) but for me I can holistically see it isn't like this for everyone..
Thank you for your indulgence and patience, it's nice to see some recognised posters still here. And to some new ones. As ever, brothers and sisters and inbetweeners: UptheGas!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2022 10:24:52 GMT
Is this quote from the club vicar? If so, not all of us looked up to him, or do so now.
Pointless violence and religion. Two things to abhor in my opinion.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Apr 21, 2022 10:44:14 GMT
"This isn't the club I recognise" Unprompted quote. December 2021, quoted by a semi celebrity skin head GasHead that if you were in North Bristol in 80s, he would have been ever-present. We looked up to him, back in the day. We still do. Hey.......everyone has their relationship with everyone here and the club, staff, owners managers, coaches, some are more invested emotionally than others, but the fact we all commune on here exactly equates to the same fact we don't just judge our consumption of the club as a cold business transaction...? We all take things further. Sometimes on a business/commercial level, sometimes on a more personal level..... that's why you're here on this forum. That's why I'm here on this forum. This is also why for some months, I've withdrawn my engagement here: Imagine my disdain and disgust? The club I love and have embraced since a kid, treating employees and staff like a commodity....I know they treat players like this (staff) but us fans, indeed patrons of the club that pay our way are certainly not far from next treatment. The new CEO (TG) decided to make a sweeping round of redundancies, with roles and jobs that were still needed and not therefore made obsolete or, redundant....? Unless my understanding of basic employment law has altered? I thought there was a duty of care...?.....a duty of care that once highlighted, the club are honoured and legally bound to help one of their own. I can say, with a heavy heart, TG has been a director and been well aware of numerous incidents (that he's nonchalantly ignored) within his directorship appointment, leading to the mental health breakdown of some employees. Doesn't give a fig. Not interested. Even when he issued his staff survey last year, the results were ominous, instead of focusing on how to improve the mental health issues surrounding his management of situations, all his interest was to pepper the safeguard officer at the time to betray confidence and inform on whom said what. It's disgusting. So..... instead of helping, it was far more productive to sweep them all aside to "restructure" when in thinly veiled "replace" was more apt..... without the necessary paid up expenses. To staff that have loyally served the club through hard times. I'm not saying he can't change things his way, but it has to conducted in the proper and correct manner, not employ an inept HR "person" that has become a guest in his box. For this, and many other incidents, some too private to share, some not to betray the trust of individuals, (for instance I have evidence the club broke furlough laws circa March 2020) I have chosen to stop extra funding to the club, it won't mean jack to TG or you, or anyone in like but it will satisfy my conscience.... it's left me with total apathy and (ironically) shifting my emphasis of support to the very least of caring in the club - the players - because my trust and faith has all but withered for the structure of employers that has resonated leaving me to think, for me, this isn't the club I recognise. A question of loyalty? I guess that works more than one way. In lockdown, some staff were relied on and championed as much as the missed fanbase. It appears a falsehood, when there's a £ to be exploited (ask some South Stand season ticket holders re FGR match!?) or nepotism behind the scenes....so my post is here to add balance and awareness for those whom are interested. The future may be Bright, the future may be Gorringe (for anyone that remembers the pun from advert) but for me I can holistically see it isn't like this for everyone.. Thank you for your indulgence and patience, it's nice to see some recognised posters still here. And to some new ones. As ever, brothers and sisters and inbetweeners: UptheGas! Totally understand and empathise. I agree with everything written and back it 100%. The club is being run in the same way a bank would act, no conscience or thought and certainly no respect for loyalty. Such is life. It is not the club i grew up with and it has become a much colder place for it Incredibly well articulated and sums up my own feelings, to the “T”. The difference between you and I, i would give that evidence over to the authorities. I would think it my duty, whoever was in charge. This is not an attack of an individual but IF this happened then it needs redressing , toute suite. The club are very lucky you have not do this |
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Post by kingswood Polak on Apr 21, 2022 10:51:25 GMT
Is this quote from the club vicar? If so, not all of us looked up to him, or do so now. Pointless violence and religion. Two things to abhor in my opinion. UTG I would say one of two people, probably the author is my guess as Bob was not always a skinhead but then, neither was the author. One is dead now, the other very much alive |
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Post by kingswood Polak on Apr 21, 2022 10:54:16 GMT
Is this quote from the club vicar? If so, not all of us looked up to him, or do so now. Pointless violence and religion. Two things to abhor in my opinion. UTG Two more, dodging tax and income and turning on your own. Both equally as bad as i see it |
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Apr 21, 2022 12:04:17 GMT
Is this quote from the club vicar? If so, not all of us looked up to him, or do so now. Pointless violence and religion. Two things to abhor in my opinion. UTG I'm not going to get bogged down with identity of the quoter, but not Jealksy. What I took from it was: Two (at least) opinions formulated from different sides with no direct contact with each other, converging. I know I'm not alone in expressing this privately, but how many express it publicly? Well said, well posted, good analogy, Kp......much respect. As always. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2022 12:22:29 GMT
Is this quote from the club vicar? If so, not all of us looked up to him, or do so now. Pointless violence and religion. Two things to abhor in my opinion. UTG Two more, dodging tax and income and turning on your own. Both equally as bad as i see it Anyway, enough about the Catholic church. This is about some allegations, that if true could have been resolved by ex employees seeking recourse by legal means. But yet...nothing. |
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Post by eppinggas on Apr 21, 2022 12:25:51 GMT
Is this quote from the club vicar? If so, not all of us looked up to him, or do so now. Pointless violence and religion. Two things to abhor in my opinion. UTG I'm not going to get bogged down with identity of the quoter, but not Jealksy. What I took from it was: Two (at least) opinions formulated from different sides with no direct contact with each other, converging. I know I'm not alone in expressing this privately, but how many express it publicly? Well said, well posted, good analogy, Kp......much respect. As always. Good to have you back o2. Some very worrying points made. Not a glowing endorsement of the way the Club is run and in particular Tom G (who I've personally never had a problem with). There is probably another side to this story (I certainly hope so). It will be interesting to hear the response to that from some of the more 'positive' posters. |
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Post by Bath Gas on Apr 21, 2022 12:33:40 GMT
If staff were made redundant, and their post was then filled with a new employee, they should go to an Employment Tribunal. Regardless of them being loyal to the club, Rovers are operating like a business and should be treated as such if they digress from what is legal.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Apr 21, 2022 12:42:45 GMT
Two more, dodging tax and income and turning on your own. Both equally as bad as i see it Anyway, enough about the Catholic church. This is about some allegations, that if true could have been resolved by ex employees seeking recourse by legal means. But yet...nothing. Who said ANYTHING about the RC church fella ? As for seeking recourse ? Do the ex employees know if anything untoward has happened ? |
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Post by warehamgas on Apr 21, 2022 12:46:41 GMT
I'm not going to get bogged down with identity of the quoter, but not Jealksy. What I took from it was: Two (at least) opinions formulated from different sides with no direct contact with each other, converging. I know I'm not alone in expressing this privately, but how many express it publicly? Well said, well posted, good analogy, Kp......much respect. As always. Good to have you back o2. Some very worrying points made. Not a glowing endorsement of the way the Club is run and in particular Tom G (who I've personally never had a problem with). There is probably another side to this story (I certainly hope so). It will be interesting to hear the response to that from some of the more 'positive' posters.
Well epping, I’ve always considered myself a fairly positive poster but the fact that the complaints seems to revolve around employment may mean that there will be little response because in employment issues I would hope it wasn’t conducted on a forum. You’re right, I’m sure there will be another side to the story but we may not hear about it because of the understandable constraints. As was said on the other side, if former (?) employees believe that the club has acted illegally then they should challenge that face to face or seek legal help. And it is good to have o2 back, his posts are always worth reading. And without knowing the people or the circumstances involved all I would say is that any change in an organisation is rarely universally popular. There will always be those who dislike how the change is implemented and what it results in, and anecdotes emerge which those implementing the change are usually unable to deal with in an open forum. As ever it is always about the ‘how’ you change things and not always the change itself. Like you whenever I have had to contact Tom G I have always found him efficient and approachable. UTG! |
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Post by bondigas on Apr 21, 2022 12:55:09 GMT
Even a person with limited abilities and knowledge is at a great advantage in the company of those with lesser abilities and less knowledge than he.
I wonder if Martyn Starnes came under that review and survey ?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2022 12:55:16 GMT
Anyway, enough about the Catholic church. This is about some allegations, that if true could have been resolved by ex employees seeking recourse by legal means. But yet...nothing. Who said ANYTHING about the RC church fella ? As for seeking recourse ? Do the ex employees know if anything untoward has happened ? Pointless violence, religion, tax dodging and turning on their own. Just sounded like them to me. As for ex employees, a question for you: Do we know anything has actually happened that was wrong? Err...no. |
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Post by kingswood Polak on Apr 21, 2022 13:28:34 GMT
Who said ANYTHING about the RC church fella ? As for seeking recourse ? Do the ex employees know if anything untoward has happened ? Pointless violence, religion, tax dodging and turning on their own. Just sounded like them to me. As for ex employees, a question for you: Do we know anything has actually happened that was wrong? Err...no. As I inferred , no but if I did then I would take the information to the authorities if I did know |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2022 14:34:33 GMT
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Post by swissgas on Apr 21, 2022 15:42:08 GMT
To me this comes into the same category as Wael's last open letter and Tom's press release prior to the 2021 accounts being made public. Most Gasheads have read them but are embarrassed by the content and would prefer not to discuss any further as witnessed by the lack of interest shown both on Gaschat and here. |
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Post by swissgas on Apr 21, 2022 16:04:48 GMT
I'm not going to get bogged down with identity of the quoter, but not Jealksy. What I took from it was: Two (at least) opinions formulated from different sides with no direct contact with each other, converging. I know I'm not alone in expressing this privately, but how many express it publicly? Well said, well posted, good analogy, Kp......much respect. As always. Good to have you back o2. Some very worrying points made. Not a glowing endorsement of the way the Club is run and in particular Tom G (who I've personally never had a problem with). There is probably another side to this story (I certainly hope so). It will be interesting to hear the response to that from some of the more 'positive' posters. In defence of Tom Gorringe it has to be said that he has absolutely no experience in running any kind of organisation so it must be expected that he will make mistakes. Managing change is a complex business in any event but the way Rovers has developed into a hierarchical structure, where everyone brown noses the person above, it can't be a surprise that Tom has convinced himself he can do whatever he likes without consideration for other peoples feelings. Putting him in this position is, IMO, unfair and for all the adulation given by Colonel Gibson we can see that Tom must be squeezed between JB & Co on one side and overbearing financial pressure on the other with only his executive committee of unknowns to fall back on for support. When things really are going well off the pitch then we won't hear about it because the visibly well oiled machine will just tick quietly along without fuss. But when we are continually showered with announcements and social media messages telling us how wonderful things are I think we can safely say the opposite is probably true. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2022 18:01:38 GMT
To me this comes into the same category as Wael's last open letter and Tom's press release prior to the 2021 accounts being made public. Most Gasheads have read them but are embarrassed by the content and would prefer not to discuss any further as witnessed by the lack of interest shown both on Gaschat and here. Do you have the smallest crumb of evidence, you know...empirical evidence that proves that "most Gasheads have read them but are embarrassed by the content..."? Of course not. More stirring. Stay after class Swiss. |
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Post by Teigngas on Apr 21, 2022 18:58:05 GMT
For the last few years there appears to have been a fairly steady stream of accusations against the "new guard" that I find particularly distasteful.
By all means, open and honest debate about, well anything really, is right and good, but these types of open letter accusing certain parties of wrongdoing when they are in no position to defend themselves is just wrong in my eyes.
If there is any truth at all in the alleged illegal activities then the legal route is the way to go - unfair dismissal for example shouldn't be difficult to prove. If wrongdoing is proven then I will stand up and shout as loud as anyone else but until then this sort of thing targeting people that are not in a position to defend themselves leaves me cold.
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Post by swissgas on Apr 21, 2022 19:30:29 GMT
To me this comes into the same category as Wael's last open letter and Tom's press release prior to the 2021 accounts being made public. Most Gasheads have read them but are embarrassed by the content and would prefer not to discuss any further as witnessed by the lack of interest shown both on Gaschat and here. Do you have the smallest crumb of evidence, you know...empirical evidence that proves that "most Gasheads have read them but are embarrassed by the content..."? Of course not. More stirring. Stay after class Swiss. If you haven't read them you aren't a proper Gashead Doc.  Perhaps I should have written "probably" embarrassed. The reason I gave for thinking that Gasheads are embarrassed by the open letter, the statement about the accounts and Lt Colonel Gibson's interview was that very little, if any, discussion has taken place on the forums about these pronouncements from key people at the club. If fans felt the content was interesting and positive for the future of Rovers then there would have been lively debate but I think they saw through it and kept quiet. Wael adamantly refusing to even mention the stadium, Tom so obviously trying to distract from the huge underlying losses and Lt Colonel Gibson coming up with something which one fan described as "BS dressed up in jargon dressed up in witch doctor fakery". It would have been better to have said nothing rather than concoct some hogwash in order to try and ride on the back of the team's recent success. |
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