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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2021 18:59:55 GMT
Good luck, KP. It's like educating pork. This is what B***** empowers. Misogyny.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Nov 20, 2021 19:09:39 GMT
Good luck, KP. It's like educating pork. This is what B***** empowers. Misogyny. It certainly seems that way but, luckily, most of the supporters do not know of a forum so don’t read our opinions
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Post by absent on Nov 20, 2021 19:15:14 GMT
The cards are heavily stacked against men these days. Bless.
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Post by alftupper on Nov 20, 2021 19:22:23 GMT
Personally. Any £ that I would have spent in relation to BRFC stays in MY pocket.. Will do until such time he moves on or is expelled from the club # Bartonout I have been putting aside the money i normally, as a non ST holder, would have spent and i am stunned at the amount i have in that account. It will definitely be a very happy Christmas for me and the family. Cheers Joey Horses for courses. The last few games we`ve played, I`d rather have the memories in my head, than the money in the bank.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Nov 20, 2021 19:31:02 GMT
I have been putting aside the money i normally, as a non ST holder, would have spent and i am stunned at the amount i have in that account. It will definitely be a very happy Christmas for me and the family. Cheers Joey Horses for courses. The last few games we`ve played, I`d rather have the memories in my head, than the money in the bank. I wouldn’t go if B***** was gone and will continue to stay away from crowds until i feel less fear of the virus. The plus point of this is that i will make a few more people very happy this Yule
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Post by towngas on Nov 20, 2021 20:58:18 GMT
So, being completely unable to defend said female with plenty to say when it suits her but without the courage to admit when she was wrong and apologise, you instead go for deflection tactics to try and change the agenda. How original. How very Right-On. Congratulations. I'd thank you if I thought you were being sincere I am.
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Post by a more piratey game on Nov 20, 2021 21:02:11 GMT
I'd thank you if I thought you were being sincere I am. Call me a doubting Thomas, but I still don't believe!
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Post by droitwichgas on Nov 21, 2021 8:41:57 GMT
Goodness me. You really believe this. My. I don’t believe this, I know it for a fact. Ive witnessed it many times through a previous employment. The cards are heavily stacked against men these days. I hear the Police are being pushed to get more rape convictions. I wonder how many miscarriages of justice will start to appear a few years down the line? Even more worrying than the conviction of Ched Evans. The Police and CPS concealed evidence which undermined the case, and when they were forced to release it he was acquitted. Evans may be a particularly unsavoury character, but he was never a rapist. All those people who put the boot in and twisted the knife when he was wrongly convicted went very quite when he was cleared. Not a single apology. I’m thinking here of that mouthy cow Jessica Ennis. I was under the impression Evans successfully sued his originally solicitors because they failed to handle the case correctly, I can't him bringing any case against the police or CPS over the way they handed the case? As far as B*****, if he attacked your daughter or sister how he's alleged to have attacked his wife would you just want the police to forget about it? What happens next time if he really loses the plot if the police did that? We don't even though if the police being called has been a regular occurrence in the past.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Nov 21, 2021 12:56:20 GMT
I don’t believe this, I know it for a fact. Ive witnessed it many times through a previous employment. The cards are heavily stacked against men these days. I hear the Police are being pushed to get more rape convictions. I wonder how many miscarriages of justice will start to appear a few years down the line? Even more worrying than the conviction of Ched Evans. The Police and CPS concealed evidence which undermined the case, and when they were forced to release it he was acquitted. Evans may be a particularly unsavoury character, but he was never a rapist. All those people who put the boot in and twisted the knife when he was wrongly convicted went very quite when he was cleared. Not a single apology. I’m thinking here of that mouthy cow Jessica Ennis. I was under the impression Evans successfully sued his originally solicitors because they failed to handle the case correctly, I can't him bringing any case against the police or CPS over the way they handed the case? As far as B*****, if he attacked your daughter or sister how he's alleged to have attacked his wife would you just want the police to forget about it? What happens next time if he really loses the plot if the police did that? We don't even though if the police being called has been a regular occurrence in the past. Very salient points fella. She could well have made calls previously
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2021 13:10:13 GMT
All conjecture though. We don't know whether Mrs B***** had previously called the police, so why speculate.
I'm no fan of the manager at all, but this site is like a kangaroo court at times.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Nov 21, 2021 13:13:54 GMT
All conjecture though. We don't know whether Mrs B***** had previously called the police, so why speculate. I'm no fan of the manager at all, but this site is like a kangaroo court at times. Because its a forum, where we can ask these kind of things. I think that is precisely what its for. Read any other club forum and you will see the same
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2021 13:16:32 GMT
All conjecture though. We don't know whether Mrs B***** had previously called the police, so why speculate. I'm no fan of the manager at all, but this site is like a kangaroo court at times. Because its a forum, where we can ask these kind of things. I think that is precisely what its for. Read any other club forum and you will see the same Not interested in other club sites thanks. I know what a forum is for (but thanks for patronising me - you know, like you accuse others of doing). It just seems some of you want to fit your narrative to the scenario, which let's he honest, none of us know the full details about. Crack on though and have fun.
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Post by Cheshiregas on Nov 21, 2021 13:44:31 GMT
I was on a jury for a case at Crown Court that got well into day 2 before the wife admitted that she had made up the whole story against her husband. Just saying, as they say. Yes, and the Police aren’t averse to putting words into women’s mouthes to help secure a conviction against a man. Domestic dispute prosecutions are closely monitored and encouraged by PCC’s and feminist pressure groups. what gets measured gets done. I am very supportive of the police in the difficult job they have to do. However the reason that there is pressure on the police and social services is that convictions for attacks on women are so low. Women know they will be torn apart in court as the men act as the victims and many like you claim men are victimised. Look at how the Tories are currently protecting Johnson's father who has beaten his wife in the past and known to be a misogynist like his son and a groper. Harmless fun, its his age, etc etc reeled out and sadly by some women Tory MPs to protect poor old Stanley. Some useful stats from the last 10 years ~ In January 2013, An Overview of Sexual Offending in England and Wales, the first ever joint official statistics bulletin on sexual violence released by the Ministry of Justice (MoJ), Office for National Statistics (ONS) and Home Office, revealed: Approximately 85,000 women and 12,000 men (aged 16 - 59) experience rape, attempted rape or assault by penetration in England and Wales alone every year; that's roughly 11 of the most serious sexual offences (of adults alone) every hour. Only around 15% of those who experience sexual violence report to the police. [and I wonder why?]Approximately 90% of those who are raped know the perpetrator prior to the offence. The year ending March 2020 Crime Survey for England and Wales (CSEW) estimated that 1.6 million adults aged 16 to 74 years had experienced sexual assault by rape or penetration (including attempts) since the age of 16 years. Analysis of the nature of these assaults uses CSEW data from the years ending March 2017 and March 2020 combined and is limited to adults aged 16 to 59 years. Of victims who experienced sexual assault by rape or penetration (including attempts) since the age of 16 years: - almost half (49%) had been a victim more than once - fewer than one in six (16%) reported the assault to the police [little change] and of those that told someone but not the police, 40% stated embarrassment as a reason, 38% did not think the police could help, and 34% thought it would be humiliating
- more than four in ten (44%) were victimised by their partner or ex-partner - nearly one in ten (9%) were victimised on the street, in a car park, park, or another open public space compared with over one-third (37%) in their own home - over half (54%) said the perpetrator used physical force, such as holding them down, to make them have sex with them, and 6% said the perpetrator had threatened to kill them I used to volunteer with the Samaritans and have heard harrowing tales of people [mostly women, although some men] who had been sexually assaulted or raped and never reported it because of their age, because they didn't think they would be believed, their assailant worked for the police or other authorities, they would be humiliated in court, their past would be scrutinised, or because they believed the courts were stacked against them. Many had suffered long term trauma, suffered from depression, anxiety or panic attacks, could not build relationships or their existing relationships had been destroyed. Many said their partners said things just like you have posted and wouldn't believe them, suggesting that they had contributed to their assault. I would rather believe and trust their judgement than yours. Education and facts are wonderful things. Perhaps you need to do a bit more research.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Nov 21, 2021 13:47:38 GMT
Because its a forum, where we can ask these kind of things. I think that is precisely what its for. Read any other club forum and you will see the same Not interested in other club sites thanks. I know what a forum is for (but thanks for patronising me - you know, like you accuse others of doing). It just seems some of you want to fit your narrative to the scenario, which let's he honest, none of us know the full details about. Crack on though and have fun. You asked me why speculate so i answered. I’m fully relaxed and enjoying the sunlight flooding through the kitchen windows , as i prepare Sunday lunch for us and post while i wait on things. This doesn’t wind me up nor do i get upset to the point where i bring up previous comments that obviously must have touched you 😆
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Post by kingswood Polak on Nov 21, 2021 13:54:23 GMT
Yes, and the Police aren’t averse to putting words into women’s mouthes to help secure a conviction against a man. Domestic dispute prosecutions are closely monitored and encouraged by PCC’s and feminist pressure groups. what gets measured gets done. I am very supportive of the police in the difficult job they have to do. However the reason that there is pressure on the police and social services is that convictions for attacks on women are so low. Women know they will be torn apart in court as the men act as the victims and many like you claim men are victimised. Look at how the Tories are currently protecting Johnson's father who has beaten his wife in the past and known to be a misogynist like his son and a groper. Harmless fun, its his age, etc etc reeled out and sadly by some women Tory MPs to protect poor old Stanley. Some useful stats from the last 10 years ~ In January 2013, An Overview of Sexual Offending in England and Wales, the first ever joint official statistics bulletin on sexual violence released by the Ministry of Justice (MoJ), Office for National Statistics (ONS) and Home Office, revealed: Approximately 85,000 women and 12,000 men (aged 16 - 59) experience rape, attempted rape or assault by penetration in England and Wales alone every year; that's roughly 11 of the most serious sexual offences (of adults alone) every hour. Only around 15% of those who experience sexual violence report to the police. [and I wonder why?]Approximately 90% of those who are raped know the perpetrator prior to the offence. The year ending March 2020 Crime Survey for England and Wales (CSEW) estimated that 1.6 million adults aged 16 to 74 years had experienced sexual assault by rape or penetration (including attempts) since the age of 16 years. Analysis of the nature of these assaults uses CSEW data from the years ending March 2017 and March 2020 combined and is limited to adults aged 16 to 59 years. Of victims who experienced sexual assault by rape or penetration (including attempts) since the age of 16 years: - almost half (49%) had been a victim more than once - fewer than one in six (16%) reported the assault to the police [little change] and of those that told someone but not the police, 40% stated embarrassment as a reason, 38% did not think the police could help, and 34% thought it would be humiliating
- more than four in ten (44%) were victimised by their partner or ex-partner - nearly one in ten (9%) were victimised on the street, in a car park, park, or another open public space compared with over one-third (37%) in their own home - over half (54%) said the perpetrator used physical force, such as holding them down, to make them have sex with them, and 6% said the perpetrator had threatened to kill them I used to volunteer with the Samaritans and have heard harrowing tales of people [mostly women, although some men] who had been sexually assaulted or raped and never reported it because of their age, because they didn't think they would be believed, their assailant worked for the police or other authorities, they would be humiliated in court, their past would be scrutinised, or because they believed the courts were stacked against them. Many had suffered long term trauma, suffered from depression, anxiety or panic attacks, could not build relationships or their existing relationships had been destroyed. Many said their partners said things just like you have posted and wouldn't believe them, suggesting that they had contributed to their assault. I would rather believe and trust their judgement than yours. Education and facts are wonderful things. Perhaps you need to do a bit more research. Excellent post plus, as i posted earlier, i have been there when the police basically told a woman she would have to relive her account in front of strangers and that it would be difficult to get a prosecution. I could hardly believe how they treated the victim and she has never been close to ok since that
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2021 13:59:38 GMT
Not interested in other club sites thanks. I know what a forum is for (but thanks for patronising me - you know, like you accuse others of doing). It just seems some of you want to fit your narrative to the scenario, which let's he honest, none of us know the full details about. Crack on though and have fun. You asked me why speculate so i answered. I’m fully relaxed and enjoying the sunlight flooding through the kitchen windows , as i prepare Sunday lunch for us and post while i wait on things. This doesn’t wind me up nor do i get upset to the point where i bring up previous comments that obviously must have touched you 😆 Very strange response. Who's getting upset? Not me, as the opinions of strangers aren't really an issue. You didn't answer though. Why speculate about something you know nothing about?
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Post by trymer on Nov 21, 2021 14:03:16 GMT
Why dont we all speculate about what happened ? like a game of Cluedo.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2021 14:04:15 GMT
Thanks to Cheshiregas for a valuable reminder to towngas and Gas Guzzler of what the word 'fact' actually means.
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Post by Angas on Nov 21, 2021 14:13:42 GMT
If only B***** had never come near our club perhaps no-one would be speculating. Ah well ...
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Post by droitwichgas on Nov 21, 2021 14:14:28 GMT
Why dont we all speculate about what happened ? like a game of Cluedo. We don't need to speculate about what happened when the CPS have confirmed that Mrs B told the police B***** grabbed her around the neck causing her to fall to the floor, following which he then kicked to her in the read causing her a nose(?) bleed along with a lump to her head, neither of which required medical treatment. Those facts of the alleged offence seems far worse than anything else being speculated on this thread.
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