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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2021 12:32:17 GMT
To someone like me, with no knowledge of how this is applied, it looks ominous. Could it be it will then be transferred to another of the many DWANE set up, in Wael’s own name ? The Memorial Stadium Company is a dormant company and has been since Bristol Rovers took over 100% ownership. It has no assets so there is no loss other than the value of setting that company up.
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Post by a more piratey game on Sept 14, 2021 12:39:16 GMT
that looks a lot like the Quarters, doesn't it? Is there 45 acres at The Quarters? I've no idea, but however many acres there are look similar to 45 acres there Only important thing is that there are 'enough'
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Post by george on Sept 14, 2021 12:42:39 GMT
Personally, I would welcome some straight talking with regards to the "Stadium Project". I have been very vocal in my opposition to the Fruit Market site. I believe that our future is in Horfield (or the surrounding areas of Bristol), and we should "cut our cloth to suit our means". For me, this means either a modest new build on the current site, or a piecemeal stand-by-stand redevelopment. Either option would be exciting and awesome IMO. The UWE was the ideal new stadium project for us in terms of location (IMO) , and a positive working relationship with the local University made sense to me. That ship has sailed, although the land is still undeveloped. The short to medium term focus looks like it will be on the team, rather than stadium infrastructure. The training ground is a positive, good investment. Wael must be congratulated for that. I would be looking to make improvements to The Mem. I can't see a huge redevelopment project elsewhere ever happening for us. The Mem has the ability to generate a loud intimidating atmosphere. It just needs some restructuring and a team that we can all get behind. We, as a club, need to play to our strengths. Build an identity as the plucky underdog and start to grow a fanbase again around an identity. I'm sure it can be done. It just requires a vision that is achievable. I totally disagree with you. The current ground is awful and a nightmare to get to. The parking around the ground is dreadful. I personally would'nt spend another pound on it. Everything about the ground is wrong. Look at what Swansea, Brighton & Brentford have achieved -- That is the way to go.
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Post by Peter Parker on Sept 14, 2021 12:45:40 GMT
To someone like me, with no knowledge of how this is applied, it looks ominous. Could it be it will then be transferred to another of the many DWANE set up, in Wael’s own name ? The Memorial Stadium Company is owned by BRFC1883ltd. Ultimately any assets under it are under the control of Wael and Dwane Sports anyway. I think it's a pretty dormant company anyway, but needs house keeping, Filing the accounts and ultimately anything under it should be transferred to 1883Ltd and the Memorial Stadium company closed, unless there is some other reason for not closing it
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Post by Cheshiregas on Sept 14, 2021 13:26:34 GMT
To someone like me, with no knowledge of how this is applied, it looks ominous. Could it be it will then be transferred to another of the many DWANE set up, in Wael’s own name ? The Memorial Stadium Company is a dormant company and has been since Bristol Rovers took over 100% ownership. It has no assets so there is no loss other than the value of setting that company up. Sorry to correct you PHE but it has assets of £1.6mln and liabilities of £705k therefore net assets of £896k - see attached MemCo 2020.pdf (27.35 KB) Its not a major issue as many small companies miss deadlines. It just doesn't look professional. Regards
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2021 13:28:31 GMT
The Memorial Stadium Company is a dormant company and has been since Bristol Rovers took over 100% ownership. It has no assets so there is no loss other than the value of setting that company up. Sorry to correct you PHE but it has assets of £1.6mln and liabilities of £705k therefore net assets of £896k - see attached View AttachmentIts not a major issue as many small companies miss deadlines. It just doesn't look professional. Regards Always happy to be corrected Chesh. Not sure what those assets are and to be honest I haven't studied any of the accounts for a few years now so I will shut up.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2021 13:32:00 GMT
Is there 45 acres at The Quarters? I've no idea, but however many acres there are look similar to 45 acres there Only important thing is that there are 'enough' I didn't think there were enough pitches to accommodate the academy but I'll take your word for it.
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Post by TaiwanGas on Sept 14, 2021 13:43:11 GMT
I thought phase #2 expansion of the quarters clubhouse (from t-shape to rectangular) was so that the Academy could also be housed at the quarters?, so I do hope we will have enough pitches, very little information available so I may be wrong.
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Post by a more piratey game on Sept 14, 2021 13:53:57 GMT
I've no idea, but however many acres there are look similar to 45 acres there Only important thing is that there are 'enough' I didn't think there were enough pitches to accommodate the academy but I'll take your word for it. I don't think I asserted that there were only asserted that the only important question is whether there are enough
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Post by Curly Wurly on Sept 14, 2021 14:10:03 GMT
Personally, I would welcome some straight talking with regards to the "Stadium Project". I have been very vocal in my opposition to the Fruit Market site. I believe that our future is in Horfield (or the surrounding areas of Bristol), and we should "cut our cloth to suit our means". For me, this means either a modest new build on the current site, or a piecemeal stand-by-stand redevelopment. Either option would be exciting and awesome IMO. The UWE was the ideal new stadium project for us in terms of location (IMO) , and a positive working relationship with the local University made sense to me. That ship has sailed, although the land is still undeveloped. The short to medium term focus looks like it will be on the team, rather than stadium infrastructure. The training ground is a positive, good investment. Wael must be congratulated for that. I would be looking to make improvements to The Mem. I can't see a huge redevelopment project elsewhere ever happening for us. The Mem has the ability to generate a loud intimidating atmosphere. It just needs some restructuring and a team that we can all get behind. We, as a club, need to play to our strengths. Build an identity as the plucky underdog and start to grow a fanbase again around an identity. I'm sure it can be done. It just requires a vision that is achievable. I totally disagree with you. The current ground is awful and a nightmare to get to. The parking around the ground is dreadful. I personally would'nt spend another pound on it. Everything about the ground is wrong. Look at what Swansea, Brighton & Brentford have achieved -- That is the way to go. I don't know about Brighton, but I can assure you that parking around Swansea and Brentford's new grounds are a nightmare as well (Restrictions in adjacent retail park for Swansea and No parking at Brentford).
Maybe we should have persisted with Severnside. There'd be ample parking there and surely the concerns for the safety of spectators at a once a fortnight event are no different to the thousands of employees in the various distribution depots that sit within range of the chemical storage tanks.
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Post by axegas on Sept 14, 2021 14:11:55 GMT
If I recall correctly, wasn’t Dwane developments set up so that they could build a couple of houses in Almondsbury, which planning permission was completely botched for? I could be wrong in that assumption but I remember something about it.
I don’t know if Hani had any grandiose plans to develop anything else in the UK, but when planning fell through for the houses and the ownership of the club and it’s associated companies transferred to Wael, the purpose of the company was made a bit redundant.
It’s a similar story for the memorial stadium company, redundant since Rovers and by extension Dwane Sports took over full ownership of the ground.
So we’ve let two irrelevancies expire, I don’t think there’s much more to read into it than that. I think anyone that thought that Dwane developments was going to take over ownership of the fruit market site was living in fantasy land, but similarly I don’t think there is anything to be too pessimistic about here other than a bit of poor housekeeping.
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Post by Curly Wurly on Sept 14, 2021 14:26:45 GMT
I've no idea, but however many acres there are look similar to 45 acres there Only important thing is that there are 'enough' I didn't think there were enough pitches to accommodate the academy but I'll take your word for it. The Quarters site is approx 27 acres.
The original rugby club plan was nominally for 5 Rugby pitches and two hockey pitches:
As the lagoon takes up one of these and other elements have changed, I'd say there will only ever be a maximum of 4 full size football pitches on the site, but I can't see why we would ever need more than that.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Sept 14, 2021 14:27:50 GMT
I thought phase #2 expansion of the quarters clubhouse (from t-shape to rectangular) was so that the Academy could also be housed at the quarters?, so I do hope we will have enough pitches, very little information available so I may be wrong. Very little information about- that is the understatement of all. Wael had said that it was a priority, in one of his first interviews but it looks and sounds no different to what was happening, many years prior to that.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Sept 14, 2021 14:30:34 GMT
If I recall correctly, wasn’t Dwane developments set up so that they could build a couple of houses in Almondsbury, which planning permission was completely botched for? I could be wrong in that assumption but I remember something about it. I don’t know if Hani had any grandiose plans to develop anything else in the UK, but when planning fell through for the houses and the ownership of the club and it’s associated companies transferred to Wael, the purpose of the company was made a bit redundant. It’s a similar story for the memorial stadium company, redundant since Rovers and by extension Dwane Sports took over full ownership of the ground. So we’ve let two irrelevancies expire, I don’t think there’s much more to read into it than that. I think anyone that thought that Dwane developments was going to take over ownership of the fruit market site was living in fantasy land, but similarly I don’t think there is anything to be too pessimistic about here other than a bit of poor housekeeping. It does beg that question that why would a Harvard business graduate allow for accounts to be sent in late and it certainly doesn’t look good for the club.
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Post by axegas on Sept 14, 2021 14:40:00 GMT
If I recall correctly, wasn’t Dwane developments set up so that they could build a couple of houses in Almondsbury, which planning permission was completely botched for? I could be wrong in that assumption but I remember something about it. I don’t know if Hani had any grandiose plans to develop anything else in the UK, but when planning fell through for the houses and the ownership of the club and it’s associated companies transferred to Wael, the purpose of the company was made a bit redundant. It’s a similar story for the memorial stadium company, redundant since Rovers and by extension Dwane Sports took over full ownership of the ground. So we’ve let two irrelevancies expire, I don’t think there’s much more to read into it than that. I think anyone that thought that Dwane developments was going to take over ownership of the fruit market site was living in fantasy land, but similarly I don’t think there is anything to be too pessimistic about here other than a bit of poor housekeeping. It does beg that question that why would a Harvard business graduate allow for accounts to be sent in late and it certainly doesn’t look good for the club. I mean to be fair it could be intentional. They probably wanted the companies just to die a quiet death. Who’s the Harvard graduate? Wael graduated from Boston University I think. Think you could be referring to Hani?
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Post by kingswood Polak on Sept 14, 2021 14:44:11 GMT
It does beg that question that why would a Harvard business graduate allow for accounts to be sent in late and it certainly doesn’t look good for the club. I mean to be fair it could be intentional. They probably wanted the companies just to die a quiet death. Who’s the Harvard graduate? Wael graduated from Boston University I think. Think you could be referring to Hani? I stand corrected, i thought Wael had degrees from either Oxford/Cambridge and Harvard, i know nothing of Hank’s education. Willie and Hank seem to have had very good educations
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Post by a more piratey game on Sept 14, 2021 15:03:36 GMT
I mean to be fair it could be intentional. They probably wanted the companies just to die a quiet death. Who’s the Harvard graduate? Wael graduated from Boston University I think. Think you could be referring to Hani? I stand corrected, i thought Wael had degrees from either Oxford/Cambridge and Harvard, i know nothing of Hank’s education. Willie and Hank seem to have had very good educations including their spelling!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2021 15:09:27 GMT
I didn't think there were enough pitches to accommodate the academy but I'll take your word for it. The Quarters site is approx 27 acres.
The original rugby club plan was nominally for 5 Rugby pitches and two hockey pitches:
As the lagoon takes up one of these and other elements have changed, I'd say there will only ever be a maximum of 4 full size football pitches on the site, but I can't see why we would ever need more than that.
Thanks CW, you can't beat a straight answer.
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Post by The Concept on Sept 14, 2021 15:21:51 GMT
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Post by swissgas on Sept 14, 2021 15:44:31 GMT
In fairness to Wael, he went about everything like a football fan would, got experts in, thinking theory would provide the answers and he would then move forward. The only problem being is he didn’t act upon at least one of those experts report that looks a lot like the Quarters, doesn't it? Right now it doesn't look much like it at all. But if the Quarters is a ten year project then by 2030 it may look like the Stevenage FC training ground did in 2014.
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