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Post by Nobbygas on May 10, 2024 9:07:07 GMT
"Especially the Iraqi situation. A country we invaded, bombed and killed tens of thousands of people (much worse than Israel, even worse than the lunatics in HAMAS)." - Totally totally false. Who are the "WE" you talk about? The majority of deaths and killings in Iraq were carried out by Iraqis on Iraqis. To even suggest that the actions of the forces were worse than Hamas is just downright stupid, silly, ill-informed and false.
"But let's talk of anti semitism parroting trash from the Daily Mail/Express. I do wonder about the reasoning capacity of some"
If you cannot see what is going on regarding anti-semitic behaviour and actions then you really do need to open your eyes and look around. To sit there and claim it's all the fictional work of the Express or the Mail is quite sad.
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Post by Nobbygas on May 10, 2024 8:57:50 GMT
Take a hugely damaging image of one of the Tory party's leading members of the ERG and one who sought to "explain" her ex husbands illegality (she has apologised) sitting on the opposition benches behind the opposition leader at PMQs, a PMQs session immediately after a disastrous local election results, which opposition party faced with a GE would not take the opportunity? Is it damaging to the opposition? Nah, it's funny. She will only be there for a few months (like a lot of Tory MPs) so no damage done to pay for that moment. Meanwhile Tories and their shrinking support base try and pretend it's a problem for Labour. Laughable Nobody is pretending it's a problem for Labour. It's a problem for our democracy that people like this are allowed to represent the public.
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Post by Nobbygas on May 10, 2024 7:37:22 GMT
I think both Tories and Labour are deeply concerned over Natalie Elphickle crossing the chamber. She is right wing and as MP for Dover has a high profile in the fight against the small boat armada. Dismay at Tory failings (as articulately pointed out by Robert Jenrick on LBC yesterday) I can totally understand. But to join Labour? Madness. Labour MP's think it's madness. I guess Sir Keir will just take anyone. At this rate Nigel Farage might get an invitation. The view on the street is that she will get a seat in the Lords for her troubles. Her actions demonstrate just why the general public hold politicians in such disdain.
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Post by Nobbygas on May 8, 2024 21:19:56 GMT
Monty Panesar has quit the party.I saw an interview with him recently and he put up in a poor innings.Naive and a lack of preparation. 🦆 Workers Party is equivalent to Reform. A bunch of loonies who never stand up to scrutiny. Just like their supporters How to make friends and influence people.....the Oldie way. Let's put Labour and Conservatives up for scrutiny. What have we got? 60 years of constant failure and now you expect those same parties to fix the mess they themselves have made. Seriously, if you scrutinize both Labour and Tory you can only come to the conclusion that they have both failed consistently. And is there any need to call people 'loonies'? Please leave that sort of language to Gaschat and try to debate sensibly.
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Post by Nobbygas on May 7, 2024 20:01:07 GMT
Can't see Reform winning a seat at the GC. You would be able to get very good odds on that! I agree though, it does is position themselves for the future. A likely disastrous GE for the Tories will lead to yet more in-fighting. And Reform could well gain ground. Under Labour the floodgates will open on immigration. It's been bad enough under the Tories for the last few years. It will get much worse. The Conservatives are not the solution. Neither are Labour. I know you won't reply but what policy have Labour announced that will further loosen the current immigration rules? I'll expand your question Oldie. What policy have Labour announced about anything?
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Post by Nobbygas on May 7, 2024 13:13:06 GMT
They've discussed this quite a lot on Talksport. The talk there was who to take from Watkins or Toney, yet to me the answer is obvious. Take both and leave out Rashford. Rashford has no form, no fitness, his mental state must be called into question. A bloke who goes out on the lash in Northern Ireland on the Thursday and then misses Friday training, with an FA Cup tie on the Sunday, shows total disrespect to his team mates, his manager, his club and the fans. He shouldn't be anywhere near the England squad.
For a surprise pick I'd go for either Michael Olize or Eberechi Eze from Palace, that is if Olize wants to play for England. Eze is already an England International.
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Post by Nobbygas on May 7, 2024 13:03:34 GMT
um....err......it was foisted upon us by the EU. Don't try to re-write history. 😂😂😂 I think you need to look in the mirror on that accusation. Everyone and their dog said that Ireland would be a problem and lo and behold But the current solution was imposed by the EU.
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Post by Nobbygas on May 7, 2024 10:08:38 GMT
Not a consequence of Brexit. More a consequence of the Rwanda policy ! Remind us again, are the EU looking into opening 'offshore' centres in Africa for migrants! I think you'll find the answer is 'YES'! As for Ireland, as a Remainer aren't you happy about what is happening? Surely you are in favour of Open Borders in the EU? In favour of open borders? Absolutely, but not this pigs breakfast of an arrangement foisted upon NI by the incompetent Brexit loons. um....err......it was foisted upon us by the EU. Don't try to re-write history.
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Post by Nobbygas on May 7, 2024 10:07:49 GMT
So what seems to be the big deal with some people protesting in Israel? Whoosh If we demonstrate in London for a ceasefire we are woke fascist anti semites, but if we demonstrate in Tel Aviv...awkward Nobody anywhere has said this. Are you making things up again?
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Post by Nobbygas on May 7, 2024 10:06:18 GMT
No, read it again. The Labour vote was down against the numbers in the last GE. Because Labour voters didn't turn out? Oh dear, Yes, in by-elections the voting numbers are usually down against GE numbers. This is normal, however it appears as those who normally vote Tory are staying at home! The 26% swing to Labour was not due to an increase in the Labour vote, but a collapse in the Tory vote.
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Post by Nobbygas on May 7, 2024 9:52:24 GMT
Yep, my gut feeling, after talking to friends etc who would normally vote Tory, is that they are facing a wipe-out. I think the main thing to take from the next election will be the very low turnout. Labour don't seem to be picking up votes, but as in the recent by-elections, the Tory voters are just staying at home. Blackpool was a classic example. A 26% swing to Labour apparently, yet Labour actually got fewer votes than at the last GE! So 100% of all Labour voters turned out but Tory voters didn't. Unlikely I would say. No, read it again. The Labour vote was down against the numbers in the last GE.
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Post by Nobbygas on May 7, 2024 9:51:31 GMT
You can look at any free democracy and you'll always have someone who oppose what the government is doing. What do you think is wrong with people protesting? Why do you think this? I don't think it's wrong, I support it. But of course I get labelled a "woke" lefties out of touch with "working class" aspirations. You will recall I supported demonstrations against our governments law that acts as a suppression to the Right to Assemble So what seems to be the big deal with some people protesting in Israel?
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Post by Nobbygas on May 7, 2024 9:50:47 GMT
A good friend of mine is from the west of Ireland. Out in the provinces they are fuming. But rather like London runs England, Dublin runs Ireland. The cosmopolitan elite are totally out of touch with working class people out in the shires. Ireland is on the edge. You won't see that reported on the BBC. Because it does not fit "the agenda". The reality "Justice minister Helen McEntee briefed that up to 91% of those making applications were now coming in "across the border" - the open border on the island between Northern Ireland in the UK, and EU member state, the Republic of Ireland." Another consequence of Brexit. Not a consequence of Brexit. More a consequence of the Rwanda policy ! Remind us again, are the EU looking into opening 'offshore' centres in Africa for migrants! I think you'll find the answer is 'YES'! As for Ireland, as a Remainer aren't you happy about what is happening? Surely you are in favour of Open Borders in the EU?
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Post by Nobbygas on May 7, 2024 9:44:55 GMT
listening to a political journalist on an independent [more likely sky news report] never caught her name] radio station ,and she summarised that following the latest council results, her vision of the outcome of the general election was that Labour would win BUT with not a big enough majority to form a government on their own , interesting view on it The bookies are saying it's a nailed on Labour Majority Government (the odds reflecting people putting money where their mouth is). The above comment is coming from the left. It is an attempt to rally support for Labour and to guard against complacency. It's a nightmare for the Tories with Labour untouchable (seemingly without any actual policies) and comfortably ahead, and Reform eating away at the Conservative right wing vote on a daily basis. I feel a bit sorry for Sunak. He's a very competent bean counter, but he is not a politician. He is however human. Sir Keir Starmer is actually made of wood. Yep, my gut feeling, after talking to friends etc who would normally vote Tory, is that they are facing a wipe-out. I think the main thing to take from the next election will be the very low turnout. Labour don't seem to be picking up votes, but as in the recent by-elections, the Tory voters are just staying at home. Blackpool was a classic example. A 26% swing to Labour apparently, yet Labour actually got fewer votes than at the last GE!
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Post by Nobbygas on May 7, 2024 9:40:36 GMT
I am still laughing my rocks off at Ireland and the EU.
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Post by Nobbygas on May 7, 2024 9:39:08 GMT
Don't you find it refreshing and civilized that they can protest against their own government? What would happen to any Palestinians doing the same against Hamas? Refreshing? More relieved that Israelis can demonstrate against their own government without fear of reprisal (I think and hope). You cannot compare the circumstances in Israel with Theocratic Fascist States like Saudi (deemed friendly) or Iran (deemed unfriendly) or just pure fascists like HAMAS. The reason I posted that link was to show that Israelis themselves are demonstrating against their own government and it's policies and actions. Of course getting their hostages back is a primary driver but there were very large demonstrations against their government prior to the events of October 7th. A government constructed as a coalition of a variety of right wing nut jobs one or two of whom mirror images the Theocratic fascists elsewhere. To enforce their proposed policies they were trying to change the constitution to avoid Court review. Ring any bells? You can look at any free democracy and you'll always have someone who oppose what the government is doing. What do you think is wrong with people protesting? Why do you think this?
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Post by Nobbygas on May 6, 2024 8:00:28 GMT
Don't you find it refreshing and civilized that they can protest against their own government? What would happen to any Palestinians doing the same against Hamas?
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Post by Nobbygas on May 5, 2024 7:34:04 GMT
Not really. A sitting government would expect to lose that many seats. The 26% swing is a false story. Labour actually had fewer votes than at the last GE. The truth is that the Tory voters just didn't vote. Blimey I never expected that of you, singing the Tory line, clutching at straws. The problem now for Labour is that they may have lost a fair wack of their metropolitan liberal minded types and those from the Muslim community over their stance on GAZA. Just as it may cost Biden in the States. Today's stats from the London Mayor election will be revealing I am not singing anyone's line, just being honest about the results.
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Post by Nobbygas on May 4, 2024 13:18:27 GMT
The surprising thing is that the Tories did not receive the brutal kicking we all expected in the local elections. Christ Losing 448 seats, a 26% swing in the Blackpool election is not a kicking? Not really. A sitting government would expect to lose that many seats. The 26% swing is a false story. Labour actually had fewer votes than at the last GE. The truth is that the Tory voters just didn't vote.
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Post by Nobbygas on May 4, 2024 13:13:38 GMT
Of course, it was all sweetness and light before Brexit wasn't it? No, it was a shambles then and even now the EU members cannot agree amongst themselves regarding a decent immigration policy. Let's drop the pretence that before Brexit everything worked well. Why not try to be honest with your arguments. I made no attempt to expand a pro/con EU debate. Just pointing out, in response to a post which clearly exposed no understanding, that as Members of the EU and under the terms of that Treaty, we could send migrants back to the EU country from which they departed. Now we cannot. The reality Oldie is that it just didn't happen did it! As I said, try to be honest with your arguments and don't try to pretend it all worked beautifully before.
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