JeffNZ
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Post by JeffNZ on Sept 11, 2021 18:28:04 GMT
We may not have deserved to lose today but it's yet another shyte result.
We've had our fair share of mediocre and downright disastrous seasons over the years but I'm getting more and more concerned that this one will top the lot.
I have no confidence B***** can turn this around and the nightmare scenario of a return to the National League will almost certainly become a reality under his (lack of) leadership.
Anything less than two wins from the next three games and I think Wael will have to act.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Sept 11, 2021 18:47:17 GMT
Just got back.....on chuff chuff. Oh well...we lost. Kinda karma from last week. We're not attacking with enough cohesive, formulative forward play to win. At the moment. We are defending with vigour, physical awareness and enough organisation to not lose games. Somewhere, we need to link the two. I really liked Grant today. Playing effective right back, then after sub switching to mid. He didn't create anything of note, just he stopped and tracked and done some hard work in that heat. Phew...what a heat to play in. The away end was a sun trap. Belshaw was again brilliant. Connor Taylor was again immense. I would question Evans as set piece delivery fella? Gave ball away a lot. I would question Finley as Captain? I would also question Hughes as he appeared to lose possession for their goal...happy to stand corrected...but he let the ball bounce first half to let in their striker, not impressed so far. We look ponderous on possession. In mid, we are a team of strangers and rarely link up. It's an uncompromising division, we are struggling with our basic passing and movement, quite a few times mid are bypassed for the inane punt to Clarke, and latterly pitman. Poor. Pitman had his one chance, a header, definitely in, but keeper made his save....it could so easily have been different. It could also have been different if Saunders shot had gone the other side of the stantion, a brilliant through ball by Evans set him up In a game we didn't deserve to lose, but definitely didn't deserve to win, we are playing settled established teams with our new squad and struggling. JAB appeared to make the subs and calls most of us would have made today, it just didn't work. It kinda did last week....small margins....we lost away to Hartlepool, they are upwardly moving, we aren't and haven't been for so long. Everyone did try, even Evans whom went off for water....(wtf!?) on their sub....but we did huff and puff. Just today it wasn't good enough. Was the goal individual error o2o2b? Thanks for report. I thought Hughes lost possession... Difficult to see with sun and play up other end, but happy to be corrected. That's how it appeared to me. Another note..... absolutely brilliant support from 350ish Gas....by all accounts c*ty only took 100 more to Middlesbrough a few weeks ago. Good natured banter and even convo between the segregation at half time....a welcoming place.... unlike Mansfield.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Sept 11, 2021 18:49:42 GMT
Just got back.....on chuff chuff. Oh well...we lost. Kinda karma from last week. We're not attacking with enough cohesive, formulative forward play to win. At the moment. We are defending with vigour, physical awareness and enough organisation to not lose games. Somewhere, we need to link the two. I really liked Grant today. Playing effective right back, then after sub switching to mid. He didn't create anything of note, just he stopped and tracked and done some hard work in that heat. Phew...what a heat to play in. The away end was a sun trap. Belshaw was again brilliant. Connor Taylor was again immense. I would question Evans as set piece delivery fella? Gave ball away a lot. I would question Finley as Captain? I would also question Hughes as he appeared to lose possession for their goal...happy to stand corrected...but he let the ball bounce first half to let in their striker, not impressed so far. We look ponderous on possession. In mid, we are a team of strangers and rarely link up. It's an uncompromising division, we are struggling with our basic passing and movement, quite a few times mid are bypassed for the inane punt to Clarke, and latterly pitman. Poor. Pitman had his one chance, a header, definitely in, but keeper made his save....it could so easily have been different. It could also have been different if Saunders shot had gone the other side of the stantion, a brilliant through ball by Evans set him up In a game we didn't deserve to lose, but definitely didn't deserve to win, we are playing settled established teams with our new squad and struggling. JAB appeared to make the subs and calls most of us would have made today, it just didn't work. It kinda did last week....small margins....we lost away to Hartlepool, they are upwardly moving, we aren't and haven't been for so long. Everyone did try, even Evans whom went off for water....(wtf!?) on their sub....but we did huff and puff. Just today it wasn't good enough. it sounds a lot better than last season? I would say vast improvement in organisation and the cutting out of naive defending. We look more of a proposition set up to become difficult to beat.... Mansfield and today could easily have been draws. Same with Stevenage.
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Post by richmace on Sept 11, 2021 19:36:27 GMT
This was a game that we expected to lose, and we did.
It does sound like we could have easily got a result if only we were able to score...
That sounds horribly familiar to last season. I'm not sure we have solved anything with this new squad.
Remember, we have dropped a division, so we are playing worse teams than we were playing last season. By definition, we must be worse as a team this season.
I am patiently waiting for this squad to "gel". What if I am still waiting in April 2022?
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Post by chelt_gas on Sept 11, 2021 19:41:24 GMT
This was a game that we expected to lose, and we did. It does sound like we could have easily got a result if only we were able to score... That sounds horribly familiar to last season. I'm not sure we have solved anything with this new squad. Remember, we have dropped a division, so we are playing worse teams than we were playing last season. By definition, we must be worse as a team this season. I am patiently waiting for this squad to "gel". What if I am still waiting in April 2022? By the time we gel the average age of the squad will be above 40
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TaiwanGas
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Post by TaiwanGas on Sept 12, 2021 2:43:22 GMT
We have sent first team strikers Kieran Phillips and Zain Walker out on loan this week, now Clarke is injured and Pitman looks far from being fit, what is this plan?. Incidentally, Phillips scored 2 goals on his debut, both in the first half to give Dorchester Town a 2-0 win.
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Post by chelt_gas on Sept 12, 2021 4:18:01 GMT
Mohamed Bagdadi scored 7 in 14 for Dorchester on loan from Rovers in 2017 whilst Jonah Ayunga scored 8 in 24 in 2016.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Sept 12, 2021 6:03:50 GMT
This was a game that we expected to lose, and we did. It does sound like we could have easily got a result if only we were able to score... That sounds horribly familiar to last season. I'm not sure we have solved anything with this new squad. Remember, we have dropped a division, so we are playing worse teams than we were playing last season. By definition, we must be worse as a team this season. I am patiently waiting for this squad to "gel". What if I am still waiting in April 2022? That's a good point, how long do you give to gel? We would have lost this match last season too, i m o, but I think it's a bit unfair to say we are worse....in a fantasy way, the team that took to the field yesterday would have definitely stood a better chance of winning v the team that took to the field v Accrington away last season. I don't see any captain issuing apologetic letters this season, in fact quite the opposite.... Whelan yesterday was vocal and riling up support, especially at set pieces we were defending (he directed Anderson to move forward on wing on one of them - breath of fresh air to me as I don't like it we have everyone back in the first half). What is apparent to me, I have no scientific evidence, is we are a team of strangers, new to each other and have been on a steady decline for 2 years.....we are playing teams with established formations and abilities, on a rise in form in their season and have momentum, with little in match to separate and we are coming out of it the wrong side of the result. We had this under DC when we were promoted from non league, much like yesterday Hartlepool are in the same upwardly transition, the crowd are used to winning and they vocally turn up. It all adds up to a difficult time when you're in the decline of form, and in transition with players that are no doubt good and some experienced, but can't convert that into team performances consistently enough. Which takes us back to how long do you give it...?
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Post by a more piratey game on Sept 12, 2021 7:09:32 GMT
This was a game that we expected to lose, and we did. It does sound like we could have easily got a result if only we were able to score... That sounds horribly familiar to last season. I'm not sure we have solved anything with this new squad. Remember, we have dropped a division, so we are playing worse teams than we were playing last season. By definition, we must be worse as a team this season. I am patiently waiting for this squad to "gel". What if I am still waiting in April 2022? That's a good point, how long do you give to gel? We would have lost this match last season too, i m o, but I think it's a bit unfair to say we are worse....in a fantasy way, the team that took to the field yesterday would have definitely stood a better chance of winning v the team that took to the field v Accrington away last season. I don't see any captain issuing apologetic letters this season, in fact quite the opposite.... Whelan yesterday was vocal and riling up support, especially at set pieces we were defending (he directed Anderson to move forward on wing on one of them - breath of fresh air to me as I don't like it we have everyone back in the first half). What is apparent to me, I have no scientific evidence, is we are a team of strangers, new to each other and have been on a steady decline for 2 years.....we are playing teams with established formations and abilities, on a rise in form in their season and have momentum, with little in match to separate and we are coming out of it the wrong side of the result. We had this under DC when we were promoted from non league, much like yesterday Hartlepool are in the same upwardly transition, the crowd are used to winning and they vocally turn up. It all adds up to a difficult time when you're in the decline of form, and in transition with players that are no doubt good and some experienced, but can't convert that into team performances consistently enough. Which takes us back to how long do you give it...? I liked your idea last week that Creepy looked like a team whereas we looked like a bunch of blokes that had just met in the car park
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Post by TaiwanGas on Sept 12, 2021 7:35:50 GMT
Trying not to add insult to injury, but Pool’s had a pretty poor outing yesterday, if we were in any sort of form we would have beaten them. Challinor himself in the post match interview admitted they were poor.
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Post by trymer on Sept 12, 2021 7:57:51 GMT
This was a game that we expected to lose, and we did. It does sound like we could have easily got a result if only we were able to score... That sounds horribly familiar to last season. I'm not sure we have solved anything with this new squad. Remember, we have dropped a division, so we are playing worse teams than we were playing last season. By definition, we must be worse as a team this season. I am patiently waiting for this squad to "gel". What if I am still waiting in April 2022? That's a good point, how long do you give to gel? We would have lost this match last season too, i m o, but I think it's a bit unfair to say we are worse....in a fantasy way, the team that took to the field yesterday would have definitely stood a better chance of winning v the team that took to the field v Accrington away last season. I don't see any captain issuing apologetic letters this season, in fact quite the opposite.... Whelan yesterday was vocal and riling up support, especially at set pieces we were defending (he directed Anderson to move forward on wing on one of them - breath of fresh air to me as I don't like it we have everyone back in the first half). What is apparent to me, I have no scientific evidence, is we are a team of strangers, new to each other and have been on a steady decline for 2 years.....we are playing teams with established formations and abilities, on a rise in form in their season and have momentum, with little in match to separate and we are coming out of it the wrong side of the result. We had this under DC when we were promoted from non league, much like yesterday Hartlepool are in the same upwardly transition, the crowd are used to winning and they vocally turn up. It all adds up to a difficult time when you're in the decline of form, and in transition with players that are no doubt good and some experienced, but can't convert that into team performances consistently enough. Which takes us back to how long do you give it...? Didnt you post quite a lot last season about how it was ridiculous to give Garner 10 games ? Bartons record is worse than Garners but you seem to want to give him more time ? I think that another 3 league games should be enough and unless Rovers get 5 points minimum from those games then B***** should go. Swindon will be the 10th league game ? so Garner could come back to haunt the people who sacked him.
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Post by trymer on Sept 12, 2021 7:59:28 GMT
Trying not to add insult to injury, but Pool’s had a pretty poor outing yesterday, if we were in any sort of form we would have beaten them. Challinor himself in the post match interview admitted they were poor. I think that they had players out injured too.
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Post by towngas on Sept 12, 2021 9:22:13 GMT
Just got back.....on chuff chuff. Oh well...we lost. Kinda karma from last week. We're not attacking with enough cohesive, formulative forward play to win. At the moment. We are defending with vigour, physical awareness and enough organisation to not lose games. Somewhere, we need to link the two. I really liked Grant today. Playing effective right back, then after sub switching to mid. He didn't create anything of note, just he stopped and tracked and done some hard work in that heat. Phew...what a heat to play in. The away end was a sun trap. Belshaw was again brilliant. Connor Taylor was again immense. I would question Evans as set piece delivery fella? Gave ball away a lot. I would question Finley as Captain? I would also question Hughes as he appeared to lose possession for their goal...happy to stand corrected...but he let the ball bounce first half to let in their striker, not impressed so far. We look ponderous on possession. In mid, we are a team of strangers and rarely link up. It's an uncompromising division, we are struggling with our basic passing and movement, quite a few times mid are bypassed for the inane punt to Clarke, and latterly pitman. Poor. Pitman had his one chance, a header, definitely in, but keeper made his save....it could so easily have been different. It could also have been different if Saunders shot had gone the other side of the stantion, a brilliant through ball by Evans set him up In a game we didn't deserve to lose, but definitely didn't deserve to win, we are playing settled established teams with our new squad and struggling. JAB appeared to make the subs and calls most of us would have made today, it just didn't work. It kinda did last week....small margins....we lost away to Hartlepool, they are upwardly moving, we aren't and haven't been for so long. Everyone did try, even Evans whom went off for water....(wtf!?) on their sub....but we did huff and puff. Just today it wasn't good enough. How did you manage to get home on the train? I tried every combo I could think of and the only way to get back to Bristol on the same day was to catch something like the 1620 from Hartlepool, which kind of defeated the object of going. After that, it was a 16 hour journey, getting back early Sunday.
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Post by alftupper on Sept 12, 2021 11:42:08 GMT
Just got back.....on chuff chuff. Oh well...we lost. Kinda karma from last week. We're not attacking with enough cohesive, formulative forward play to win. At the moment. We are defending with vigour, physical awareness and enough organisation to not lose games. Somewhere, we need to link the two. I really liked Grant today. Playing effective right back, then after sub switching to mid. He didn't create anything of note, just he stopped and tracked and done some hard work in that heat. Phew...what a heat to play in. The away end was a sun trap. Belshaw was again brilliant. Connor Taylor was again immense. I would question Evans as set piece delivery fella? Gave ball away a lot. I would question Finley as Captain? I would also question Hughes as he appeared to lose possession for their goal...happy to stand corrected...but he let the ball bounce first half to let in their striker, not impressed so far. We look ponderous on possession. In mid, we are a team of strangers and rarely link up. It's an uncompromising division, we are struggling with our basic passing and movement, quite a few times mid are bypassed for the inane punt to Clarke, and latterly pitman. Poor. Pitman had his one chance, a header, definitely in, but keeper made his save....it could so easily have been different. It could also have been different if Saunders shot had gone the other side of the stantion, a brilliant through ball by Evans set him up In a game we didn't deserve to lose, but definitely didn't deserve to win, we are playing settled established teams with our new squad and struggling. JAB appeared to make the subs and calls most of us would have made today, it just didn't work. It kinda did last week....small margins....we lost away to Hartlepool, they are upwardly moving, we aren't and haven't been for so long. Everyone did try, even Evans whom went off for water....(wtf!?) on their sub....but we did huff and puff. Just today it wasn't good enough. How did you manage to get home on the train? I tried every combo I could think of and the only way to get back to Bristol on the same day was to catch something like the 1620 from Hartlepool, which kind of defeated the object of going. After that, it was a 16 hour journey, getting back early Sunday. Perhaps he stopped a train by putting a glove over the green signal light, and attaching a battery to the red signal light. When the driver stopped to see what the problem was, o2o2 wacked him over the head, and forced the driver to take him where he wanted to go. Am surprised, no one`s thought of it before.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Sept 12, 2021 12:01:07 GMT
We may not have deserved to lose today but it's yet another shyte result. We've had our fair share of mediocre and downright disastrous seasons over the years but I'm getting more and more concerned that this one will top the lot. I have no confidence B***** can turn this around and the nightmare scenario of a return to the National League will almost certainly become a reality under his (lack of) leadership. Anything less than two wins from the next three games and I think Wael will have to act. I have a feeling he will not and will even double down by backing this fraud, lets face it, the list of candidates of known calibre would take one look at the players at their disposal and most likely only accept if they were given the funds to bring in suitable and vigorous players. I share your concern and feel we are in a very precarious situation, B***** , once again, blaming official is just too much, when will Wael et al understand this is not a suitable leader and does not have the motivational skills to push us on.. This plus the age of the players should be a concern to all. I don’t think there would be any coming back from another relegation out of their EFL
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Post by towngas on Sept 12, 2021 12:34:37 GMT
How did you manage to get home on the train? I tried every combo I could think of and the only way to get back to Bristol on the same day was to catch something like the 1620 from Hartlepool, which kind of defeated the object of going. After that, it was a 16 hour journey, getting back early Sunday. Perhaps he stopped a train by putting a glove over the green signal light, and attaching a battery to the red signal light. When the driver stopped to see what the problem was, o2o2 wacked him over the head, and forced the driver to take him where he wanted to go. Am surprised, no one`s thought of it before. I am as well. I reckon we could probably pull off a daring heist of mail money in transit then retire to Spain or somewhere where there’s no extradition treaty. As you say, I’m surprised no-one’s tried it before.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Sept 12, 2021 14:45:46 GMT
Just got back.....on chuff chuff. Oh well...we lost. Kinda karma from last week. We're not attacking with enough cohesive, formulative forward play to win. At the moment. We are defending with vigour, physical awareness and enough organisation to not lose games. Somewhere, we need to link the two. I really liked Grant today. Playing effective right back, then after sub switching to mid. He didn't create anything of note, just he stopped and tracked and done some hard work in that heat. Phew...what a heat to play in. The away end was a sun trap. Belshaw was again brilliant. Connor Taylor was again immense. I would question Evans as set piece delivery fella? Gave ball away a lot. I would question Finley as Captain? I would also question Hughes as he appeared to lose possession for their goal...happy to stand corrected...but he let the ball bounce first half to let in their striker, not impressed so far. We look ponderous on possession. In mid, we are a team of strangers and rarely link up. It's an uncompromising division, we are struggling with our basic passing and movement, quite a few times mid are bypassed for the inane punt to Clarke, and latterly pitman. Poor. Pitman had his one chance, a header, definitely in, but keeper made his save....it could so easily have been different. It could also have been different if Saunders shot had gone the other side of the stantion, a brilliant through ball by Evans set him up In a game we didn't deserve to lose, but definitely didn't deserve to win, we are playing settled established teams with our new squad and struggling. JAB appeared to make the subs and calls most of us would have made today, it just didn't work. It kinda did last week....small margins....we lost away to Hartlepool, they are upwardly moving, we aren't and haven't been for so long. Everyone did try, even Evans whom went off for water....(wtf!?) on their sub....but we did huff and puff. Just today it wasn't good enough. How did you manage to get home on the train? I tried every combo I could think of and the only way to get back to Bristol on the same day was to catch something like the 1620 from Hartlepool, which kind of defeated the object of going. After that, it was a 16 hour journey, getting back early Sunday. I didn't get back home, I got back. Back to the digs. I was on the train out of Hartlepool....fair play, their fans were in celebratory mood and I got covered with their alcohol as much as mother and daughter did in carriage. Honestly.... there's so much to explore up there non football related. Apologies if I mislead, my just got back was a bit mischievous...
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Sept 12, 2021 14:47:42 GMT
That's a good point, how long do you give to gel? We would have lost this match last season too, i m o, but I think it's a bit unfair to say we are worse....in a fantasy way, the team that took to the field yesterday would have definitely stood a better chance of winning v the team that took to the field v Accrington away last season. I don't see any captain issuing apologetic letters this season, in fact quite the opposite.... Whelan yesterday was vocal and riling up support, especially at set pieces we were defending (he directed Anderson to move forward on wing on one of them - breath of fresh air to me as I don't like it we have everyone back in the first half). What is apparent to me, I have no scientific evidence, is we are a team of strangers, new to each other and have been on a steady decline for 2 years.....we are playing teams with established formations and abilities, on a rise in form in their season and have momentum, with little in match to separate and we are coming out of it the wrong side of the result. We had this under DC when we were promoted from non league, much like yesterday Hartlepool are in the same upwardly transition, the crowd are used to winning and they vocally turn up. It all adds up to a difficult time when you're in the decline of form, and in transition with players that are no doubt good and some experienced, but can't convert that into team performances consistently enough. Which takes us back to how long do you give it...? I liked your idea last week that Creepy looked like a team whereas we looked like a bunch of blokes that had just met in the car park Thank you for the plaudits, and whilst I agree with the analogy, I don't think I can take credit with that original quote..
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2021 14:47:51 GMT
Perhaps he stopped a train by putting a glove over the green signal light, and attaching a battery to the red signal light. When the driver stopped to see what the problem was, o2o2 wacked him over the head, and forced the driver to take him where he wanted to go. Am surprised, no one`s thought of it before. I am as well. I reckon we could probably pull off a daring heist of mail money in transit then retire to Spain or somewhere where there’s no extradition treaty. As you say, I’m surprised no-one’s tried it before. I think impregnating a Brazilian woman would aid freedom. Just don't get ill in later life.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Sept 12, 2021 15:04:42 GMT
That's a good point, how long do you give to gel? We would have lost this match last season too, i m o, but I think it's a bit unfair to say we are worse....in a fantasy way, the team that took to the field yesterday would have definitely stood a better chance of winning v the team that took to the field v Accrington away last season. I don't see any captain issuing apologetic letters this season, in fact quite the opposite.... Whelan yesterday was vocal and riling up support, especially at set pieces we were defending (he directed Anderson to move forward on wing on one of them - breath of fresh air to me as I don't like it we have everyone back in the first half). What is apparent to me, I have no scientific evidence, is we are a team of strangers, new to each other and have been on a steady decline for 2 years.....we are playing teams with established formations and abilities, on a rise in form in their season and have momentum, with little in match to separate and we are coming out of it the wrong side of the result. We had this under DC when we were promoted from non league, much like yesterday Hartlepool are in the same upwardly transition, the crowd are used to winning and they vocally turn up. It all adds up to a difficult time when you're in the decline of form, and in transition with players that are no doubt good and some experienced, but can't convert that into team performances consistently enough. Which takes us back to how long do you give it...? Didnt you post quite a lot last season about how it was ridiculous to give Garner 10 games ? Bartons record is worse than Garners but you seem to want to give him more time ? I think that another 3 league games should be enough and unless Rovers get 5 points minimum from those games then B***** should go. Swindon will be the 10th league game ? so Garner could come back to haunt the people who sacked him. You see...? Sometimes I love this place. Respectful and points placed with integrity to probe and explore pov. Love it. You're so right.... chronologically, I did post that regarding BG. I think the parallels aren't identical. BG was untried, untested in any form of head coach/manager and player in league 1. I saw nothing under BG that made me think we were going to be successful or better than when he took over. There was no previous tangible success from BG that made me think he has pertinent transferrable skills to be successful in a tough, physical league 1. BG allowed our top striker talisman to leave without credible replacement that was tried and tested. BG had a beard. Whatever your opinion on JAB prior to his appointment with us, you couldn't attribute those important traits to him, so (based on no scientific fact at all), I've liked his personnel appointments/leavings and joinings and I think that's a small credit enough for beginnings. Also, I see JAB making mistakes (haha what do I know?) ... as opposed to BG whom looked like he had no clue on formations or how to sub to affect change in a match....he looked way out his depth with his own pickings and I don't regret any loss of players he chose to sign.
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