kingswood Polak
Without music life would be a mistake
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Post by kingswood Polak on Sept 10, 2021 14:35:27 GMT
You don’t help yourself by posting things like Wael never listened to you on choice of manager Steve. It’s bound to lead others to think you have a very close relationship with him People know I used to sit next to him at games from time to time for the pure fluke my box used to be the next one across. I’ve always been open and spoken honestly Jools, you know that. If people want to twist what I say then that’s up to them. I’m not trying to give any impression, but to correct a perspective that I’m some kind of loyal lap dog when I’m happy to give my opinion even if it’s something someone doesn’t want to hear. Fair enough but you know many would make that leap
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Post by irenestoyboy on Sept 10, 2021 14:38:51 GMT
People know I used to sit next to him at games from time to time for the pure fluke my box used to be the next one across. I’ve always been open and spoken honestly Jools, you know that. If people want to twist what I say then that’s up to them. I’m not trying to give any impression, but to correct a perspective that I’m some kind of loyal lap dog when I’m happy to give my opinion even if it’s something someone doesn’t want to hear. Fair enough but you know many would make that leap Only the ones desperate to believe there is an agenda being passed to me by The board. Even Swiss now thinks telepathy is involved. It’s getting ridiculous.
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Post by a more piratey game on Sept 10, 2021 15:09:10 GMT
I think if you were we could all probably agree that you were doing a s*** job of it I can't think of anything you've posted which would cause me to be suspicious. Although I haven't been looking for it either Blimey you dont have to look for it , its been a recurring theme for the last two years .You must have been up the watch tower of RMS in a previous life I find that a lot less persuasive than citing some examples
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Post by a more piratey game on Sept 10, 2021 15:22:32 GMT
I can't really work out why they are so finger-pointy at you on here itb. Well, sometimes I can, but much more often not - including this time Some are convinced I am fed information by the rovers top brass to deliberately post information to forums I think there's a bit of jealousy there. Some others used to be in the know (PC and SC leaders mainly) but aren't now. They think that you are (however unjustified that belief), so that 'you have replaced them' that's what makes most sense to me
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Post by a more piratey game on Sept 10, 2021 15:30:01 GMT
Could we please stop talking about the likes of Harding, Chappell, Cowell et al. They are now irrelevant. The club has moved on, life has evolved, but they are stuck in some sort of time-warp. IT'S FING OVER (Little Voice). Basically they bore the pants off me and they are unknown to the majority of the fan base...mercifully. We should ask ourselves how on earth we have been persuaded to spend so much time discussing John Harding, Jim Chappell, Knowall and Ken Masters when, as you say, they are unknown to the majority of the fanbase and their main contribution to the club happened way back in the past. I think it may be because of Wael’s obsession with them and he may be conveying this to ITB via thought transfer. One can imagine Colonel Gibson’s first day on the job when, following his review of the business, he had prepared a list of the important things he believed his role should embrace and wanted Wael to tell him which he should prioritise. · Assess why the “old new football philosophy” went wrong and create a plan for a “new new football philosophy” which will achieve the immediate aim of promotion back to League 1 but also build strong foundations for progress to be made from there. · Assess why the club’s business model is so inefficient compared to clubs of similar size and create a plan to rectify that deficiency. · Investigate all options for addressing the stadium issue with the aim of presenting stakeholders with a viable plan within a defined timescale. · Review the current training ground situation and prepare a detailed analysis of what will be needed to turn it into a valuable asset. And one can imagine Wael saying “that’s all very well but first I want you to sort out those old b*st*rds at the SC and PC”
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Post by a more piratey game on Sept 10, 2021 15:31:06 GMT
Fair enough but you know many would make that leap Even Swiss now thinks telepathy is involved. It’s getting ridiculous. turn your irony detector on there itb
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Post by irenestoyboy on Sept 10, 2021 17:25:47 GMT
Blimey you dont have to look for it , its been a recurring theme for the last two years .You must have been up the watch tower of RMS in a previous life I find that a lot less persuasive than citing some examples Don’t ever ask them for evidence, you’ll never get any.
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Post by gastower on Sept 10, 2021 21:13:12 GMT
Blimey you dont have to look for it , its been a recurring theme for the last two years .You must have been up the watch tower of RMS in a previous life I find that a lot less persuasive than citing some examples Examples to follow next weekNAPAB I am busy attacking a bottle of red which is far more satisfying than attacking ITB
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vaughan
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Post by vaughan on Sept 11, 2021 0:05:09 GMT
Can't decide if that's hilarious or really quite dark. Aren't people odd! Personally I found it hilarious. I mean, their clubs are going to rat 💩 because of their own incompetence and yet they are worrying me! I’m not sure if it’s obsessive, paranoia or just plain stupid reasoning? Perhaps all 3 in equal measure. You are quite correct about the colonels reaction too!! I had a head shaking chortle to myself when I found out. No doubt Brian Harris (whoever that is) will see this shortly too and post it on Facebook for good measure. Steve, I think that people have it in for you because you are confident in what you say and you don't subscribe to the old ways of doing things. You have the 2 fingers flexed. TWD will criticise us as we have somehow bottled it. Have a chuckle at the thought, as the club revolves around what we say / think. My advice is, don't take any of this too seriously. Please!!! Also, don't end up like Joey with verbal diarrhoea. Less is sometimes more.
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Post by irenestoyboy on Sept 11, 2021 6:40:03 GMT
Personally I found it hilarious. I mean, their clubs are going to rat 💩 because of their own incompetence and yet they are worrying me! I’m not sure if it’s obsessive, paranoia or just plain stupid reasoning? Perhaps all 3 in equal measure. You are quite correct about the colonels reaction too!! I had a head shaking chortle to myself when I found out. No doubt Brian Harris (whoever that is) will see this shortly too and post it on Facebook for good measure. Steve, I think that people have it in for you because you are confident in what you say and you don't subscribe to the old ways of doing things. You have the 2 fingers flexed. TWD will criticise us as we have somehow bottled it. Have a chuckle at the thought, as the club revolves around what we say / think. My advice is, don't take any of this too seriously. Please!!! Also, don't end up like Joey with verbal diarrhoea. Less is sometimes more. Thanks for the counsel Vaughan. I’ll take it on board. You could be right about why some have it in for me, but it seems if you upset one, you upset them all. The old way of doing things had its place in time, but that time should have been left behind a long time ago. I know I haven’t bottled anything, because the undertone from Wael’s last message RE the supporters club was, if Jim doesn’t resign and the SC apologise, I’m not working with the SC or ratifying it’s director and you can swivel. If that really was the message, it’s pointless doing anything anyway until JC leaves. Anyway, game day and hopefully 3 points today. UTG.
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kingswood Polak
Without music life would be a mistake
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Post by kingswood Polak on Sept 11, 2021 7:43:51 GMT
I find that a lot less persuasive than citing some examples Examples to follow next weekNAPAB I am busy attacking a bottle of red which is far more satisfying than attacking ITB Apart from the staunch defence of Wael, who i believe is as close to a friend to Steve, i find him fine tbh, i used to get a bit agitated but his ability to reason and not get mad is a good thing plus i sort of admire sticking up for a friend, its very rare nowadays. I will make it a mission to meet up and introduce myself in person, much nicer to post when you know the other person. I have warmed to him if honest but it wasn’t always so then i found myself thinking, why am i getting agitated by a bloody forum post and poster.
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kingswood Polak
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Post by kingswood Polak on Sept 11, 2021 7:47:28 GMT
Personally I found it hilarious. I mean, their clubs are going to rat 💩 because of their own incompetence and yet they are worrying me! I’m not sure if it’s obsessive, paranoia or just plain stupid reasoning? Perhaps all 3 in equal measure. You are quite correct about the colonels reaction too!! I had a head shaking chortle to myself when I found out. No doubt Brian Harris (whoever that is) will see this shortly too and post it on Facebook for good measure. Steve, I think that people have it in for you because you are confident in what you say and you don't subscribe to the old ways of doing things. You have the 2 fingers flexed. TWD will criticise us as we have somehow bottled it. Have a chuckle at the thought, as the club revolves around what we say / think. My advice is, don't take any of this too seriously. Please!!! Also, don't end up like Joey with verbal diarrhoea. Less is sometimes more. In defence of @thethinwhiteduke all he does is question things,with firm basis and won’t let go plus you will not fool not bluff him, I admire his tenacity, nothing wrong in that and, after all, its what a forum is for, it would be very dull if we all agreed, unless we were winning every week and in total harmony, bliss. I can dream
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Post by irenestoyboy on Sept 11, 2021 9:31:32 GMT
Examples to follow next weekNAPAB I am busy attacking a bottle of red which is far more satisfying than attacking ITB Apart from the staunch defence of Wael, who i believe is as close to a friend to Steve, i find him fine tbh, i used to get a bit agitated but his ability to reason and not get mad is a good thing plus i sort of admire sticking up for a friend, its very rare nowadays. I will make it a mission to meet up and introduce myself in person, much nicer to post when you know the other person. I have warmed to him if honest but it wasn’t always so then i found myself thinking, why am i getting agitated by a bloody forum post and poster. I stick up for what is right more than anything else Jools it doesn’t matter who it is. I think I’ve stuck up for you in the past on t’other side. I’m a great believer that if you can’t say something to someone’s face then you shouldn’t say it behind someone’s back and I include being behind a keyboard using an anonymous pseudonym in that. It’s why I have little respect for the ones like gastower who constantly do so and only come on here when there is board bashing to be done with the constant narrative from the SC which has shown up to be working against the club and not with it. Always up for meeting and putting faces to names. I’m always in and around the west stand.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2021 9:45:00 GMT
Apart from the staunch defence of Wael, who i believe is as close to a friend to Steve, i find him fine tbh, i used to get a bit agitated but his ability to reason and not get mad is a good thing plus i sort of admire sticking up for a friend, its very rare nowadays. I will make it a mission to meet up and introduce myself in person, much nicer to post when you know the other person. I have warmed to him if honest but it wasn’t always so then i found myself thinking, why am i getting agitated by a bloody forum post and poster. I stick up for what is right more than anything else Jools it doesn’t matter who it is. I think I’ve stuck up for you in the past on t’other side. I’m a great believer that if you can’t say something to someone’s face then you shouldn’t say it behind someone’s back and I include being behind a keyboard using an anonymous pseudonym in that. It’s why I have little respect for the ones like gastower who constantly do so and only come on here when there is board bashing to be done with the constant narrative from the SC which has shown up to be working against the club and not with it. Always up for meeting and putting faces to names. I’m always in and around the west stand. Again, find Jim, get his side of this entire, sad and sorry mess. It's unlikely that you'll leave the conversation agreeing with him, but I'll wager that you'll leave convinced that he was sure that everything he's done and said was always in the best interests of the FC. Maybe you have information or details that he doesn't, if that's the case he'll be happy to listen to you. That's always been my experience of him anyway. No, I'm not agreeing with how the SC has been run or the things done in its name, what I'm doing is asking that you do is practice what you preach. Jim really isn't some terrible ogre, you'll learn that if you make the effort to engage with the bloke.
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Post by irenestoyboy on Sept 11, 2021 10:19:37 GMT
I stick up for what is right more than anything else Jools it doesn’t matter who it is. I think I’ve stuck up for you in the past on t’other side. I’m a great believer that if you can’t say something to someone’s face then you shouldn’t say it behind someone’s back and I include being behind a keyboard using an anonymous pseudonym in that. It’s why I have little respect for the ones like gastower who constantly do so and only come on here when there is board bashing to be done with the constant narrative from the SC which has shown up to be working against the club and not with it. Always up for meeting and putting faces to names. I’m always in and around the west stand. Again, find Jim, get his side of this entire, sad and sorry mess. It's unlikely that you'll leave the conversation agreeing with him, but I'll wager that you'll leave convinced that he was sure that everything he's done and said was always in the best interests of the FC. Maybe you have information or details that he doesn't, if that's the case he'll be happy to listen to you. That's always been my experience of him anyway. No, I'm not agreeing with how the SC has been run or the things done in its name, what I'm doing is asking that you do is practice what you preach. Jim really isn't some terrible ogre, you'll learn that if you make the effort to engage with the bloke. I’ll admit I’ve not tried to reach out to him in person, only via email, which has had no success. Now isn’t the right time to do so as he has just lost his grandson which must be devastating for him and his family and I’m sure he’s got lots more to worry about than the SC. I’ll leave it a few weeks and maybe try and speak to him. I’ve never thought of Jim as an ogre, he’s probably a very nice bloke, and dare I say it, we might both understand each other if we had the chance to sit down and talk. I simply see him as someone who backed the wrong horse, but rather than admit his failing and then act in good judgement by condemning the behaviour of KM and the rest of them, and then change the course of the SC, he continued support it and work with the agenda against the club. Perhaps there is some other peer pressure there. But that’s showing strong leadership as a chairman if you stand up for what is right rather following the rest.
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vaughan
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Post by vaughan on Sept 11, 2021 10:30:20 GMT
Steve, I think that people have it in for you because you are confident in what you say and you don't subscribe to the old ways of doing things. You have the 2 fingers flexed. TWD will criticise us as we have somehow bottled it. Have a chuckle at the thought, as the club revolves around what we say / think. My advice is, don't take any of this too seriously. Please!!! Also, don't end up like Joey with verbal diarrhoea. Less is sometimes more. In defence of @thethinwhiteduke all he does is question things,with firm basis and wont let go, nothing wrong in that and, after all, its what a forum is for, it would be very dull if we all agreed, unless we were winning every week and in total harmony, bliss. I can dream Then don't use the phrase "bottled it" when Steve and I both went through the right channels to discuss the ideas / nominations and were told that they were both non-starters by Chairmen of BRFC and BRSC respectively. Consult, collaborate, etc. My idea was ground development at Mem through crowd-funding. Wael decided to fund the training ground himself. Applause. Steve had the temerity to put his hand up for SC nomination and JC refused it. Steve hasn't banged on about the injustice of it, but accepted that he is currently swimming against the SC tide. Since then, the tide has gone out. For the record, no-one cares about all of this.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2021 10:39:34 GMT
Again, find Jim, get his side of this entire, sad and sorry mess. It's unlikely that you'll leave the conversation agreeing with him, but I'll wager that you'll leave convinced that he was sure that everything he's done and said was always in the best interests of the FC. Maybe you have information or details that he doesn't, if that's the case he'll be happy to listen to you. That's always been my experience of him anyway. No, I'm not agreeing with how the SC has been run or the things done in its name, what I'm doing is asking that you do is practice what you preach. Jim really isn't some terrible ogre, you'll learn that if you make the effort to engage with the bloke. I’ll admit I’ve not tried to reach out to him in person, only via email, which has had no success. Now isn’t the right time to do so as he has just lost his grandson which must be devastating for him and his family and I’m sure he’s got lots more to worry about than the SC. I’ll leave it a few weeks and maybe try and speak to him. I’ve never thought of Jim as an ogre, he’s probably a very nice bloke, and dare I say it, we might both understand each other if we had the chance to sit down and talk. I simply see him as someone who backed the wrong horse, but rather than admit his failing and then act in good judgement by condemning the behaviour of KM and the rest of them, and then change the course of the SC, he continued support it and work with the agenda against the club. Perhaps there is some other peer pressure there. But that’s showing strong leadership as a chairman if you stand up for what is right rather following the rest. The only bit that's not quite right for me is being critical of his strength of character. The SC Executive Committee is a democratic thing, the EC members, and possibly a few other people, will meet to discuss topics and decisions will be made based on majority opinion, (obviously only EC members have voting rights, but in my experience others can sometimes be in attendance and whilst there are naturally encouraged to give their opinion) with the Chair having the deciding vote in the event of the rest of those eligible to vote being unable to reach a decision. The rest of what you've said above, I'm with you completely. I don't want to labour this point, but don't want confusion either, I strongly disapprove of and disagree with both how the SC has been run in recent years and the fact that they've got involved in a very unpleasant and public dispute with the FC owners, that benefits nobody.
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Post by a more piratey game on Sept 11, 2021 11:02:02 GMT
In defence of @thethinwhiteduke all he does is question things,with firm basis and wont let go, nothing wrong in that and, after all, its what a forum is for, it would be very dull if we all agreed, unless we were winning every week and in total harmony, bliss. I can dream Then don't use the phrase "bottled it" when Steve and I both went through the right channels to discuss the ideas / nominations and were told that they were both non-starters by Chairmen of BRFC and BRSC respectively. Consult, collaborate, etc. My idea was ground development at Mem through crowd-funding. Wael decided to fund the training ground himself. Applause. Steve had the temerity to put his hand up for SC nomination and JC refused it. Steve hasn't banged on about the injustice of it, but accepted that he is currently swimming against the SC tide. Since then, the tide has gone out. For the record, no-one cares about all of this. I think the record to which you refer might be the broken one? (and not in the Olympic sense)
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kingswood Polak
Without music life would be a mistake
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Post by kingswood Polak on Sept 11, 2021 12:50:30 GMT
In defence of @thethinwhiteduke all he does is question things,with firm basis and wont let go, nothing wrong in that and, after all, its what a forum is for, it would be very dull if we all agreed, unless we were winning every week and in total harmony, bliss. I can dream Then don't use the phrase "bottled it" when Steve and I both went through the right channels to discuss the ideas / nominations and were told that they were both non-starters by Chairmen of BRFC and BRSC respectively. Consult, collaborate, etc. My idea was ground development at Mem through crowd-funding. Wael decided to fund the training ground himself. Applause. Steve had the temerity to put his hand up for SC nomination and JC refused it. Steve hasn't banged on about the injustice of it, but accepted that he is currently swimming against the SC tide. Since then, the tide has gone out. For the record, no-one cares about all of this. Who rattled your cage fella ? Please don’t tell me what to write as I don’t take to being told what to do.
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kingswood Polak
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Post by kingswood Polak on Sept 11, 2021 12:54:34 GMT
Apart from the staunch defence of Wael, who i believe is as close to a friend to Steve, i find him fine tbh, i used to get a bit agitated but his ability to reason and not get mad is a good thing plus i sort of admire sticking up for a friend, its very rare nowadays. I will make it a mission to meet up and introduce myself in person, much nicer to post when you know the other person. I have warmed to him if honest but it wasn’t always so then i found myself thinking, why am i getting agitated by a bloody forum post and poster. I stick up for what is right more than anything else Jools it doesn’t matter who it is. I think I’ve stuck up for you in the past on t’other side. I’m a great believer that if you can’t say something to someone’s face then you shouldn’t say it behind someone’s back and I include being behind a keyboard using an anonymous pseudonym in that. It’s why I have little respect for the ones like gastower who constantly do so and only come on here when there is board bashing to be done with the constant narrative from the SC which has shown up to be working against the club and not with it. Always up for meeting and putting faces to names. I’m always in and around the west stand. Next home game, let me know where and time please. I was always for meeting other posters and it was me who came up with the idea of having a meet up which JTS THEN TURNED INTO THE FFSC, some may not like me saying it but that is how it went. I think it makes it a nicer place when you know the person you are replying to, I also post as i would in reality, not to everyone’s taste but you can’t please everyone
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