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Post by mangogas15 on Aug 8, 2021 21:46:27 GMT
Once upon a time there was an unnamed tournament, unnamed teams, unnamed referee and unnamed parents.
Girls under 12s
The referee aged 17 waves play on in the quarter final as a girl slips. No foul.
A parent shouts 'are you sure ref, are you sure' aggressively 5 times.
The ref's Dad says 'yes he is, because he's in charge'
The parent argues who is he to tell him, he has his opinion.
The Dad says 'I'm his Dad'
The parent walks off still moaning and shouting, the ref handles it perfectly by asking both to keep quiet.
Another coach on the same team tells the ref hia friend can speak to who he wants about it and proceeds to verbally abuse the ref making a personal comment.
All this in front of children.
This was reported to the Tournament officials, the chairman and the GFA today.
It happened today, all round the UK.
Tournaments are toxic atmospheres for kids to be involved in. It must stop.
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Post by mangogas15 on Aug 24, 2021 20:13:32 GMT
A second hand report this time.
Under 10s boys at the Port of Bristol tournament last weekend, Sunday.
The semi final is forfeited by the losing team with 5 minutes to go with 4 players injured by the same player, the manager's son of the winning team.
With a young bullied referee.
Disgraceful.
It has to stop.
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Post by warehamgas on Aug 26, 2021 22:23:30 GMT
Sounds pretty bad mango. Were you there as a spectator or parent or just picking it up as a news item?
Since my boys were doing it 20 odd years ago it seems to have got worse. I used to be the only dad prepared to run the line and I sometimes got some unpleasant comments but it was generally ok. What you’ve described seems pretty bad.
I used to ref schools football and it wasn’t too bad. As schools perhaps we had a bit more authority to tell parents how to behave or face the consequences. You haven’t got that in club football. I feel sorry for the young players, they will know it’s wrong.
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Post by mangogas15 on Aug 27, 2021 7:12:06 GMT
Sounds pretty bad mango. Were you there as a spectator or parent or just picking it up as a news item? Since my boys were doing it 20 odd years ago it seems to have got worse. I used to be the only dad prepared to run the line and I sometimes got some unpleasant comments but it was generally ok. What you’ve described seems pretty bad. I used to ref schools football and it wasn’t too bad. As schools perhaps we had a bit more authority to tell parents how to behave or face the consequences. You haven’t got that in club football. I feel sorry for the young players, they will know it’s wrong. I was a parent of the ref in the first one. The incident was reported to GFA but they have not responded. The second one was a my mate's grandson. I heard that 2nd hand. For every one we see, it is happening up and down the country. I ran the line too back in the day, wasn't too bad, but I coached for 9 years as well, and watching games from the refs POV is a real eye opener. |
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Post by lostinspace on Aug 27, 2021 9:42:43 GMT
Some 16 years since I was involved in junior football and there was always one set you could rely on being the proverbial pain, contest anything seemingly just for the sake of being noticed, normally it was relatively youngish refs starting off and forever on the wrong end of abuse, and some who's parents took them out if it as they were getting so upset
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Post by warehamgas on Aug 27, 2021 11:05:28 GMT
Some 16 years since I was involved in junior football and there was always one set you could rely on being the proverbial pain, contest anything seemingly just for the sake of being noticed, normally it was relatively youngish refs starting off and forever on the wrong end of abuse, and some who's parents took them out if it as they were getting so upset Trouble I always thought was that our youth football was played on Sundays and some parents had watched MOTD on the Saturday night and thought they were all Alex Ferguson (back in the day). They saw him challenging and they thought it was normal to do that which in professional football it probably is. But this was youth football from U-9s to U-18s, proper youth and it wasn’t ok to do what they did. I bet we’ve all got a wealth of stories to tell about parents, dads and in my case even some women! UTG! |
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Post by warehamgas on Aug 27, 2021 11:09:00 GMT
Sounds pretty bad mango. Were you there as a spectator or parent or just picking it up as a news item? Since my boys were doing it 20 odd years ago it seems to have got worse. I used to be the only dad prepared to run the line and I sometimes got some unpleasant comments but it was generally ok. What you’ve described seems pretty bad. I used to ref schools football and it wasn’t too bad. As schools perhaps we had a bit more authority to tell parents how to behave or face the consequences. You haven’t got that in club football. I feel sorry for the young players, they will know it’s wrong. I was a parent of the ref in the first one. The incident was reported to GFA but they have not responded. The second one was a my mate's grandson. I heard that 2nd hand. For every one we see, it is happening up and down the country. I ran the line too back in the day, wasn't too bad, but I coached for 9 years as well, and watching games from the refs POV is a real eye opener. I hope your son was ok. But I suspect he has that fairly regularly doesn’t he? He sounds as if he handled it well. UTG! |
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Post by mangogas15 on Aug 27, 2021 12:15:43 GMT
Some 16 years since I was involved in junior football and there was always one set you could rely on being the proverbial pain, contest anything seemingly just for the sake of being noticed, normally it was relatively youngish refs starting off and forever on the wrong end of abuse, and some who's parents took them out if it as they were getting so upset It can be enjoyable but can be extremely toxic and is unnecessarily so |
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Post by mangogas15 on Aug 27, 2021 12:16:56 GMT
Some 16 years since I was involved in junior football and there was always one set you could rely on being the proverbial pain, contest anything seemingly just for the sake of being noticed, normally it was relatively youngish refs starting off and forever on the wrong end of abuse, and some who's parents took them out if it as they were getting so upset Trouble I always thought was that our youth football was played on Sundays and some parents had watched MOTD on the Saturday night and thought they were all Alex Ferguson (back in the day). They saw him challenging and they thought it was normal to do that which in professional football it probably is. But this was youth football from U-9s to U-18s, proper youth and it wasn’t ok to do what they did. I bet we’ve all got a wealth of stories to tell about parents, dads and in my case even some women! UTG! It seems to be ok up to u10s which is when it kicks in and they start getting more physical and competitive. |
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Post by mangogas15 on Aug 27, 2021 12:18:28 GMT
I was a parent of the ref in the first one. The incident was reported to GFA but they have not responded. The second one was a my mate's grandson. I heard that 2nd hand. For every one we see, it is happening up and down the country. I ran the line too back in the day, wasn't too bad, but I coached for 9 years as well, and watching games from the refs POV is a real eye opener. I hope your son was ok. But I suspect he has that fairly regularly doesn’t he? He sounds as if he handled it well. UTG! Yes Bless you for that He is better now than when he started 3 years ago, when he was 14 and they were still berating him. He is stronger for it, a good life lesson but hard to watch. He was brilliant, thanks. |
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Post by mangogas15 on Aug 29, 2021 5:25:54 GMT
So yesterday we saw one of reasons why football makes it ok to verbally abuse young referees at football tournaments.
Liverpool's Jordan Henderson arguing with the referee over a tiny decision which didn't affect the game. Arguably, is this worse than what went on just before half time from Chelsea? Probably not.
You could also see fans waving their arms and presumably swearing at the one man in the middle. Someone's Dad, Someone's Son, Someone's Brother, Someone's Boss, Someone's kids' teacher, Someone's Husband. Am I talking about the referee or the fan?
Kids see Match of the Day, they see Jordan Henderson, they sit next to the fan berating the referee, they see players and managers bullying one person.
I support Liverpool but I do not support his behaviour.
I need to give this some balance because what happened from Chelsea was nothing short of disgraceful.
A total lack of respect for the officials and their opponents.
Disgraceful.
I hope none of Anthony Taylors family was watching, just for their sakes.
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Post by warehamgas on Aug 29, 2021 21:53:24 GMT
That’s what I meant about years ago when parents all watched MOTD. When professionals react in that way it almost gives permission for parents, players and any others to have a go at the referee. I think Henderson is one of the most respectful of players when it comes to this sort of stuff so it was disappointing to see it. Unfortunately professionals do it and give a clear message that’s wrong to young players.
UTG!
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Post by mangogas15 on Aug 30, 2021 10:17:44 GMT
That’s what I meant about years ago when parents all watched MOTD. When professionals react in that way it almost gives permission for parents, players and any others to have a go at the referee. I think Henderson is one of the most respectful of players when it comes to this sort of stuff so it was disappointing to see it. Unfortunately professionals do it and give a clear message that’s wrong to young players. UTG! Au contraire Blackadder, I think Henderson follows in the footsteps of Gerrard and Carragher who were among the worst. He would argue a decision FOR him if he could. Chelsea were a disgrace. They should be fined or charged. Unfortunately a lot of parents over this way are City fans who are a lot worse than Rovers fans for this kind of thing. Although it is not their monopoly. |
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Post by mangogas15 on Aug 30, 2021 10:19:59 GMT
Thank you for your comments to date.
I feek really strongly about this thread and subject.
I have there amended the title so we can make this potentially a weekly discussion and out players and people who show disrespect for the Referee.
Rovers will not be exempt trust me.
Joe needs to wind his neck in.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2021 12:07:54 GMT
Well here's the thing.
The authorities have, to a large degree brought this upon themselves, and here's why.
Firstly, a lot of the officials are pot bellied little blokes incapable of keeping up with play, secondly decisions are made to favour certain teams.
Don't believe me?
Watch Callum Chambers get punched in the face, not a foul apparently, Man City score a few seconds later, so VAR will have checked what happened, then watch Pogba go over the top of the ball and the underside of his foot contact an opponents standing leg, no foul, Man Utd scored a couple of seconds later, so VAR will have seen it.
Try doing either of those things wearing, for example, a Norwich shirt and you'll be straight off the pitch.
Of course supporters have little respect for officials when the people taking charge of PL games are obviously corrupt. And that, sadly, feeds all the way down through the game. If the top end of the game was sorted out I think that would, in time, go a long way towards correcting the issues highlighted in the OP.
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Post by mangogas15 on Aug 31, 2021 12:14:50 GMT
Well here's the thing. The authorities have, to a large degree brought this upon themselves, and here's why. Firstly, a lot of the officials are pot bellied little blokes incapable of keeping up with play, secondly decisions are made to favour certain teams. Don't believe me? Watch Callum Chambers get punched in the face, not a foul apparently, Man City score a few seconds later, so VAR will have checked what happened, then watch Pogba go over the top of the ball and the underside of his foot contact an opponents standing leg, no foul, Man Utd scored a couple of seconds later, so VAR will have seen it. Try doing either of those things wearing, for example, a Norwich shirt and you'll be straight off the pitch. Of course supporters have little respect for officials when the people taking charge of PL games are obviously corrupt. And that, sadly, feeds all the way down through the game. If the top end of the game was sorted out I think that would, in time, go a long way towards correcting the issues highlighted in the OP. Even if the decisions were right and the refs were perfect, the abuse would still happen, in an attempt to gain 1% advantage as we saw at Anfield. What grounds did Chelsea have to complain about handball on the line, penalty and red card. This has not been discussed, I just don't understand what their problem was. Is it that no one is allowed to score or have a penalty or man sent off v Chelsea? I fear Liverpool would have been the same if roles reversed. You are right in the fact that if the top end is sorted it should filter down. The grass roots and kids football end can sort themselves while we are waiting by having clubs fined, parents banned and coaches banned if the behaviour is unacceptable, you need FA officials at each game to back up the ref. Writing a report on a user unfriendly spreadsheet is not good enough. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2021 13:12:48 GMT
Well here's the thing. The authorities have, to a large degree brought this upon themselves, and here's why. Firstly, a lot of the officials are pot bellied little blokes incapable of keeping up with play, secondly decisions are made to favour certain teams. Don't believe me? Watch Callum Chambers get punched in the face, not a foul apparently, Man City score a few seconds later, so VAR will have checked what happened, then watch Pogba go over the top of the ball and the underside of his foot contact an opponents standing leg, no foul, Man Utd scored a couple of seconds later, so VAR will have seen it. Try doing either of those things wearing, for example, a Norwich shirt and you'll be straight off the pitch. Of course supporters have little respect for officials when the people taking charge of PL games are obviously corrupt. And that, sadly, feeds all the way down through the game. If the top end of the game was sorted out I think that would, in time, go a long way towards correcting the issues highlighted in the OP. Even if the decisions were right and the refs were perfect, the abuse would still happen, in an attempt to gain 1% advantage as we saw at Anfield. What grounds did Chelsea have to complain about handball on the line, penalty and red card. This has not been discussed, I just don't understand what their problem was. Is it that no one is allowed to score or have a penalty or man sent off v Chelsea? I fear Liverpool would have been the same if roles reversed. You are right in the fact that if the top end is sorted it should filter down. The grass roots and kids football end can sort themselves while we are waiting by having clubs fined, parents banned and coaches banned if the behaviour is unacceptable, you need FA officials at each game to back up the ref. Writing a report on a user unfriendly spreadsheet is not good enough. Kind of agree, but what would be more helpful in the professional game, in my opinion, would be a report saying that the referee got most of the major decisions wrong, when everybody can see that's exactly what happened, or that Mike Dean appeared every bit as interested in continuing his exhibitionist behaviour as he was in officiating correctly. When that type of report is written and made public people will accept that the people running the game are seeing what everybody else is and are being honest about it, until then there's a huge disconnect between supporters and those who assume positions of authority. No, I don't think it's right that parents shout aggressively from the side lines as you describe above. |
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Post by mangogas15 on Aug 31, 2021 14:33:21 GMT
Even if the decisions were right and the refs were perfect, the abuse would still happen, in an attempt to gain 1% advantage as we saw at Anfield. What grounds did Chelsea have to complain about handball on the line, penalty and red card. This has not been discussed, I just don't understand what their problem was. Is it that no one is allowed to score or have a penalty or man sent off v Chelsea? I fear Liverpool would have been the same if roles reversed. You are right in the fact that if the top end is sorted it should filter down. The grass roots and kids football end can sort themselves while we are waiting by having clubs fined, parents banned and coaches banned if the behaviour is unacceptable, you need FA officials at each game to back up the ref. Writing a report on a user unfriendly spreadsheet is not good enough. Kind of agree, but what would be more helpful in the professional game, in my opinion, would be a report saying that the referee got most of the major decisions wrong, when everybody can see that's exactly what happened, or that Mike Dean appeared every bit as interested in continuing his exhibitionist behaviour as he was in officiating correctly. When that type of report is written and made public people will accept that the people running the game are seeing what everybody else is and are being honest about it, until then there's a huge disconnect between supporters and those who assume positions of authority. No, I don't think it's right that parents shout aggressively from the side lines as you describe above. We could also do with the refs being mic'd up in the top leagues, and also talking to the media after the game to explain decisions. The Dermot Gallagher thing on Mondays on Ski is good |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2021 22:34:26 GMT
Kind of agree, but what would be more helpful in the professional game, in my opinion, would be a report saying that the referee got most of the major decisions wrong, when everybody can see that's exactly what happened, or that Mike Dean appeared every bit as interested in continuing his exhibitionist behaviour as he was in officiating correctly. When that type of report is written and made public people will accept that the people running the game are seeing what everybody else is and are being honest about it, until then there's a huge disconnect between supporters and those who assume positions of authority. No, I don't think it's right that parents shout aggressively from the side lines as you describe above. We could also do with the refs being mic'd up in the top leagues, and also talking to the media after the game to explain decisions. The Dermot Gallagher thing on Mondays on Ski is good Agreed, but you really do need to drop people like Dean and find people of the calibre of Wayne Barnes and Nigel Owens. Just tell the players what's what, if they answer back penalise them. But you also have to be consistent with your decision making and not start off favouring Man Utd, which the FA always have, and you can't regard 'talking points' as being good for the game. Then maybe you'll make some progress. |
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Post by mangogas15 on Sept 1, 2021 9:03:08 GMT
We could also do with the refs being mic'd up in the top leagues, and also talking to the media after the game to explain decisions. The Dermot Gallagher thing on Mondays on Ski is good Agreed, but you really do need to drop people like Dean and find people of the calibre of Wayne Barnes and Nigel Owens. Just tell the players what's what, if they answer back penalise them. But you also have to be consistent with your decision making and not start off favouring Man Utd, which the FA always have, and you can't regard 'talking points' as being good for the game. Then maybe you'll make some progress. There would have to be a structure but contentious decisions would be explained. VAR has taken away so many decisions where we think 'why has he given that?' |
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