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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2021 14:53:33 GMT
I think that the red herring here is comparing Lansdown to waq, Lansdown has built a premiership ground at AG,waq has erected a tent ! Nail on the head. We have had promises but SL has acted. There is absolutely no comparison to be made. I’d like to know of any other EFL club whose owners have placed a charge on property they already own. @contradiction . Can you maybe tell me if there are any such clubs, please ? Think you'd would have to look individually, there are a few books that explains behind the scenes football finance, Kieran Maguire is a good source of info
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Post by swissgas on May 2, 2021 16:24:32 GMT
So why the charge against the stadium ? For the same reason as the field at Almondsbury is owned by Dwane and not by Rovers, its so that if Rovers go bust Dwane get to keep (and sell) the assets. Because thats standard practice, certainly within football, and makes it quicker and easier to manage/increase funds with the various banks.
Its exactly the same over as Ashton - Lansdown has had various charges on the stadium over the years. Bristol City Ltd, Ashton Gate ltd, Bristol City Holding ltd, Ashton Gate Holdings ltd, they have been carved up all over the place. He is a billionaire and still did it. Its pretty standard practice.
Its another red herring with the intention of getting people to question the integrity of the owners
If you want to talk about integrity perhaps you could ask Wael why he told fans that a charge was necessary so that Dwane Sports could provide a credit facility to BRFC 1883 Ltd. That is clearly not true because if Dwane Sports Ltd are providing the funding themselves there is no reason for them not to do so unsecured. But if someone else is providing cash to Dwane Sports and it is they who insist on the charge then why not be up front and tell us because there is no shame in it. Barclays Bank have a charge over the assets of BCFC Ltd so Steve Lansdown isn’t afraid to reveal that he doesn’t always use his own cash to fund his sports venture. What I have tried to warn against earlier in this thread is the temptation, when he is under extreme pressure, for Wael to take funding from the wrong sources which IMO B***** and his associates would be.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2021 16:27:03 GMT
Wael runs a bank. Im sure he knows
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Post by swissgas on May 2, 2021 16:36:30 GMT
Wael runs a bank. Im sure he knows The AJIB annual report doesn’t list him as one of the directors or senior executives ? But if he does run the bank it might explain why their profits have halved over the past five years.
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Post by droitwichgas on May 2, 2021 17:47:26 GMT
Because thats standard practice, certainly within football, and makes it quicker and easier to manage/increase funds with the various banks.
Its exactly the same over as Ashton - Lansdown has had various charges on the stadium over the years. Bristol City Ltd, Ashton Gate ltd, Bristol City Holding ltd, Ashton Gate Holdings ltd, they have been carved up all over the place. He is a billionaire and still did it. Its pretty standard practice.
Its another red herring with the intention of getting people to question the integrity of the owners
If you want to talk about integrity perhaps you could ask Wael why he told fans that a charge was necessary so that Dwane Sports could provide a credit facility to BRFC 1883 Ltd. That is clearly not true because if Dwane Sports Ltd are providing the funding themselves there is no reason for them not to do so unsecured. But if someone else is providing cash to Dwane Sports and it is they who insist on the charge then why not be up front and tell us because there is no shame in it. Barclays Bank have a charge over the assets of BCFC Ltd so Steve Lansdown isn’t afraid to reveal that he doesn’t always use his own cash to fund his sports venture. What I have tried to warn against earlier in this thread is the temptation, when he is under extreme pressure, for Wael to take funding from the wrong sources which IMO B***** and his associates would be. What's wrong with B***** and his associates? I can't recall any doing time for fraud or embezzlement etc? Just to add to SG's fantasy, how about B***** and his associates realised that buying into a L2 club would be a lot cheaper than buying a share in a L1 club, so caused such disharmony at the club following his arrival it led to our relegation.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2021 18:00:46 GMT
If you want to talk about integrity perhaps you could ask Wael why he told fans that a charge was necessary so that Dwane Sports could provide a credit facility to BRFC 1883 Ltd. That is clearly not true because if Dwane Sports Ltd are providing the funding themselves there is no reason for them not to do so unsecured. But if someone else is providing cash to Dwane Sports and it is they who insist on the charge then why not be up front and tell us because there is no shame in it. Barclays Bank have a charge over the assets of BCFC Ltd so Steve Lansdown isn’t afraid to reveal that he doesn’t always use his own cash to fund his sports venture. What I have tried to warn against earlier in this thread is the temptation, when he is under extreme pressure, for Wael to take funding from the wrong sources which IMO B***** and his associates would be. What's wrong with B***** and his associates? I can't recall any doing time for fraud or embezzlement etc? I guess you have never heard of Stephen Vaughan and his son then.
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Post by droitwichgas on May 2, 2021 22:05:32 GMT
What's wrong with B***** and his associates? I can't recall any doing time for fraud or embezzlement etc? I guess you have never heard of Stephen Vaughan and his son then. But is there any link between Vaughan Senior and B*****, apart from he's the father of one his associates, Vaughan Junior?
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2021 22:25:28 GMT
What's wrong with B***** and his associates? I can't recall any doing time for fraud or embezzlement etc? I guess you have never heard of Stephen Vaughan and his son then. I'm guessing that someone you have as a groom at your wedding would be a person that you associate with? www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7112865/Joey-B*****-gets-married-Georgia-McNeil-lavish-Oxfordshire-country-house.htmlAs a little bonus and something I wasn't aware of, and am of course shocked by, according to the story on that link, B*****'s stag do in Newquay descended into extreme violence. Who would have thunk it!
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Post by swissgas on May 3, 2021 1:01:35 GMT
If you want to talk about integrity perhaps you could ask Wael why he told fans that a charge was necessary so that Dwane Sports could provide a credit facility to BRFC 1883 Ltd. That is clearly not true because if Dwane Sports Ltd are providing the funding themselves there is no reason for them not to do so unsecured. But if someone else is providing cash to Dwane Sports and it is they who insist on the charge then why not be up front and tell us because there is no shame in it. Barclays Bank have a charge over the assets of BCFC Ltd so Steve Lansdown isn’t afraid to reveal that he doesn’t always use his own cash to fund his sports venture. What I have tried to warn against earlier in this thread is the temptation, when he is under extreme pressure, for Wael to take funding from the wrong sources which IMO B***** and his associates would be. What's wrong with B***** and his associates? I can't recall any doing time for fraud or embezzlement etc? Just to add to SG's fantasy, how about B***** and his associates realised that buying into a L2 club would be a lot cheaper than buying a share in a L1 club, so caused such disharmony at the club following his arrival it led to our relegation. I’m sorry to read that post DG. No problem with calling me a fantasist I’m used to that and I know you mean no malice with it but the question about B*****’s associates ? Presumably you have read up on the pair of Vaughans and are aware they are violent criminals who have destroyed football clubs but google Curtis Warren Gangster as well for more gory detail. And we know about B*****’s best mate Andrew Taylor who killed a policeman and for whom Eddy Jennings gave a character reference. But have you forgotten his long time associate Willie McKay who is currently on bail and facing a fraud trial in June ? He was also given a police harassment warning for threatening to kill everyone at Cardiff City. These are seriously dangerous people who all have an appetite for involvement in football clubs and who could well be circling like vultures over Rovers at the moment. Now is the time when steadying influences like Mike Turner of Taylor Wessing are needed but Wael dispensed with all of those in favour of the yes men whom he is now throwing under the bus. We have seen the outcome when other clubs invited in these type of characters and thought to ourselves “ it could never happen here”. But it could.
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Post by droitwichgas on May 3, 2021 7:02:08 GMT
I find it interesting a manager heavily connected with dodgy(?) football agents has manage to destroy the playing squad to such an extent that it now requires a total overall, just how much money will agents make out of all these new incoming players?
It was also suggested in Clint Hill's post match interview that 3 players choose not to play yesterday, one of them being Jaakola, does that suggest he's off as well and will need replacing?
I guess the thought B***** & co could make a financial killing at Rovers perhaps explains why they are all prepared to live away from home, and why Jennings is seemingly even prepared to do it for free, as there seems no real logic to it on just footballing grounds.
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Post by chelt_gas on May 3, 2021 11:33:43 GMT
It's questionable why Wael puts so much trust in B***** to overhaul both on-field and off-field staff. B*****'s personal and professional life is beset with controversy. B***** hasn't the blueprint for managerial success so why put so much trust in him? Does he acknowledge he's also gambling with the relationship of many a gashead by going down such a questionable route? If there is an ulterior motive what does he gain when the mystery is revealed?
At least we can sit back and watch the car crash with some pop corn and a few beers.
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Post by eppinggas on May 3, 2021 14:17:24 GMT
What's wrong with B***** and his associates? I can't recall any doing time for fraud or embezzlement etc? Just to add to SG's fantasy, how about B***** and his associates realised that buying into a L2 club would be a lot cheaper than buying a share in a L1 club, so caused such disharmony at the club following his arrival it led to our relegation. I’m sorry to read that post DG. No problem with calling me a fantasist I’m used to that and I know you mean no malice with it but the question about B*****’s associates ? Presumably you have read up on the pair of Vaughans and are aware they are violent criminals who have destroyed football clubs but google Curtis Warren Gangster as well for more gory detail. And we know about B*****’s best mate Andrew Taylor who killed a policeman and for whom Eddy Jennings gave a character reference. But have you forgotten his long time associate Willie McKay who is currently on bail and facing a fraud trial in June ? He was also given a police harassment warning for threatening to kill everyone at Cardiff City. These are seriously dangerous people who all have an appetite for involvement in football clubs and who could well be circling like vultures over Rovers at the moment. Now is the time when steadying influences like Mike Turner of Taylor Wessing are needed but Wael dispensed with all of those in favour of the yes men whom he is now throwing under the bus. We have seen the outcome when other clubs invited in these type of characters and thought to ourselves “ it could never happen here”. But it could. I presume that's enough for you droitwich. Where is vaughan? He likes to portray Mr B***** as a 'pantomime villain' in the Neil Warnock mode. Hence the sign off with a #boohiss. The problem I have, and many others have, is that it looks like once you drop the 'pantomime' part of 'pantomime villain', that looks about right.
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Post by irenestoyboy on May 3, 2021 22:20:21 GMT
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Now is the time when steadying influences like Mike Turner of Taylor Wessing are needed but Wael dispensed with all of those in favour of the yes men whom he is now throwing under the bus. We have seen the outcome when other clubs invited in these type of characters and thought to ourselves “ it could never happen here”. But it could.[/quote]
Well you can thank a senior member of the presidents club for that.
As usual went around shooting his mouth off and combined that with a lynch mob at the previous AGM where he was treated with utter disdain and disrespect he decided to pack it in. And I’m not sure if I could blame him either.
The Jurassic element to this fanbase that crave to be ITK pretty much destroy anything that has a sign of good to it as they can’t bare the fact they are no longer involved or listened to.
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Post by a more piratey game on May 3, 2021 22:36:35 GMT
[. Now is the time when steadying influences like Mike Turner of Taylor Wessing are needed but Wael dispensed with all of those in favour of the yes men whom he is now throwing under the bus. We have seen the outcome when other clubs invited in these type of characters and thought to ourselves “ it could never happen here”. But it could. Well you can thank a senior member of the presidents club for that. [/quote] have you any idea how many people are in that club - knowall goes all sheepish whenever he is asked (which is quite regularly)? Your post seems to imply that there are at least 2
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Post by vaughan on May 4, 2021 14:24:44 GMT
I’m sorry to read that post DG. No problem with calling me a fantasist I’m used to that and I know you mean no malice with it but the question about B*****’s associates ? Presumably you have read up on the pair of Vaughans and are aware they are violent criminals who have destroyed football clubs but google Curtis Warren Gangster as well for more gory detail. And we know about B*****’s best mate Andrew Taylor who killed a policeman and for whom Eddy Jennings gave a character reference. But have you forgotten his long time associate Willie McKay who is currently on bail and facing a fraud trial in June ? He was also given a police harassment warning for threatening to kill everyone at Cardiff City. These are seriously dangerous people who all have an appetite for involvement in football clubs and who could well be circling like vultures over Rovers at the moment. Now is the time when steadying influences like Mike Turner of Taylor Wessing are needed but Wael dispensed with all of those in favour of the yes men whom he is now throwing under the bus. We have seen the outcome when other clubs invited in these type of characters and thought to ourselves “ it could never happen here”. But it could. I presume that's enough for you droitwich. Where is vaughan? He likes to portray Mr B***** as a 'pantomime villain' in the Neil Warnock mode. Hence the sign off with a #boohiss. The problem I have, and many others have, is that it looks like once you drop the 'pantomime' part of 'pantomime villain', that looks about right. Sorry, I have been down the fing church. I see what you did there with "pantomime villain".
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Post by Colyton Gas. on May 8, 2021 16:05:46 GMT
FGR, Newport,Cambridge,Morecambe,Cheltenham could all be playing in a higher Division than us next season.Sercs scored again to promote Cheltenham.Big mistake letting him go.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2021 16:18:55 GMT
FGR, Newport,Cambridge,Morecambe,Cheltenham could all be playing in a higher Division than us next season.Sercs scored again to promote Cheltenham.Big mistake letting him go. Cheltenham Town, pit of a ground, couple of thousand supporters, now above Bristol Rovers, who are based in a catchment area of a million people with only 2 professional football clubs. Tells you everything you need to know. The warning was there with this complete farce of an experiment when Garner delivered relegation form last season, did Wael learn? Nope, he just doubled down on the mistake by letting the best players go and replacing them with rubbish, then trebbled down on it by refusing to listen to Tisdale when he was told that these players couldn't be taken any further, then quadrupled down on it by bringing in a manager who made the results even worse. How anybody thinks he's suddenly going to swing from that to plotting a calculated route out of the 4th division, well, you tell me. Something similar has happened to 1982, they've had relegation form since they changed their manager this season. Hands up everybody who thinks for 1 second that they'll start the next season with the same bloke in charge, with all of the senior pros gone and with a weaker squad?
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Post by matealotblue on May 8, 2021 16:23:38 GMT
FGR, Newport,Cambridge,Morecambe,Cheltenham could all be playing in a higher Division than us next season.Sercs scored again to promote Cheltenham.Big mistake letting him go. Cheltenham Town, pit of a ground, couple of thousand supporters, now above Bristol Rovers, who are based in a catchment area of a million people with only 2 professional football clubs. Tells you everything you need to know. The warning was there with this complete farce of an experiment when Garner delivered relegation form last season, did Wael learn? Nope, he just doubled down on the mistake by letting the best players go and replacing them with rubbish, then trebbled down on it by refusing to listen to Tisdale when he was told that these players couldn't be taken any further, then quadrupled down on it by bringing in a manager who made the results even worse. How anybody thinks he's suddenly going to swing from that to plotting a calculated route out of the 4th division, well, you tell me. Something similar has happened to 1982, they've had relegation form since they changed their manager this season. Hands up everybody who thinks for 1 second that they'll start the next season with the same bloke in charge, with all of the senior pros gone and with a weaker squad? Think he signed a 3 year contract recently.....will have to see about the rest.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2021 16:34:42 GMT
Cheltenham Town, pit of a ground, couple of thousand supporters, now above Bristol Rovers, who are based in a catchment area of a million people with only 2 professional football clubs. Tells you everything you need to know. The warning was there with this complete farce of an experiment when Garner delivered relegation form last season, did Wael learn? Nope, he just doubled down on the mistake by letting the best players go and replacing them with rubbish, then trebbled down on it by refusing to listen to Tisdale when he was told that these players couldn't be taken any further, then quadrupled down on it by bringing in a manager who made the results even worse. How anybody thinks he's suddenly going to swing from that to plotting a calculated route out of the 4th division, well, you tell me. Something similar has happened to 1982, they've had relegation form since they changed their manager this season. Hands up everybody who thinks for 1 second that they'll start the next season with the same bloke in charge, with all of the senior pros gone and with a weaker squad? Think he signed a 3 year contract recently.....will have to see about the rest. When you are losing £10m a year anyway paying the 6 month notice period for a manager isn't a huge decision to make I shouldn't think. But 1982 were only mentioned for comparison, what happens to Rovers is of far more concern.
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Post by holmesgas1 on May 8, 2021 19:49:18 GMT
Cheltenham Town, pit of a ground, couple of thousand supporters, now above Bristol Rovers, who are based in a catchment area of a million people with only 2 professional football clubs. Tells you everything you need to know. The warning was there with this complete farce of an experiment when Garner delivered relegation form last season, did Wael learn? Nope, he just doubled down on the mistake by letting the best players go and replacing them with rubbish, then trebbled down on it by refusing to listen to Tisdale when he was told that these players couldn't be taken any further, then quadrupled down on it by bringing in a manager who made the results even worse. How anybody thinks he's suddenly going to swing from that to plotting a calculated route out of the 4th division, well, you tell me. Something similar has happened to 1982, they've had relegation form since they changed their manager this season. Hands up everybody who thinks for 1 second that they'll start the next season with the same bloke in charge, with all of the senior pros gone and with a weaker squad? Think he signed a 3 year contract recently.....will have to see about the rest. Yes he did sign a 3 year contract. Trouble is facts always ruin a good story... And Cheltenham getting promoted is why we love football. It does not infer that Weal is incompetent, it just shows with a bit of organisation and a decent manager, ie not Garner who wrecked us with to much change too quickly. It was Widdrington and Starnes job to slow him down. The actual vision was not bad.
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