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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2021 21:45:44 GMT
These posts are getting more and more bizarre
The link between fact, evidence, and fiction is getting awfully blurred.
Care to say why ? Or do you think it is perfectly normal for someone who has been employed by a company for less than three months to announce that he is going to conduct a strategic review of the whole business, that even before the review has been conducted he knows a large number of staff will be replaced and that neither the CEO of the company nor its owner are willing to make any comment about it ?
Your post was full of fantasy and speculation, the latter of which you even admit, but only after saying you hate to see him appear bullied like this, for which you have zero evidence.
It does you no favours at all.
At no time has there been reference to a 'strategic review of the whole business' but there is a review of the football side, as you well know and is in the public domain and referenced by the owner.
Clearly there will indeed be job losses, I would expect to be in the medical dept, coaches, possibly analyst dept. Thats obvious because on the field we have been crap, unfit, and ill prepared.
Keep going like this and you will have Bambi shifting blame to B***** instead of Gorringe when he misses the deadline for season ticket renewal.
Get a grip, this is madness
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2021 21:52:15 GMT
Thats great, you can find out by asking at the next AGM then. But you said any agreement would only available internally within Dwane ? That would be my assumption but clearly if Im wrong you can find out at the AGM, not a prob
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2021 22:07:01 GMT
It's interesting that some of you accuse the poster known as Contradiction of being a troll.
Then you troll him/her.
Odd bunch.
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Post by swissgas on May 1, 2021 22:15:06 GMT
Care to say why ? Or do you think it is perfectly normal for someone who has been employed by a company for less than three months to announce that he is going to conduct a strategic review of the whole business, that even before the review has been conducted he knows a large number of staff will be replaced and that neither the CEO of the company nor its owner are willing to make any comment about it ?
Your post was full of fantasy and speculation, the latter of which you even admit, but only after saying you hate to see him appear bullied like this, for which you have zero evidence.
It does you no favours at all.
At no time has there been reference to a 'strategic review of the whole business' but there is a review of the football side, as you well know and is in the public domain and referenced by the owner.
Clearly there will indeed be job losses, I would expect to be in the medical dept, coaches, possibly analyst dept. Thats obvious because on the field we have been crap, unfit, and ill prepared.
Keep going like this and you will have Bambi shifting blame to B***** instead of Gorringe when he misses the deadline for season ticket renewal.
Get a grip, this is madness
Ah, I see, the Colonel is only reviewing the football operation and we should just expect a bit of tinkering before next season. So there is no culture of malaise and complacency running through the whole club and no restructuring is needed. What you say makes sense, it would be madness to think there is anything at all wrong when we have constantly been told that off the field Rovers have never been in better shape. And Martyn is probably quite content to leave all the football stuff to Joey because, as Wael says, he is on another planet.
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Post by kingswood Polak on May 1, 2021 22:41:41 GMT
Lord knows as offshore companies are nigh on impossible to find out anything about and I know there are several branches of DWANE. You misunderstand me.
You say BRFC pick up the cost of the training ground rather than Dwane. But BRFC are owned by......Dwane.
So its irrelevent, its an inter company accounting adjustment.
Not really, None of us know where the money comes from. We have been given the holding company but the accounts are now abridged and this charge is supposedly a rolling credit facility. None of us know
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Post by george on May 1, 2021 23:19:55 GMT
Well my definition is someone who is a fan of Rovers and attends matches when possible. Fair enough. That's me OUT then by your definition. In mitigation I would like to put forward spending the last 30 years making regular 300 mile round trips to Bristol to watch Rovers, a Club I used to have a great affinity with. On February 22nd 2021 the Club made a catastrophic decision in appointing Mr B*****. I lost that affinity. I lost all faith in Wael & the Board. On principle I will not spend any money on Bristol Rovers. When Mr B***** is shown the door, I will probably be back. If that's OK with you. Lots of love, Rovers supporter in purgatory. From what your saying though is that you still followed Rovers when we appointed that big headed fraud known as Paul Buckle then. Words fail me.
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Post by kingswood Polak on May 2, 2021 6:46:35 GMT
Fair enough. That's me OUT then by your definition. In mitigation I would like to put forward spending the last 30 years making regular 300 mile round trips to Bristol to watch Rovers, a Club I used to have a great affinity with. On February 22nd 2021 the Club made a catastrophic decision in appointing Mr B*****. I lost that affinity. I lost all faith in Wael & the Board. On principle I will not spend any money on Bristol Rovers. When Mr B***** is shown the door, I will probably be back. If that's OK with you. Lots of love, Rovers supporter in purgatory. From what your saying though is that you still followed Rovers when we appointed that big headed fraud known as Paul Buckle then. Words fail me. As did most of us george.
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Post by eppinggas on May 2, 2021 8:48:01 GMT
Fair enough. That's me OUT then by your definition. In mitigation I would like to put forward spending the last 30 years making regular 300 mile round trips to Bristol to watch Rovers, a Club I used to have a great affinity with. On February 22nd 2021 the Club made a catastrophic decision in appointing Mr B*****. I lost that affinity. I lost all faith in Wael & the Board. On principle I will not spend any money on Bristol Rovers. When Mr B***** is shown the door, I will probably be back. If that's OK with you. Lots of love, Rovers supporter in purgatory. From what your saying though is that you still followed Rovers when we appointed that big headed fraud known as Paul Buckle then. Words fail me. Yup. I backed Buckle to succeed, as did a vast majority of supporters when he was appointed. It obviously didn't work out for Buckle. I'm not sure why words fail you.
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Post by eppinggas on May 2, 2021 8:56:30 GMT
I think there are plenty of people who for egotistical and power play reasons would like to be involved with a professional football club but may not be able to satisfy the EFL ownership criteria. If Wael was confronted with a blueprint which he didn’t want to go through with, instead of standing strong and just saying no, he might be tempted to use lack of finance as an excuse. And if the manager and his associates really were on a power grab, and were well prepared, they would be ready to immediately counter with “ OK in that case we’ll provide the money to finance our plan”. This would put Wael in a very difficult position and so, knowing the stress he must be under, he might back down and go through with it which would be a catastrophic decision for him and for Rovers. As much as I may criticise Wael’s leadership and bad decision making I hate to see him appear to be bullied like this. And although the theory is very much speculation I don’t think it is without foundation. These posts are getting more and more bizarre The link between fact, evidence, and fiction is getting awfully blurred. On the contrary contradiction. Swiss has every right to express his opinion and is very careful not to present his opinion as fact. Above he paints a scenario. And he clearly states it is very much speculation. His scrutiny of the balance sheet and analysis of the business is meticulous. His opinion is based on these numbers, and these numbers are fact. You Sir, also have every right to express your opinion. If you have time. Because I know you're terribly busy. Happy Sunday.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2021 9:55:37 GMT
Fair enough. That's me OUT then by your definition. In mitigation I would like to put forward spending the last 30 years making regular 300 mile round trips to Bristol to watch Rovers, a Club I used to have a great affinity with. On February 22nd 2021 the Club made a catastrophic decision in appointing Mr B*****. I lost that affinity. I lost all faith in Wael & the Board. On principle I will not spend any money on Bristol Rovers. When Mr B***** is shown the door, I will probably be back. If that's OK with you. Lots of love, Rovers supporter in purgatory. From what your saying though is that you still followed Rovers when we appointed that big headed fraud known as Paul Buckle then. Words fail me. Just spent a couple of minutes on Google looking for criminal convictions and assaults associated with Buckle, not coming up with much at the moment. And he did at least have one short period of success as a manager on his CV, unlike Punchy, who so far has spent many millions at Fleetwood to get them nowhere and has taken Rovers from outside of a relegation position to rock bottom and the first club in the division to have their relegation confirmed. Have to say though, there's a strong argument that Buckle's use of fake tan was criminal, so you may have a point...
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2021 10:02:48 GMT
These posts are getting more and more bizarre The link between fact, evidence, and fiction is getting awfully blurred. On the contrary contradiction. Swiss has every right to express his opinion and is very careful not to present his opinion as fact. Above he paints a scenario. And he clearly states it is very much speculation. His scrutiny of the balance sheet and analysis of the business is meticulous. His opinion is based on these numbers, and these numbers are fact. You Sir, also have every right to express your opinion. If you have time. Because I know you're terribly busy. Happy Sunday. Hope you are enjoying your sunday too Epping.
I agree, there is nothing stopping people posting speculative nonsence.
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Post by warehamgas on May 2, 2021 10:25:38 GMT
Fair enough. That's me OUT then by your definition. In mitigation I would like to put forward spending the last 30 years making regular 300 mile round trips to Bristol to watch Rovers, a Club I used to have a great affinity with. On February 22nd 2021 the Club made a catastrophic decision in appointing Mr B*****. I lost that affinity. I lost all faith in Wael & the Board. On principle I will not spend any money on Bristol Rovers. When Mr B***** is shown the door, I will probably be back. If that's OK with you. Lots of love, Rovers supporter in purgatory. From what your saying though is that you still followed Rovers when we appointed that big headed fraud known as Paul Buckle then. Words fail me. Come on george, if you can’t see the difference between Buckle and JB with his record then you’re being a tad disengenuous. Buckle wasn’t a fraud just a useless manager who was soon gone. JB is a far different character with a very different record. UTG!
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2021 10:47:13 GMT
You misunderstand me.
You say BRFC pick up the cost of the training ground rather than Dwane. But BRFC are owned by......Dwane.
So its irrelevent, its an inter company accounting adjustment.
Not really, None of us know where the money comes from. We have been given the holding company but the accounts are now abridged and this charge is supposedly a rolling credit facility. None of us know KP, think of it as if you had 2 or 3 bank accounts, one a/c for KP gas & utilitiess etc, one a/c for KP entertainment, etc
But how you settle a bill that comes in is up to you, you may transfer some money between accounts perhaps. But the bill is always settled by KP in some form or another
Now think of KP as being 'Dwane' instead
The bill in this case is always settled by Wael (Dwane) be it Training Ground cost, player wages or whatever, its all under the same umbrella.
Its a red herring
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Post by trymer on May 2, 2021 10:53:40 GMT
Not really, None of us know where the money comes from. We have been given the holding company but the accounts are now abridged and this charge is supposedly a rolling credit facility. None of us know KP, think of it as if you had 2 or 3 bank accounts, one a/c for KP gas & utilitiess etc, one a/c for KP entertainment, etc
But how you settle a bill that comes in is up to you, you may transfer some money between accounts perhaps. But the bill is always settled by KP in some form or another
Now think of KP as being 'Dwane' instead
The bill in this case is always settled by Wael (Dwane) be it Training Ground cost, player wages or whatever, its all under the same umbrella.
Its a red herring
So why the charge against the stadium ? For the same reason as the field at Almondsbury is owned by Dwane and not by Rovers, its so that if Rovers go bust Dwane get to keep (and sell) the assets.
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Post by trymer on May 2, 2021 10:56:01 GMT
It's interesting that some of you accuse the poster known as Contradiction of being a troll. Then you troll him/her. Odd bunch. I dont think that he's being trolled,he has come here making posts and questioning other peoples posts,surely others can question his posts ? seems to me thats the purpose of a forum.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2021 11:06:25 GMT
KP, think of it as if you had 2 or 3 bank accounts, one a/c for KP gas & utilitiess etc, one a/c for KP entertainment, etc
But how you settle a bill that comes in is up to you, you may transfer some money between accounts perhaps. But the bill is always settled by KP in some form or another
Now think of KP as being 'Dwane' instead
The bill in this case is always settled by Wael (Dwane) be it Training Ground cost, player wages or whatever, its all under the same umbrella.
Its a red herring
So why the charge against the stadium ? For the same reason as the field at Almondsbury is owned by Dwane and not by Rovers, its so that if Rovers go bust Dwane get to keep (and sell) the assets. Because thats standard practice, certainly within football, and makes it quicker and easier to manage/increase funds with the various banks.
Its exactly the same over as Ashton - Lansdown has had various charges on the stadium over the years. Bristol City Ltd, Ashton Gate ltd, Bristol City Holding ltd, Ashton Gate Holdings ltd, they have been carved up all over the place. He is a billionaire and still did it. Its pretty standard practice.
Its another red herring with the intention of getting people to question the integrity of the owners
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Post by trymer on May 2, 2021 11:11:51 GMT
So why the charge against the stadium ? For the same reason as the field at Almondsbury is owned by Dwane and not by Rovers, its so that if Rovers go bust Dwane get to keep (and sell) the assets. Because thats standard practice, certainly within football, and makes it quicker and easier to manage/increase funds with the various banks.
Its exactly the same over as Ashton - Lansdown has had various charges on the stadium over the years. Bristol City Ltd, Ashton Gate ltd, Bristol City Holding ltd, Ashton Gate Holdings ltd, they have been carved up all over the place. He is a billionaire and still did it. Its pretty standard practice.
Its another red herring with the intention of getting people to question the integrity of the owners
I think that the red herring here is comparing Lansdown to waq, Lansdown has built a premiership ground at AG,waq has erected a tent !
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Post by eppinggas on May 2, 2021 12:29:52 GMT
Because thats standard practice, certainly within football, and makes it quicker and easier to manage/increase funds with the various banks.
Its exactly the same over as Ashton - Lansdown has had various charges on the stadium over the years. Bristol City Ltd, Ashton Gate ltd, Bristol City Holding ltd, Ashton Gate Holdings ltd, they have been carved up all over the place. He is a billionaire and still did it. Its pretty standard practice.
Its another red herring with the intention of getting people to question the integrity of the owners
I think that the red herring here is comparing Lansdown to waq, Lansdown has built a premiership ground at AG,waq has erected a tent ! Nail on head Sir. Premiership-ready football stadium vs a tented village. Steve Lansdown is a self-made billionaire and proven businessman. He can afford to pump money into the sh*t south of the river. Rich man's play thing? Possibly, he can afford it. Wael Al-Qadi is not a proven businessman. His track record of losses at Bristol Rovers speaks for itself. I'm pretty sure contradiction will counter with something that suggests he is a creditable businessman. I look forward to reading it.
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Post by kingswood Polak on May 2, 2021 13:01:38 GMT
KP, think of it as if you had 2 or 3 bank accounts, one a/c for KP gas & utilitiess etc, one a/c for KP entertainment, etc
But how you settle a bill that comes in is up to you, you may transfer some money between accounts perhaps. But the bill is always settled by KP in some form or another
Now think of KP as being 'Dwane' instead
The bill in this case is always settled by Wael (Dwane) be it Training Ground cost, player wages or whatever, its all under the same umbrella.
Its a red herring
So why the charge against the stadium ? For the same reason as the field at Almondsbury is owned by Dwane and not by Rovers, its so that if Rovers go bust Dwane get to keep (and sell) the assets. Unfortunately that is the case, whatever way it is spun. We are owned by Wael and he has sole control. He can, literally, do as he wishes. I find this very worrying but others seem to think it’s fine. I guess it’s up to each, to make their own mind up. I see it as a potential disaster but that’s just my opinion
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Post by kingswood Polak on May 2, 2021 13:05:11 GMT
Because thats standard practice, certainly within football, and makes it quicker and easier to manage/increase funds with the various banks.
Its exactly the same over as Ashton - Lansdown has had various charges on the stadium over the years. Bristol City Ltd, Ashton Gate ltd, Bristol City Holding ltd, Ashton Gate Holdings ltd, they have been carved up all over the place. He is a billionaire and still did it. Its pretty standard practice.
Its another red herring with the intention of getting people to question the integrity of the owners
I think that the red herring here is comparing Lansdown to waq, Lansdown has built a premiership ground at AG,waq has erected a tent ! Nail on the head. We have had promises but SL has acted. There is absolutely no comparison to be made. I’d like to know of any other EFL club whose owners have placed a charge on property they already own. @contradiction. Can you maybe tell me if there are any such clubs, please ?
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