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Post by kingswood Polak on May 1, 2021 14:42:44 GMT
Re JB, I would suggest people judge him purely on what he does for BRFC - the same as any other manager has been over the years.
He has to deliver.
And if its really eating away at them they read up on 'emotional intelligence' and see if that helps them
As things currently stand JB is heading for the worst results record of any Rovers manager. Cue smashie and nicey, on radio quiet, playing you ain’t seen nothing yet 😂😂
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2021 16:11:59 GMT
It gets better. So now you are sole arbiter of what criteria people are allowed to use to make judgements on whether someone is an appropriate appointment to a position where they represent Rovers, and if someone does disagree they lack emotional intelligence. Charmed I'm sure. He is entertaining though or is it just me ? I think he's serious. What do you reckon?
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Post by swissgas on May 1, 2021 16:27:17 GMT
When B***** as manager was first mooted in February I suggested it may end up as a disguised takeover.
If that hypothesis is correct the next step could be B***** boasting about how he is “ putting his money where his mouth is” by making a financial contribution towards the great reset. If that happens it may be quickly followed by a new first charge at Companies House to secure the funding provided by B***** and his associates.
Speculation ? Scaremongering ? Maybe, but haven’t we already heard the first call of the cuckoo ?
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Post by kingswood Polak on May 1, 2021 17:19:32 GMT
He is entertaining though or is it just me ? I think he's serious. What do you reckon? Oh hell yes
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2021 18:14:11 GMT
This (non)debate still going on? Really?
Its because its irelevant. All are owned by the same party (Dwain), its simply an inter company accounting adjustment.
This has been done to death
It’s DWANE , my understanding is that the expense is being added to BRFC 1883.
Who are owned by........
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Post by a more piratey game on May 1, 2021 18:24:14 GMT
When B***** as manager was first mooted in February I suggested it may end up as a disguised takeover. If that hypothesis is correct the next step could be B***** boasting about how he is “ putting his money where his mouth is” by making a financial contribution towards the great reset. If that happens it may be quickly followed by a new first charge at Companies House to secure the funding provided by B***** and his associates. Speculation ? Scaremongering ? Maybe, but haven’t we already heard the first call of the cuckoo ? tis an interesting theory swiss. With what motive - I can't see it as a money-spinner, and I'm not sure whose ego it would particularly appeal to?
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2021 18:34:30 GMT
It’s DWANE , my understanding is that the expense is being added to BRFC 1883.
Who are owned by........
The club used to be something like 8% owned by us. No idea what pitiful percentage our investment has been whittled down to now.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2021 18:38:37 GMT
When B***** as manager was first mooted in February I suggested it may end up as a disguised takeover. If that hypothesis is correct the next step could be B***** boasting about how he is “ putting his money where his mouth is” by making a financial contribution towards the great reset. If that happens it may be quickly followed by a new first charge at Companies House to secure the funding provided by B***** and his associates. Speculation ? Scaremongering ? Maybe, but haven’t we already heard the first call of the cuckoo ? tis an interesting theory swiss. With what motive - I can't see it as a money-spinner, and I'm not sure whose ego it would particularly appeal to? The Scouse version of Salford.
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Post by a more piratey game on May 1, 2021 18:42:27 GMT
tis an interesting theory swiss. With what motive - I can't see it as a money-spinner, and I'm not sure whose ego it would particularly appeal to? The Scouse version of Salford. is Tranny though?
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Post by kingswood Polak on May 1, 2021 19:34:12 GMT
It’s DWANE , my understanding is that the expense is being added to BRFC 1883.
Who are owned by........
Lord knows as offshore companies are nigh on impossible to find out anything about and I know there are several branches of DWANE.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2021 19:40:05 GMT
Lord knows as offshore companies are nigh on impossible to find out anything about and I know there are several branches of DWANE. You misunderstand me.
You say BRFC pick up the cost of the training ground rather than Dwane. But BRFC are owned by......Dwane.
So its irrelevent, its an inter company accounting adjustment.
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Post by swissgas on May 1, 2021 20:27:39 GMT
Lord knows as offshore companies are nigh on impossible to find out anything about and I know there are several branches of DWANE. You misunderstand me.
You say BRFC pick up the cost of the training ground rather than Dwane. But BRFC are owned by......Dwane.
So its irrelevent, its an inter company accounting adjustment.
BRFC Ltd is owned by BRFC1883 Ltd which is 92+% owned by Dwane Sports Ltd The training ground is owned by a completely separate company called Dwane Colony Ltd. The beneficial owners of Dwane Colony Ltd may be the same as the beneficial owners of Dwane Sports Ltd but with both companies being registered in Jersey there is no way of verifying this. Do you know whether there is a formal agreement between Dwane Colony Ltd and the two BRFC companies that sets out which assets are owned by which company, the financial obligations of each company to each other and what would happen if one of the companies were to go out of business ?
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Post by eppinggas on May 1, 2021 20:37:45 GMT
As things currently stand JB is heading for the worst results record of any Rovers manager. Cue smashie and nicey, on radio quiet, playing you ain’t seen nothing yet 😂😂 When they moved to Radio Quiet, they played the "Simon Brotherton light orchestra" version rather than the Bachmann-Turner Overdrive original. But it's not "Simon Brotherton". I've lost an hour of my life trying to find the correct name.
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Post by swissgas on May 1, 2021 21:00:36 GMT
When B***** as manager was first mooted in February I suggested it may end up as a disguised takeover. If that hypothesis is correct the next step could be B***** boasting about how he is “ putting his money where his mouth is” by making a financial contribution towards the great reset. If that happens it may be quickly followed by a new first charge at Companies House to secure the funding provided by B***** and his associates. Speculation ? Scaremongering ? Maybe, but haven’t we already heard the first call of the cuckoo ? tis an interesting theory swiss. With what motive - I can't see it as a money-spinner, and I'm not sure whose ego it would particularly appeal to? I think there are plenty of people who for egotistical and power play reasons would like to be involved with a professional football club but may not be able to satisfy the EFL ownership criteria. If Wael was confronted with a blueprint which he didn’t want to go through with, instead of standing strong and just saying no, he might be tempted to use lack of finance as an excuse. And if the manager and his associates really were on a power grab, and were well prepared, they would be ready to immediately counter with “ OK in that case we’ll provide the money to finance our plan”. This would put Wael in a very difficult position and so, knowing the stress he must be under, he might back down and go through with it which would be a catastrophic decision for him and for Rovers. As much as I may criticise Wael’s leadership and bad decision making I hate to see him appear to be bullied like this. And although the theory is very much speculation I don’t think it is without foundation.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2021 21:14:21 GMT
You misunderstand me.
You say BRFC pick up the cost of the training ground rather than Dwane. But BRFC are owned by......Dwane.
So its irrelevent, its an inter company accounting adjustment.
BRFC Ltd is owned by BRFC1883 Ltd which is 92+% owned by Dwane Sports Ltd The training ground is owned by a completely separate company called Dwane Colony Ltd. The beneficial owners of Dwane Colony Ltd may be the same as the beneficial owners of Dwane Sports Ltd but with both companies being registered in Jersey there is no way of verifying this. Do you know whether there is a formal agreement between Dwane Colony Ltd and the two BRFC companies that sets out which assets are owned by which company, the financial obligations of each company to each other and what would happen if one of the companies were to go out of business ? That would only be available internally within Dwane, as you well know.
Similar to any document between The Memorial Stadium Co and BRFC all those years ago when we first took over the Mem, for 'rent' even through they were the same people and we were paying 'rent' to ourselves.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2021 21:25:44 GMT
tis an interesting theory swiss. With what motive - I can't see it as a money-spinner, and I'm not sure whose ego it would particularly appeal to? I think there are plenty of people who for egotistical and power play reasons would like to be involved with a professional football club but may not be able to satisfy the EFL ownership criteria. If Wael was confronted with a blueprint which he didn’t want to go through with, instead of standing strong and just saying no, he might be tempted to use lack of finance as an excuse. And if the manager and his associates really were on a power grab, and were well prepared, they would be ready to immediately counter with “ OK in that case we’ll provide the money to finance our plan”. This would put Wael in a very difficult position and so, knowing the stress he must be under, he might back down and go through with it which would be a catastrophic decision for him and for Rovers. As much as I may criticise Wael’s leadership and bad decision making I hate to see him appear to be bullied like this. And although the theory is very much speculation I don’t think it is without foundation. These posts are getting more and more bizarre
The link between fact, evidence, and fiction is getting awfully blurred.
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Post by swissgas on May 1, 2021 21:27:29 GMT
BRFC Ltd is owned by BRFC1883 Ltd which is 92+% owned by Dwane Sports Ltd The training ground is owned by a completely separate company called Dwane Colony Ltd. The beneficial owners of Dwane Colony Ltd may be the same as the beneficial owners of Dwane Sports Ltd but with both companies being registered in Jersey there is no way of verifying this. Do you know whether there is a formal agreement between Dwane Colony Ltd and the two BRFC companies that sets out which assets are owned by which company, the financial obligations of each company to each other and what would happen if one of the companies were to go out of business ? That would only be available internally within Dwane, as you well know.
Similar to any document between The Memorial Stadium Co and BRFC all those years ago when we first took over the Mem, for 'rent' even through they were the same people and we were paying 'rent' to ourselves.
Why would a formal agreement between Dwane Colony Ltd and BRFC1883 Ltd only be available internally within Dwane ? I’m a shareholder in BRFC1883 Ltd and a fan of BRFC so would be interested to know whether such an agreement exists because IMO one is necessary to protect the interests of BRFC1883 Ltd and BRFC.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2021 21:29:48 GMT
That would only be available internally within Dwane, as you well know.
Similar to any document between The Memorial Stadium Co and BRFC all those years ago when we first took over the Mem, for 'rent' even through they were the same people and we were paying 'rent' to ourselves.
Why would a formal agreement between Dwane Colony Ltd and BRFC1883 Ltd only be available internally within Dwane ? I’m a shareholder in BRFC1883 Ltd and a fan of BRFC so would be interested to know whether such an agreement exists because IMO one is necessary to protect the interests of BRFC1883 Ltd and BRFC. Thats great, you can find out by asking at the next AGM then.
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Post by swissgas on May 1, 2021 21:34:56 GMT
I think there are plenty of people who for egotistical and power play reasons would like to be involved with a professional football club but may not be able to satisfy the EFL ownership criteria. If Wael was confronted with a blueprint which he didn’t want to go through with, instead of standing strong and just saying no, he might be tempted to use lack of finance as an excuse. And if the manager and his associates really were on a power grab, and were well prepared, they would be ready to immediately counter with “ OK in that case we’ll provide the money to finance our plan”. This would put Wael in a very difficult position and so, knowing the stress he must be under, he might back down and go through with it which would be a catastrophic decision for him and for Rovers. As much as I may criticise Wael’s leadership and bad decision making I hate to see him appear to be bullied like this. And although the theory is very much speculation I don’t think it is without foundation. These posts are getting more and more bizarre
The link between fact, evidence, and fiction is getting awfully blurred.
Care to say why ? Or do you think it is perfectly normal for someone who has been employed by a company for less than three months to announce that he is going to conduct a strategic review of the whole business, that even before the review has been conducted he knows a large number of staff will be replaced and that neither the CEO of the company nor its owner are willing to make any comment about it ?
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Post by swissgas on May 1, 2021 21:36:22 GMT
Why would a formal agreement between Dwane Colony Ltd and BRFC1883 Ltd only be available internally within Dwane ? I’m a shareholder in BRFC1883 Ltd and a fan of BRFC so would be interested to know whether such an agreement exists because IMO one is necessary to protect the interests of BRFC1883 Ltd and BRFC. Thats great, you can find out by asking at the next AGM then. But you said any agreement would only available internally within Dwane ?
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