kingswood Polak
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Post by kingswood Polak on Apr 30, 2021 21:09:07 GMT
How about being a bit more specific. Which point of view that KP has presented as fact, which is actually opinion, would you like to challenge? Now come on, at least try and keep straight face.
Remember, KP said I was a spy planted by Wael - Based on me challenging Swiss' repetetive and disrespectful attacks on the owners and the Rovers fanbase, and refusing to follow the party line.
#BooHiss
Not even close to what I wrote. I never used the word spy but I did say the syntax of your posts gives you away 😂👍🏻
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Post by george on Apr 30, 2021 21:19:12 GMT
Reading comments like this -- I firmly believe at least half the people on this forum are not Rovers fans at all. Just because we don’t go along with the mob. We question but based on fact and don’t just blindly follow. Wake up mate With regards to going along with the mob -- I beg to differ as a lot of people on this particular forum seem to be always having a moan or a dig with regards to the current management structure at Rovers. So I wonder who this mob as you say are ? And for your own piece of mind I'm not asleep -- So the comment of " Wake up mate " is not warranted.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2021 21:23:29 GMT
Now come on, at least try and keep straight face.
Remember, KP said I was a spy planted by Wael - Based on me challenging Swiss' repetetive and disrespectful attacks on the owners and the Rovers fanbase, and refusing to follow the party line.
#BooHiss
Not even close to what I wrote. I never used the word spy but I did say the syntax of your posts gives you away 😂👍🏻 What the hell does 'syntax of my posts' mean ?
On second thoughts, dont bother.
Is George supposed to have a hotline to Wael too, just because he doesnt slag off all and sundry? Or maybe he is restricted to Starnes because he hasnt posted much.
Its a bloody minor internet forum for christ sake, representing a tiny proportion of the fanbase, Wael will be more interested in the resut of the snooker at the Crucible than what a small group of angry and bitter middle aged people think on this forum
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2021 21:32:51 GMT
Now come on, at least try and keep straight face.
Remember, KP said I was a spy planted by Wael - Based on me challenging Swiss' repetetive and disrespectful attacks on the owners and the Rovers fanbase, and refusing to follow the party line.
#BooHiss
Where to start with this silliness. Respect is earned. Swiss may cover the same ground multiple times, but that would be because the accounts are a complete mess in terms of losses every time they are published, and in case you haven't noticed, under his watch all of the upwards inertia he inherited, which is a precious commodity in professional football, has been squandered and we are now many millions of pounds worse off and a L2 club again, and are still stuck in a dump of a ground. So it looks as if the bad done at this stage significantly outweighs any good. I don't know, maybe you are one of the club sycophants who scuttles off and tells on us naughty people who say mean things, can't say I care that much. But just to put that single point to bed once and for all, have you got a link to the post where KP stated as a fact that he knew that you were 'a Wael spy' please? Christ you can say that again.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2021 21:37:35 GMT
Where to start with this silliness. Respect is earned. Swiss may cover the same ground multiple times, but that would be because the accounts are a complete mess in terms of losses every time they are published, and in case you haven't noticed, under his watch all of the upwards inertia he inherited, which is a precious commodity in professional football, has been squandered and we are now many millions of pounds worse off and a L2 club again, and are still stuck in a dump of a ground. So it looks as if the bad done at this stage significantly outweighs any good. I don't know, maybe you are one of the club sycophants who scuttles off and tells on us naughty people who say mean things, can't say I care that much. But just to put that single point to bed once and for all, have you got a link to the post where KP stated as a fact that he knew that you were 'a Wael spy' please? Christ you can say that again.
I'm not Christ. You've paid no attention whatsoever, I'm in the corner with Dawkings and Dilahunty.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2021 21:40:52 GMT
Now come on, at least try and keep straight face.
Remember, KP said I was a spy planted by Wael - Based on me challenging Swiss' repetetive and disrespectful attacks on the owners and the Rovers fanbase, and refusing to follow the party line.
#BooHiss
Where to start with this silliness. Respect is earned. Swiss may cover the same ground multiple times, but that would be because the accounts are a complete mess in terms of losses every time they are published, and in case you haven't noticed, under his watch all of the upwards inertia he inherited, which is a precious commodity in professional football, has been squandered and we are now many millions of pounds worse off and a L2 club again, and are still stuck in a dump of a ground. So it looks as if the bad done at this stage significantly outweighs any good. I don't know, maybe you are one of the club sycophants who scuttles off and tells on us naughty people who say mean things, can't say I care that much. But just to put that single point to bed once and for all, have you got a link to the post where KP stated as a fact that he knew that you were 'a Wael spy' please? Are you referring to the Wonga Loan? The Sainsbury farce?
The 1960's marketing and commercial set up? The On line web sales that didnt exist? The wonderful training facilities at Cribbs? Or the Mem pitch that made Weston beach look like a better playing surface?
Fantastic upwards intertia squandered definately.
All of that brilliant upwards inertia
Priceless.
But If you want to find someone with £20m and who are happy to fund £3m or £4m the annual losses I will be right behind you
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2021 22:09:29 GMT
Where to start with this silliness. Respect is earned. Swiss may cover the same ground multiple times, but that would be because the accounts are a complete mess in terms of losses every time they are published, and in case you haven't noticed, under his watch all of the upwards inertia he inherited, which is a precious commodity in professional football, has been squandered and we are now many millions of pounds worse off and a L2 club again, and are still stuck in a dump of a ground. So it looks as if the bad done at this stage significantly outweighs any good. I don't know, maybe you are one of the club sycophants who scuttles off and tells on us naughty people who say mean things, can't say I care that much. But just to put that single point to bed once and for all, have you got a link to the post where KP stated as a fact that he knew that you were 'a Wael spy' please? Are you referring to the Wonga Loan? The Sainsbury farce?
The 1960's marketing and commercial set up? The On line web sales that didnt exist? The wonderful training facilities at Cribbs? Or the Mem pitch that made Weston beach look like a better playing surface?
Fantastic upwards intertia squandered definately.
All of that brilliant upwards inertia
Priceless.
But If you want to find someone with £20m and who are happy to fund £3m or £4m the annual losses I will be right behind you
This level of denial is quite difficult to take seriously, but I'll give the benefit of doubt and assume that you mean what you've written here. Firstly, it appears that you don't think you know what inertia means, but compared to the rest of the rot you've written, that's a minor detail. Remember when the pitch was a total mess, one of Wael's staff was asked to put the job of getting it sorting it out to tender, guess who he recommended the contract went to? The exact same people that messed it up in the first place. What was the issue with the MSP loan, was it that it was secured against the stadium. Yea, that would be a disaster wouldn't it, to have the stadium used as security in that way for a huge sum like £2.6m... Whose fault is it that the losses are so large? I'm glad you've brought Gorringe up. Mintbet ring any bells? Were you there on the evening when his ticketing system went into full meltdown and people were sent from the ticket office to the turnstiles where stewards walked up and down the queue collecting cash and were walking round with more than they could hold so were shoving it in pockets etc, it was a total farce. Now, let's have some figures before we give him any credit for anything. What's his departmental budget, turnover and retained profit? Oh, and when do we get confirmation that TicketMaster won't be levying a fee which will increase costs over and above today's prices for Rovers' supporters purchasing tickets via them? I agree. We should have given up with Sainsbury's long before we did and said so at the time, and got no end of criticism for doing so. You've forgotten to mention 2 promotions, which Wael inherited and that he's now dragged the name of our club into the gutter by employing B*****, and has got us relegated. And here's the thing, if Wael isn't responsible for the relegation, then he can't have the credit for the things you think he's done well, so all that's left is the monetary situation and UEW lost. Well, UWE is most certainly gone, and no other owner has ever managed to lose this much. Check Mate I'm afraid.
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Post by bondigas on Apr 30, 2021 22:25:20 GMT
Oh Contradiction, "old boy, old chap", you really do get yourself in a tizz. We all know who you are and I'm sure your blind faith will be rewarded by your master one day. All we do on this forum is debate our concerns on certain threads about the control and corporate governance of the club. We don't challenge people about their right to breed and then as a moderator remove that thread within seconds as on the other forum. Perhaps you should ask your friends Irenestoyboy and Towngas to support your views more in the debate. Remarkably, I believe we will all agree today is unique, it's the day a convicted criminal presented a blueprint to rectify the clubs appalling management and recruitment over the past 18 months and reset the club, it now appears control of the club has been conceded to B*****. I see on your forum one poster has revealed that Lt Colonel Gibson has already carried out his route and branch review. The outcome will be very interesting, along with the total disregard by the Bristol Post amongst other media outlets of the managers trial in 5 weeks time. Sacre Bleu, Mangetout, the lunatics really have taken over the asylum.
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kingswood Polak
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Post by kingswood Polak on Apr 30, 2021 23:04:07 GMT
Not even close to what I wrote. I never used the word spy but I did say the syntax of your posts gives you away 😂👍🏻 What the hell does 'syntax of my posts' mean ?
On second thoughts, dont bother.
Is George supposed to have a hotline to Wael too, just because he doesnt slag off all and sundry? Or maybe he is restricted to Starnes because he hasnt posted much.
Its a bloody minor internet forum for christ sake, representing a tiny proportion of the fanbase, Wael will be more interested in the resut of the snooker at the Crucible than what a small group of angry and bitter middle aged people think on this forum
You really don’t like being caught eh 😂 You totally misquoted me but that’s fine. You like to drop in and attempt to belittle & negate anyone with a differing opinion and even troll swissgas, this speaks more of your character than any content you offer. As for who cares, you obviously do and this post is seeing you getting agitated & angry. It’s a simple enough thing, if you don’t like different opinions then don’t read them or don’t post. Nighty night
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Post by kingswood Polak on Apr 30, 2021 23:05:35 GMT
Just because we don’t go along with the mob. We question but based on fact and don’t just blindly follow. Wake up mate With regards to going along with the mob -- I beg to differ as a lot of people on this particular forum seem to be always having a moan or a dig with regards to the current management structure at Rovers. So I wonder who this mob as you say are ? And for your own piece of mind I'm not asleep -- So the comment of " Wake up mate " is not warranted. I will leave you with this The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true.
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Post by swissgas on May 1, 2021 0:28:21 GMT
Are you a Wael and Joey worshipper or a Rovers supporter George ? First and foremost a Rovers supporter. But also support what Wael & Joey are trying to achieve. I don't doubt you are first and foremost a Rovers supporter george but giving unquestioning support to Wael over the past five years has proven to be harmful to the club. Is it sensible to continue to blindly support someone whom we know has made bad decision after bad decision and shows no sign of stopping ? Wouldn't it be better to send the message to Wael that if he is true to his word and he is going to learn from his mistakes then he should tell us how he proposes to do it ? Because if learning from his mistakes is handing the reins over to Joey B***** then I'm afraid he is likely to do even more damage. It isn't good to see anyone publicly humiliated, least of all the owner of Bristol Rovers, and yet that is what B***** has done to Wael. But Wael has set himself up for it by seeking adoration, wanting people to be grateful and paying too much attention to those who suck up to him instead of taking the bull by the horns and managing Rovers effectively. A few weeks ago some of those "grateful" people were let loose to produce a 60 second video of the training ground with the caption "progress on and off the pitch". It was a ludicrous idea, it invited comparison with BCFC and their genuinely state of the art facility and of course it has backfired completely with news leaking about the club house "cock up" and then the team's relegation. Instead of listening to the "yes men" responsible for that fiasco or shirking responsibility by handing the club over to an unstable character like B***** wouldn't it be better to seek some common sense advice and stand up to the bully ? Because the blueprint which our manager has put forward today is the exact same strategy that failed at Fleetwood and the same one which failed for Nick Higgs and Paul Buckle at Rovers. His precise words are "get better players in. simple" but we all know that means higher wages, longer contracts and bigger agents commissions and the evidence couldn't be clearer that when he got his way at Fleetwood it resulted in a tripling of their financial losses, a disappointing lack of success on the pitch and an eventual sacking. Are we really supporting Rovers by encouraging Wael to take us down that road ?
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2021 8:50:30 GMT
First and foremost a Rovers supporter. But also support what Wael & Joey are trying to achieve. I don't doubt you are first and foremost a Rovers supporter george but giving unquestioning support to Wael over the past five years has proven to be harmful to the club. Is it sensible to continue to blindly support someone whom we know has made bad decision after bad decision and shows no sign of stopping ? Wouldn't it be better to send the message to Wael that if he is true to his word and he is going to learn from his mistakes then he should tell us how he proposes to do it ? Because if learning from his mistakes is handing the reins over to Joey B***** then I'm afraid he is likely to do even more damage. It isn't good to see anyone publicly humiliated, least of all the owner of Bristol Rovers, and yet that is what B***** has done to Wael. But Wael has set himself up for it by seeking adoration, wanting people to be grateful and paying too much attention to those who suck up to him instead of taking the bull by the horns and managing Rovers effectively. A few weeks ago some of those "grateful" people were let loose to produce a 60 second video of the training ground with the caption "progress on and off the pitch". It was a ludicrous idea, it invited comparison with BCFC and their genuinely state of the art facility and of course it has backfired completely with news leaking about the club house "cock up" and then the team's relegation. Instead of listening to the "yes men" responsible for that fiasco or shirking responsibility by handing the club over to an unstable character like B***** wouldn't it be better to seek some common sense advice and stand up to the bully ? Because the blueprint which our manager has put forward today is the exact same strategy that failed at Fleetwood and the same one which failed for Nick Higgs and Paul Buckle at Rovers. His precise words are "get better players in. simple" but we all know that means higher wages, longer contracts and bigger agents commissions and the evidence couldn't be clearer that when he got his way at Fleetwood it resulted in a tripling of their financial losses, a disappointing lack of success on the pitch and an eventual sacking. Are we really supporting Rovers by encouraging Wael to take us down that road ? What we may see is an insane spend in an attempt to blow L2 away. That may well work, but it will come at a cost. The only evidence we have as to what that cost may be comes from Fleetwood's accounts, and it suggests £6,000,000. Add Rovers' structural losses to that and the accounts for the period covering the 2021~22 season could look truly horrific. Wouldn't it have been better to have consolidated where we were 18 months ago and invest some of that £6m elsewhere, maybe ground development rather than going to the roulette wheel and sticking the lot on either black or red in an attempt to buy back our L1 status? Mistakes happen in business, if there was a magic formula and success was guaranteed then everybody would do it, but the number of problems over the last 5 years can't be put down to just bad luck or the occasional misreading of a situation, surely?
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Post by eppinggas on May 1, 2021 9:19:01 GMT
Are you a Wael and Joey worshipper or a Rovers supporter George ? If George is a fan of Wael and the manager, it's not preventing him being a Rovers supporter. Not sure why you chose to ask such a trite question. And likewise, if I am not a fan of Wael or the manager, that does not prevent me from being a Rovers Supporter. (Though not 'active' right now. The Club is not getting a penny out of me). This is why I asked george to define what is "a Rovers supporter". I await his reply george
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Post by warehamgas on May 1, 2021 9:21:38 GMT
Are you a Wael and Joey worshipper or a Rovers supporter George ? First and foremost a Rovers supporter. But also support what Wael & Joey are trying to achieve. That’s a fair response. Pretty sure we’re all Rovers supporters. I will also support Wael and Joey in their attempts to come straight back up but experience tells me you do need to challenge and ask questions. Doing that doesn’t imply being any less of a Rovers fan. UTG!
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2021 9:36:33 GMT
Oh Contradiction, "old boy, old chap", you really do get yourself in a tizz. We all know who you are and I'm sure your blind faith will be rewarded by your master one day. All we do on this forum is debate our concerns on certain threads about the control and corporate governance of the club. We don't challenge people about their right to breed and then as a moderator remove that thread within seconds as on the other forum. P erhaps you should ask your friends Irenestoyboy and Towngas to support your views more in the debate. Remarkably, I believe we will all agree today is unique, it's the day a convicted criminal presented a blueprint to rectify the clubs appalling management and recruitment over the past 18 months and reset the club, it now appears control of the club has been conceded to B*****. I see on your forum one poster has revealed that Lt Colonel Gibson has already carried out his route and branch review. The outcome will be very interesting, along with the total disregard by the Bristol Post amongst other media outlets of the managers trial in 5 weeks time. Sacre Bleu, Mangetout, the lunatics really have taken over the asylum. OMG a conspiracy theorist!
This is not Roswell or Area 51, its a very minor fans Rovers message board.
There is no claudestine organisation or men in black sending secret coded messages to each other or back to Wael.
It is possible to support the board and the manager, I know that hurts people on here,and they dont like the view of their clique challenged but you have to live with it.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2021 9:42:53 GMT
What the hell does 'syntax of my posts' mean ?
On second thoughts, dont bother.
Is George supposed to have a hotline to Wael too, just because he doesnt slag off all and sundry? Or maybe he is restricted to Starnes because he hasnt posted much.
Its a bloody minor internet forum for christ sake, representing a tiny proportion of the fanbase, Wael will be more interested in the resut of the snooker at the Crucible than what a small group of angry and bitter middle aged people think on this forum
You really don’t like being caught eh 😂You totally misquoted me but that’s fine. You like to drop in and attempt to belittle & negate anyone with a differing opinion and even troll swissgas , this speaks more of your character than any content you offer. As for who cares, you obviously do and this post is seeing you getting agitated & angry. It’s a simple enough thing, if you don’t like different opinions then don’t read them or don’t post. Nighty night
This is like a comedy show
Reminds me a bit of Life of Brian
"You are all individuals"
Crowd in unison: "Yes, we are all individuals"
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2021 9:44:03 GMT
With regards to going along with the mob -- I beg to differ as a lot of people on this particular forum seem to be always having a moan or a dig with regards to the current management structure at Rovers. So I wonder who this mob as you say are ? And for your own piece of mind I'm not asleep -- So the comment of " Wake up mate " is not warranted. I will leave you with this The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. You must be a bundle of fun at parties
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Post by trymer on May 1, 2021 9:59:03 GMT
Oh Contradiction, "old boy, old chap", you really do get yourself in a tizz. We all know who you are and I'm sure your blind faith will be rewarded by your master one day. All we do on this forum is debate our concerns on certain threads about the control and corporate governance of the club. We don't challenge people about their right to breed and then as a moderator remove that thread within seconds as on the other forum. P erhaps you should ask your friends Irenestoyboy and Towngas to support your views more in the debate. Remarkably, I believe we will all agree today is unique, it's the day a convicted criminal presented a blueprint to rectify the clubs appalling management and recruitment over the past 18 months and reset the club, it now appears control of the club has been conceded to B*****. I see on your forum one poster has revealed that Lt Colonel Gibson has already carried out his route and branch review. The outcome will be very interesting, along with the total disregard by the Bristol Post amongst other media outlets of the managers trial in 5 weeks time. Sacre Bleu, Mangetout, the lunatics really have taken over the asylum. OMG a conspiracy theorist!
This is not Roswell or Area 51, its a very minor fans Rovers message board.
There is no claudestine organisation or men in black sending secret coded messages to each other or back to Wael.
It is possible to support the board and the manager, I know that hurts people on here,and they dont like the view of their clique challenged but you have to live with it.
Of course you (or anyone else) can support the board but after going through 5 managers in 3 years,putting a charge on the stadium, not getting the UWE stadium built,increasing the annual debts and getting relegated I would like to ask you what exactly they would have to do for you to question your support for them ?
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2021 10:10:14 GMT
First and foremost a Rovers supporter. But also support what Wael & Joey are trying to achieve. I don't doubt you are first and foremost a Rovers supporter george but giving unquestioning support to Wael over the past five years has proven to be harmful to the club. Is it sensible to continue to blindly support someone whom we know has made bad decision after bad decision and shows no sign of stopping ? Wouldn't it be better to send the message to Wael that if he is true to his word and he is going to learn from his mistakes then he should tell us how he proposes to do it ? Because if learning from his mistakes is handing the reins over to Joey B***** then I'm afraid he is likely to do even more damage. It isn't good to see anyone publicly humiliated, least of all the owner of Bristol Rovers, and yet that is what B***** has done to Wael. But Wael has set himself up for it by seeking adoration, wanting people to be grateful and paying too much attention to those who suck up to him instead of taking the bull by the horns and managing Rovers effectively. A few weeks ago some of those "grateful" people were let loose to produce a 60 second video of the training ground with the caption "progress on and off the pitch". It was a ludicrous idea, it invited comparison with BCFC and their genuinely state of the art facility and of course it has backfired completely with news leaking about the club house "cock up" and then the team's relegation. Instead of listening to the "yes men" responsible for that fiasco or shirking responsibility by handing the club over to an unstable character like B***** wouldn't it be better to seek some common sense advice and stand up to the bully ? Because the blueprint which our manager has put forward today is the exact same strategy that failed at Fleetwood and the same one which failed for Nick Higgs and Paul Buckle at Rovers. His precise words are "get better players in. simple" but we all know that means higher wages, longer contracts and bigger agents commissions and the evidence couldn't be clearer that when he got his way at Fleetwood it resulted in a tripling of their financial losses, a disappointing lack of success on the pitch and an eventual sacking. Are we really supporting Rovers by encouraging Wael to take us down that road ? Your usual cut and paste job from previous ramblings Swiss.
You dont offer anything positive, just anti Wael and to revert via a time warp of 30 years ago (where, remember you were apparently on the board at the time they courted Martin Dobson. )
When previously challenged on another post as to what you would actually propose you said in effect "get a consultant in to tell us what to do"
So, no answers, just the usual negative rhetoric.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2021 10:15:29 GMT
OMG a conspiracy theorist!
This is not Roswell or Area 51, its a very minor fans Rovers message board.
There is no claudestine organisation or men in black sending secret coded messages to each other or back to Wael.
It is possible to support the board and the manager, I know that hurts people on here,and they dont like the view of their clique challenged but you have to live with it.
Of course you (or anyone else) can support the board but after going through 5 managers in 3 years,putting a charge on the stadium, not getting the UWE stadium built,increasing the annual debts and getting relegated I would like to ask you what exactly they would have to do for you to question your support for them ? Wael and others responsible for the abysmal playing performance this year.
Happy with commercial improvements Very happy with the Training Ground Comms have improved Happy with the Academy & Community
Need to get act together on the playing side Needs to deliver on the stadium
Happy to have an owner who will fund us and keep us competitive, and who is/appears genuine
Not that hard to have a balanced view is it?
But that doesnt fit the clique
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