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Post by johnmalyckyj on Apr 26, 2021 8:29:38 GMT
"We are a long long way from what you promised when you and your venerable father stood before us in the Presidents Club just a few years ago." Given your clear recollection of that momentous event, how many of your members attended that meeting, it might give us an indication of how many supporters views your represent? The previous board delivered relegation out of the Football League and pursued the folly of taking Sainsburys to court. I wouldn't want any of them anywhere near the football club ever again. As to the "old brigade", what you really mean is that you want things to return to how they were once again when the Presidents Club was an elitist organisation whose members saw themselves as superior to us mere mortals. This was the organisation that wouldn't let the Supporters Club sell 50/50 tickets in the Centenary Stand hospitality suite until Ian Holtby took full control of it. The Presidents Club is like a cross between the Freemasons (secretive) and a group of people who want to exert influence on a political party via the old boys network. No thank you. John Malyckyj got to question your use of the past tense there JM otherwise word perfect (as usual) Shall I edit?
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Post by a more piratey game on Apr 26, 2021 8:37:09 GMT
got to question your use of the past tense there JM otherwise word perfect (as usual) Shall I edit? maybe we should let the internet arm of the Wish I Were President Club answer that? PS are there any other arms?
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Apr 26, 2021 9:19:05 GMT
PS are there any other arms? ... only the vaccinated ones.
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Post by trymer on Apr 26, 2021 10:08:18 GMT
I find it amazing that Rovers are paying for work at a property that they dont own,if Rovers are ever sold the new buyer wouldnt own the training ground that the club have contributed to. The other thing that could happen is that the green belt planning rules could change (there has been talk of that happening in the future) and the training ground land could be sold and as Rovers dont own it they wouldnt get anything. So where do you think "Rovers" money is coming from if it's not the owners putting in the money into their bank account? The owners have made sure that they will get their money back by putting a charge on the stadium,then they will have the ground at Almondsbury through Dwayne so its win win for them even if Rovers end up broke and homeless.
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Post by fatherjackhackett on Apr 26, 2021 12:24:35 GMT
Where I work, we have just spent £1 million on refurbishing a property which we don't own, and, having moved in (from our previous location) we are now paying £30,000 per annum in rent. You couldn't make it up. Still 10 grand a year less than the amount we were paying Geoff Dunford for the Beeches 25 years ago. Just saying...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2021 12:33:03 GMT
When you arrived and your family took control of BRFC the fans were delighted when promotion was secured and we carried you shoulder high down the Gloucester Road. As was I. Of course, many of us soon forgot that it was the previous BOD that laid the foundations for that promotion with the inspired selection of a young manager (D Clarke) and some excellent players (who won the promotion at Wembley) Since then we have witnessed the decimation of experience in the team, a dismissal of the knowledgeable BOD, (replaced now by newbies (or yes men)) and dismissal of the official fanbase who have supported with the necessary funds over many many years. No longer can 'Rovers claim to own a training ground because it is now owned by an overseas Company, in fact, I am struggling to remember what BRFC does own? Perhaps you can remind me? We are a long long way from what you promised when you and your venerable father stood before us in the Presidents Club just a few years ago. I note that you have promised us 'the earth' but I have to wonder what you and your 'pals' are able to achieve based on recent performance? Maybe one day you will call on the 'old brigade' who have helped keep our football club going for so many years or will you continue to drive us into potential extinction? "We are a long long way from what you promised when you and your venerable father stood before us in the Presidents Club just a few years ago." Given your clear recollection of that momentous event, how many of your members attended that meeting, it might give us an indication of how many supporters views you represent? The previous board delivered relegation out of the Football League and pursued the folly of taking Sainsburys to court. I wouldn't want any of them anywhere near the football club ever again. As to the "old brigade", what you really mean is that you want things to return to how they were once again, when the Presidents Club was an elitist organisation whose members see themselves as superior to us mere mortals. This was the organisation that wouldn't let the Supporters Club sell 50/50 tickets in the Centenary Stand hospitality suite until Ian Holtby took full control of it. The Presidents Club is like a cross between the Freemasons (secretive) and a group of people who want to exert influence on a political party via the old boys network. No thank you. John Malyckyj
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Post by knowall on Apr 26, 2021 15:43:15 GMT
When you arrived and your family took control of BRFC the fans were delighted when promotion was secured and we carried you shoulder high down the Gloucester Road. As was I. Of course, many of us soon forgot that it was the previous BOD that laid the foundations for that promotion with the inspired selection of a young manager (D Clarke) and some excellent players (who won the promotion at Wembley) Since then we have witnessed the decimation of experience in the team, a dismissal of the knowledgeable BOD, (replaced now by newbies (or yes men)) and dismissal of the official fanbase who have supported with the necessary funds over many many years. No longer can 'Rovers claim to own a training ground because it is now owned by an overseas Company, in fact, I am struggling to remember what BRFC does own? Perhaps you can remind me? We are a long long way from what you promised when you and your venerable father stood before us in the Presidents Club just a few years ago. I note that you have promised us 'the earth' but I have to wonder what you and your 'pals' are able to achieve based on recent performance? Maybe one day you will call on the 'old brigade' who have helped keep our football club going for so many years or will you continue to drive us into potential extinction? "We are a long long way from what you promised when you and your venerable father stood before us in the Presidents Club just a few years ago." Given your clear recollection of that momentous event, how many of your members attended that meeting, it might give us an indication of how many supporters views you represent? The previous board delivered relegation out of the Football League and pursued the folly of taking Sainsburys to court. I wouldn't want any of them anywhere near the football club ever again. As to the "old brigade", what you really mean is that you want things to return to how they were once again, when the Presidents Club was an elitist organisation whose members see themselves as superior to us mere mortals. This was the organisation that wouldn't let the Supporters Club sell 50/50 tickets in the Centenary Stand hospitality suite until Ian Holtby took full control of it. The Presidents Club is like a cross between the Freemasons (secretive) and a group of people who want to exert influence on a political party via the old boys network. No thank you. John Malyckyj A sad intervention to this subject John on so many counts. I never have been able to work out why you have such an aversion to the PC and it's members? Firstly, I contribute to the forums on my own account and not on behalf of the PC or any of the members unless I state so. Also, I am unaware that any of the members of the PC think of themselves as superior to any other 'Rovers supporter, certainly I do not, and if you actually took the trouble to research or speak to me you would of course know that I do not. I am proud to have been a member for so many years which apart from anything else has given me the pleasure of meeting and working with so many other like minded members including Denis and Geoff Dunford and Barry Bradshaw amongst so many others and also be able to contribute to some things that has benefitted our football Club. From what you write you appear to have problems with others who have served our great football club and have picked out for criticism the BOD under Nick Higgs who, whatever you might think gave time and effort in an attempt to improve the lot of our Club. Note: for ALL our benefit not just his! I admire the fact that you appear to stand up for our owner who is committed to our (now his) football club, but my 'beef' with him is that he is taking the club further away from those who have supported this Club for so many years through thick and thin, and rejected so many who have given time and effort like Keith Brookman, Jim Chappell, Ken Masters etc, etc, etc.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2021 15:51:39 GMT
Knownothing.
If you want a thread about how Jim has run the SC into the ground, start one. I'll contribute.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Apr 26, 2021 16:42:56 GMT
Knownothing. If you want a thread about how Jim has run the SC into the ground, start one. I'll contribute. Not this 💩, again
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2021 17:43:54 GMT
Knownothing. If you want a thread about how Jim has run the SC into the ground, start one. I'll contribute. Not this 💩, again I know, the SC is dead and buried, no idea what it's purpose is any more. Take it up with knowall, he's the one who seems to want to talk about it.
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Post by irishrover on Apr 26, 2021 21:35:45 GMT
Ah, I see some are determined to carry on fighting the Battle of Naesby (with the same weapons) when the current threat is the possibility of being nuked by China.....
With all due respect to protagonists who have put a huge effort into these battles over the years, which were obviously pretty critical at the time, it all looks vaguely quaint and irrelevant from the current vantage point when you consider the scale of the problems that are faced. At least there were protagonists then - now we just sit and wait for millionaire's to wrangle control from each other and hope the current one gets his s*** together or sells to someone who does. The sense of powerlessness is palpable. We can only argue about the past because it increasingly looks like there isn't much of a future to argue about.
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Post by johnmalyckyj on Apr 27, 2021 8:14:46 GMT
"We are a long long way from what you promised when you and your venerable father stood before us in the Presidents Club just a few years ago." Given your clear recollection of that momentous event, how many of your members attended that meeting, it might give us an indication of how many supporters views you represent? The previous board delivered relegation out of the Football League and pursued the folly of taking Sainsburys to court. I wouldn't want any of them anywhere near the football club ever again. As to the "old brigade", what you really mean is that you want things to return to how they were once again, when the Presidents Club was an elitist organisation whose members see themselves as superior to us mere mortals. This was the organisation that wouldn't let the Supporters Club sell 50/50 tickets in the Centenary Stand hospitality suite until Ian Holtby took full control of it. The Presidents Club is like a cross between the Freemasons (secretive) and a group of people who want to exert influence on a political party via the old boys network. No thank you. John Malyckyj A sad intervention to this subject John on so many counts. I never have been able to work out why you have such an aversion to the PC and it's members? Firstly, I contribute to the forums on my own account and not on behalf of the PC or any of the members unless I state so. Also, I am unaware that any of the members of the PC think of themselves as superior to any other 'Rovers supporter, certainly I do not, and if you actually took the trouble to research or speak to me you would of course know that I do not. I am proud to have been a member for so many years which apart from anything else has given me the pleasure of meeting and working with so many other like minded members including Denis and Geoff Dunford and Barry Bradshaw amongst so many others and also be able to contribute to some things that has benefitted our football Club. From what you write you appear to have problems with others who have served our great football club and have picked out for criticism the BOD under Nick Higgs who, whatever you might think gave time and effort in an attempt to improve the lot of our Club. Note: for ALL our benefit not just his! I admire the fact that you appear to stand up for our owner who is committed to our (now his) football club, but my 'beef' with him is that he is taking the club further away from those who have supported this Club for so many years through thick and thin, and rejected so many who have given time and effort like Keith Brookman, Jim Chappell, Ken Masters etc, etc, etc. Well congratulations, at long last you've responded to a post. So, since you are in such talkative mood, I ask you once again "How many people are members of the Presidents Club?" I will rest my case on the previous Board, the facts speak for themselves. My view of the Presidents Club PC is based on my own experiences and in particular their antipathy towards the 50/50 draw. The conduct of one of your members at the last public AGM was a disgrace and his contributions were delivered with a breathtaking arrogance that said it all. Keith Brookman? I have NEVER criticised Keith, I contributed to the Pirate for 9 years and know how hard he worked for the club sometimes to the detriment of his own health. I sit two rows behind Keith in the broadcast area at the Mem and have exchanged views about the debacle that has unfolded throughout the season and regularly doing each other small favours as the broadcasting community tend to do. Jim Chappell, again I have the upmost respect for Jim although I do believe, and documented my views last year that the Supporters Club were wrong to align themselves to what appeared to be an attempted coup and of course you trumpeted that the PC were supportive of that stance. It is a very difficult situation when you have declared war on your parent body and expect things to carry on as they are, that is why I suggested that the SC should fold and re-invent itself. The Ken Masters situation was a disaster for the SC and I did actually approach two committee members around about February of last year to see if there was anything I could do to help smooth matters, they never came back to me. I did this because I could see them digging an ever bigger hole and in the end it turned into a complete car crash. Just for the record, I did join the SC for the 20/21 season. As to the current ownership of the Football Club, you either put up or shut up. You can be as critical as you like and there is nothing wrong with holding people to account but here is the simple fact: You need to rustle up about £20m and have the resources to fund the annual losses. The old boys network and a few dinner dances don't cut the mustard any longer. This debate has been running for about 25 years now. It will not go away. I can see that others have had enough of this so I am going to leave it that. We all want the same thing, a successful football club the difference between us is that you seem to think the future is locked in the past. I'm afraid those days are gone. Regards John Malyckyj
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Post by irishrover on Apr 27, 2021 10:58:49 GMT
A sad intervention to this subject John on so many counts. I never have been able to work out why you have such an aversion to the PC and it's members? Firstly, I contribute to the forums on my own account and not on behalf of the PC or any of the members unless I state so. Also, I am unaware that any of the members of the PC think of themselves as superior to any other 'Rovers supporter, certainly I do not, and if you actually took the trouble to research or speak to me you would of course know that I do not. I am proud to have been a member for so many years which apart from anything else has given me the pleasure of meeting and working with so many other like minded members including Denis and Geoff Dunford and Barry Bradshaw amongst so many others and also be able to contribute to some things that has benefitted our football Club. From what you write you appear to have problems with others who have served our great football club and have picked out for criticism the BOD under Nick Higgs who, whatever you might think gave time and effort in an attempt to improve the lot of our Club. Note: for ALL our benefit not just his! I admire the fact that you appear to stand up for our owner who is committed to our (now his) football club, but my 'beef' with him is that he is taking the club further away from those who have supported this Club for so many years through thick and thin, and rejected so many who have given time and effort like Keith Brookman, Jim Chappell, Ken Masters etc, etc, etc. Well congratulations, at long last you've responded to a post. So, since you are in such talkative mood, I ask you once again "How many people are members of the Presidents Club?" I will rest my case on the previous Board, the facts speak for themselves. My view of the Presidents Club PC is based on my own experiences and in particular their antipathy towards the 50/50 draw. The conduct of one of your members at the last public AGM was a disgrace and his contributions were delivered with a breathtaking arrogance that said it all. Keith Brookman? I have NEVER criticised Keith, I contributed to the Pirate for 9 years and know how hard he worked for the club sometimes to the detriment of his own health. I sit two rows behind Keith in the broadcast area at the Mem and have exchanged views about the debacle that has unfolded throughout the season and regularly doing each other small favours as the broadcasting community tend to do. Jim Chappell, again I have the upmost respect for Jim although I do believe, and documented my views last year that the Supporters Club were wrong to align themselves to what appeared to be an attempted coup and of course you trumpeted that the PC were supportive of that stance. It is a very difficult situation when you have declared war on your parent body and expect things to carry on as they are, that is why I suggested that the SC should fold and re-invent itself. The Ken Masters situation was a disaster for the SC and I did actually approach two committee members around about February of last year to see if there was anything I could do to help smooth matters, they never came back to me. I did this because I could see them digging an ever bigger hole and in the end it turned into a complete car crash. Just for the record, I did join the SC for the 20/21 season. As to the current ownership of the Football Club, you either put up or shut up. You can be as critical as you like and there is nothing wrong with holding people to account but here is the simple fact: You need to rustle up about £20m and have the resources to fund the annual losses. The old boys network and a few dinner dances don't cut the mustard any longer. This debate has been running for about 25 years now. It will not go away. I can see that others have had enough of this so I am going to leave it that. We all want the same thing, a successful football club the difference between us is that you seem to think the future is locked in the past. I'm afraid those days are gone. Regards John Malyckyj This.
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Post by darloGAS on Apr 27, 2021 11:20:47 GMT
A sad intervention to this subject John on so many counts. I never have been able to work out why you have such an aversion to the PC and it's members? Firstly, I contribute to the forums on my own account and not on behalf of the PC or any of the members unless I state so. Also, I am unaware that any of the members of the PC think of themselves as superior to any other 'Rovers supporter, certainly I do not, and if you actually took the trouble to research or speak to me you would of course know that I do not. I am proud to have been a member for so many years which apart from anything else has given me the pleasure of meeting and working with so many other like minded members including Denis and Geoff Dunford and Barry Bradshaw amongst so many others and also be able to contribute to some things that has benefitted our football Club. From what you write you appear to have problems with others who have served our great football club and have picked out for criticism the BOD under Nick Higgs who, whatever you might think gave time and effort in an attempt to improve the lot of our Club. Note: for ALL our benefit not just his! I admire the fact that you appear to stand up for our owner who is committed to our (now his) football club, but my 'beef' with him is that he is taking the club further away from those who have supported this Club for so many years through thick and thin, and rejected so many who have given time and effort like Keith Brookman, Jim Chappell, Ken Masters etc, etc, etc. Well congratulations, at long last you've responded to a post. So, since you are in such talkative mood, I ask you once again "How many people are members of the Presidents Club?" I will rest my case on the previous Board, the facts speak for themselves. My view of the Presidents Club PC is based on my own experiences and in particular their antipathy towards the 50/50 draw. The conduct of one of your members at the last public AGM was a disgrace and his contributions were delivered with a breathtaking arrogance that said it all. Keith Brookman? I have NEVER criticised Keith, I contributed to the Pirate for 9 years and know how hard he worked for the club sometimes to the detriment of his own health. I sit two rows behind Keith in the broadcast area at the Mem and have exchanged views about the debacle that has unfolded throughout the season and regularly doing each other small favours as the broadcasting community tend to do. Jim Chappell, again I have the upmost respect for Jim although I do believe, and documented my views last year that the Supporters Club were wrong to align themselves to what appeared to be an attempted coup and of course you trumpeted that the PC were supportive of that stance. It is a very difficult situation when you have declared war on your parent body and expect things to carry on as they are, that is why I suggested that the SC should fold and re-invent itself. The Ken Masters situation was a disaster for the SC and I did actually approach two committee members around about February of last year to see if there was anything I could do to help smooth matters, they never came back to me. I did this because I could see them digging an ever bigger hole and in the end it turned into a complete car crash. Just for the record, I did join the SC for the 20/21 season. As to the current ownership of the Football Club, you either put up or shut up. You can be as critical as you like and there is nothing wrong with holding people to account but here is the simple fact: You need to rustle up about £20m and have the resources to fund the annual losses. The old boys network and a few dinner dances don't cut the mustard any longer. This debate has been running for about 25 years now. It will not go away. I can see that others have had enough of this so I am going to leave it that. We all want the same thing, a successful football club the difference between us is that you seem to think the future is locked in the past. I'm afraid those days are gone. Regards John Malyckyj . . . and excellent contributions they were, my friend. Barry Bradshaw's, annual Valentine's Ball...🙄 'The President's Club' - my arse! #UTG
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Post by gastower on Apr 27, 2021 12:53:12 GMT
Interesting observation Darlo however Barry Bradshaw never had anything to do with organising the Presidents Valentines Ball. I do know the football club appreciated the usual £8k cheque that followed a few days later however
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Post by alloutofgas on Apr 29, 2021 9:19:23 GMT
I think Rovers are paying for everything. I don’t know if Rovers pay rent to Dwane Colony but if they did it should only be a ground rent because we have already paid for the facilities and the staff who manage and work there are Rovers staff. The accounts should show transactions with related parties but with the new minimalist format I’m not sure they will. I find it amazing that Rovers are paying for work at a property that they dont own,if Rovers are ever sold the new buyer wouldnt own the training ground that the club have contributed to. The other thing that could happen is that the green belt planning rules could change (there has been talk of that happening in the future) and the training ground land could be sold and as Rovers dont own it they wouldnt get anything. Exactly this. The training ground saga carries absolutely no financial risk. Land values have gone up in the last few years. If planning regs change and the land can be developed further then it gets sold at a profit. Smoke and mirrors.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Apr 29, 2021 12:22:52 GMT
I find it amazing that Rovers are paying for work at a property that they dont own,if Rovers are ever sold the new buyer wouldnt own the training ground that the club have contributed to. The other thing that could happen is that the green belt planning rules could change (there has been talk of that happening in the future) and the training ground land could be sold and as Rovers dont own it they wouldnt get anything. Exactly this. The training ground saga carries absolutely no financial risk. Land values have gone up in the last few years. If planning regs change and the land can be developed further then it gets sold at a profit. Smoke and mirrors. This is precisely why Wael was so excited and saying how easy it was to buy a club. They , DS, have got themselves a no lose club. All we can do now is hope that Wael is prepared to continue to not just fund the club but to show real ambition. Hiring and firing managers and his past decisions make me question what the real intention is. I can’t help but be extremely cynical about it all and I have genuine fears that we are in a managed decline. The promotion , back to L1, was unexpected and I feel that it was something that certainly wasn’t planned for but then, what have plans ever done for lil old Bristol Rovers
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