trunky
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Post by trunky on Apr 25, 2021 11:10:33 GMT
[qwuote author=" knowall" source="/post/227076/thread" timestamp="1619287571"] Roy, at least you're consistently bitter. It must be the chip on each shoulder. Well if you are happy with the state of our Club, I am surprised, and disappointed. But maybe we get what we deserve? [/quote] |
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Post by droitwichgas on Apr 25, 2021 13:42:56 GMT
Since then we have witnessed the decimation of experience in the team, a dismissal of the knowledgeable BOD, (replaced now by newbies (or yes men)) and dismissal of the official fanbase who have supported with the necessary funds over many many years.Knowall what's the position on the SC arranging a vote so they can put forward their candidate to replace KM as Fans Director? Even my local parish council run by OAPS are now having regular council meetings via Zoom, surely that's not beyond the SC? No longer can 'Rovers claim to own a training ground because it is now owned by an overseas Company, in fact, I am struggling to remember what BRFC does own? Perhaps you can remind me?When did Rovers last own their own training ground? 30 years ago? Although assuming it's owned by the same overseas company that own the Mem/BRFC does it really make much difference if it's owned by the club anyway, it's not like it can be sold any time soon for a nice profit and the club will then lose out on a nice windfall. Do Dwayne own BRFC ? I believe that they own the training ground,if thats correct then BRFC are quite possibly paying Dwayne to use the training ground. That would be quite sweet for Dwayne,I suppose that as they are a Jersey based company they dont pay so much tax on their income ? Dwayne, or whoever owns the training ground, will only pay taxes if they ever make a profit, given whoever owns the ground is spending millions developing the training ground I can't see them making a profit anytime soon. |
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Post by droitwichgas on Apr 25, 2021 13:45:58 GMT
It's a shame that knowall didn't have a cup of tea and calm down a bit before hitting 'Create post', it was spoiled with the stuff about being 'promised the earth' etc. The club is a shell of what Wael was handed by Higgs, and if anybody thinks for 1 second that this is as bad as it gets then they've paid no attention whatsoever to anything that's happened over the last 5 years. Wael's solution to where we find ourselves is going to be to double down on one of his biggest mistakes and spend more. This is precisely what I fear. I see no evidence of him doing any different. He will not accept outside investment and we really are his plaything Why does he need outside investment? Given how much we're spending on the training ground it doesn't look like lack of finance is the issue, regardless if Wael accepted outside investment who's to say we won't be the investment co's plaything. |
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knowall
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Post by knowall on Apr 25, 2021 14:30:54 GMT
Knowall, it wasn’t so very long ago that you were lauding Wael & co and saying how close the FM stadium was with the information gleaned from all your contacts. What’s changed? I suggest you re-read what I have said because you will find that is not what I have said or even what I believe. I do believe that the FM was (maybe still could be) a possibility but not under our current ownership. It is quite pertinent that recent developments in the discussion re the Super Six is exactly where I see the future of most Clubs including ours where the fans have a much bigger input. (Just in case you are unaware, it was I who helped GD & RC put together the participants who enabled the purchase of the Memorial Stadium for BRFC and see a similar project could be ahead of us now) |
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Post by knowall on Apr 25, 2021 14:43:31 GMT
Do Dwayne own BRFC ? I believe that they own the training ground,if thats correct then BRFC are quite possibly paying Dwayne to use the training ground. That would be quite sweet for Dwayne,I suppose that as they are a Jersey based company they dont pay so much tax on their income ? Dwayne, or whoever owns the training ground, will only pay taxes if they ever make a profit, given whoever owns the ground is spending millions developing the training ground I can't see them making a profit anytime soon. i see you are not an accountant. |
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Post by swissgas on Apr 25, 2021 14:51:10 GMT
Do Dwayne own BRFC ? I believe that they own the training ground,if thats correct then BRFC are quite possibly paying Dwayne to use the training ground. That would be quite sweet for Dwayne,I suppose that as they are a Jersey based company they dont pay so much tax on their income ? Dwayne, or whoever owns the training ground, will only pay taxes if they ever make a profit, given whoever owns the ground is spending millions developing the training ground I can't see them making a profit anytime soon. The training ground is owned by Dwane Colony Ltd which is registered in Jersey. The money for the development is coming from BRFC or BRFC1883 and the logical reason for that is that those companies are able to reclaim VAT whereas Dwane Colony Ltd is not registered. But how much thought has gone into this arrangement ? Is there a formal agreement between the BRFC companies and Dwane Colony Ltd so that it is clear what each company owns, what each company’s financial obligation is to the other and what would happen if one of the companies were to go out of business ? You say the training ground development shows that finances are healthy Droitwich but I think it shows the opposite. If finance was in place then surely the development would have been completed in one fell swoop and in a reasonable timescale. Also, if finance was not an issue why are we building what we are instead of a modern spacious building with a gymnasium included ? It is an unconventional plan being done in a stop start way and is taking much longer than could reasonably be expected which IMO indicates that, to say the least, money supply is intermittent. |
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trymer
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Post by trymer on Apr 25, 2021 16:03:22 GMT
This is precisely what I fear. I see no evidence of him doing any different. He will not accept outside investment and we really are his plaything Why does he need outside investment? Given how much we're spending on the training ground it doesn't look like lack of finance is the issue, regardless if Wael accepted outside investment who's to say we won't be the investment co's plaything. "we're spending on the training ground" , we being Rovers ? I hope that isnt true,Rovers paying for improvements to a training ground that they dont own and are renting from Dwayne. That field that no one else wanted is looking like a good investment......for Dwayne ! |
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Post by droitwichgas on Apr 25, 2021 16:24:01 GMT
Dwayne, or whoever owns the training ground, will only pay taxes if they ever make a profit, given whoever owns the ground is spending millions developing the training ground I can't see them making a profit anytime soon. The training ground is owned by Dwane Colony Ltd which is registered in Jersey. The money for the development is coming from BRFC or BRFC1883 and the logical reason for that is that those companies are able to reclaim VAT whereas Dwane Colony Ltd is not registered. But how much thought has gone into this arrangement ? Is there a formal agreement between the BRFC companies and Dwane Colony Ltd so that it is clear what each company owns, what each company’s financial obligation is to the other and what would happen if one of the companies were to go out of business ? You say the training ground development shows that finances are healthy Droitwich but I think it shows the opposite. If finance was in place then surely the development would have been completed in one fell swoop and in a reasonable timescale. Also, if finance was not an issue why are we building what we are instead of a modern spacious building with a gymnasium included ? It is an unconventional plan being done in a stop start way and is taking much longer than could reasonably be expected which IMO indicates that, to say the least, money supply is intermittent. It seems to me it was being completed in one fell swoop, or at least Phase 1 was, however, somebody has decided the original plans for the clubhouse weren't good enough so we've had to go back to S Glos to get further pp. |
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Post by swissgas on Apr 25, 2021 16:48:37 GMT
The training ground is owned by Dwane Colony Ltd which is registered in Jersey. The money for the development is coming from BRFC or BRFC1883 and the logical reason for that is that those companies are able to reclaim VAT whereas Dwane Colony Ltd is not registered. But how much thought has gone into this arrangement ? Is there a formal agreement between the BRFC companies and Dwane Colony Ltd so that it is clear what each company owns, what each company’s financial obligation is to the other and what would happen if one of the companies were to go out of business ? You say the training ground development shows that finances are healthy Droitwich but I think it shows the opposite. If finance was in place then surely the development would have been completed in one fell swoop and in a reasonable timescale. Also, if finance was not an issue why are we building what we are instead of a modern spacious building with a gymnasium included ? It is an unconventional plan being done in a stop start way and is taking much longer than could reasonably be expected which IMO indicates that, to say the least, money supply is intermittent. It seems to me it was being completed in one fell swoop, or at least Phase 1 was, however, somebody has decided the original plans for the clubhouse weren't good enough so we've had to go back to S Glos to get further pp. The development was announced on June 4th 2020 and the pitches were ready for use by October. Planning permission was already in place so the building could have easily been completed by the end of the year meaning the team would have had access to adequate training facilities for the last four months of the season. If someone came up with the excuse that in the Autumn 2020 it was realized a mistake had been made and the size of the building would have to be increased they would have to explain why the original building was still being worked on in March 2021. |
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trymer
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Post by trymer on Apr 25, 2021 16:54:57 GMT
It seems to me it was being completed in one fell swoop, or at least Phase 1 was, however, somebody has decided the original plans for the clubhouse weren't good enough so we've had to go back to S Glos to get further pp. The development was announced on June 4th 2020 and the pitches were ready for use by October. Planning permission was already in place so the building could have easily been completed by the end of the year meaning the team would have had access to adequate training facilities for the last four months of the season. If someone came up with the excuse that in the Autumn 2020 it was realized a mistake had been made and the size of the building would have to be increased they would have to explain why the original building was still being worked on in March 2021. Rovers had to leave Coombe Dingle before the students started to use the facilities there,that was the arrangement so maybe the building work at Almondsbury could only be partially completed by that time ? Swiss is there any way that it will ever be known how much Rovers pay to rent Almondsbury ? or how much Rovers are paying towards the work there ? |
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Post by droitwichgas on Apr 25, 2021 17:02:58 GMT
It seems to me it was being completed in one fell swoop, or at least Phase 1 was, however, somebody has decided the original plans for the clubhouse weren't good enough so we've had to go back to S Glos to get further pp. The development was announced on June 4th 2020 and the pitches were ready for use by October. Planning permission was already in place so the building could have easily been completed by the end of the year meaning the team would have had access to adequate training facilities for the last four months of the season. If someone came up with the excuse that in the Autumn 2020 it was realized a mistake had been made and the size of the building would have to be increased they would have to explain why the original building was still being worked on in March 2021. Hard to believe that you are upset that building work wasn't completed sooner, when this is the first thing of the note the club has built since the North Stand was constructed at Eastville 1959, and even that was paid for by the SC. |
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Post by swissgas on Apr 25, 2021 17:26:04 GMT
The development was announced on June 4th 2020 and the pitches were ready for use by October. Planning permission was already in place so the building could have easily been completed by the end of the year meaning the team would have had access to adequate training facilities for the last four months of the season. If someone came up with the excuse that in the Autumn 2020 it was realized a mistake had been made and the size of the building would have to be increased they would have to explain why the original building was still being worked on in March 2021. Rovers had to leave Coombe Dingle before the students started to use the facilities there,that was the arrangement so maybe the building work at Almondsbury could only be partially completed by that time ? Swiss is there any way that it will ever be known how much Rovers pay to rent Almondsbury ? or how much Rovers are paying towards the work there ? I think Rovers are paying for everything. I don’t know if Rovers pay rent to Dwane Colony but if they did it should only be a ground rent because we have already paid for the facilities and the staff who manage and work there are Rovers staff. The accounts should show transactions with related parties but with the new minimalist format I’m not sure they will. |
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Post by swissgas on Apr 25, 2021 17:32:44 GMT
The development was announced on June 4th 2020 and the pitches were ready for use by October. Planning permission was already in place so the building could have easily been completed by the end of the year meaning the team would have had access to adequate training facilities for the last four months of the season. If someone came up with the excuse that in the Autumn 2020 it was realized a mistake had been made and the size of the building would have to be increased they would have to explain why the original building was still being worked on in March 2021. Hard to believe that you are upset that building work wasn't completed sooner, when this is the first thing of the note the club has built since the North Stand was constructed at Eastville 1959, and even that was paid for by the SC. I’m not upset Droitwich just wondering why it was not completed by December so the players would have had reasonable changing and meeting facilities for the critical last four months of the season. If there were no financial issues and no reservations about size why wasn’t it full steam ahead ? If there were reservations about size why was work still being carried out in March 2021 ? That only leaves one answer. |
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trymer
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Post by trymer on Apr 25, 2021 17:38:04 GMT
Rovers had to leave Coombe Dingle before the students started to use the facilities there,that was the arrangement so maybe the building work at Almondsbury could only be partially completed by that time ? Swiss is there any way that it will ever be known how much Rovers pay to rent Almondsbury ? or how much Rovers are paying towards the work there ? I think Rovers are paying for everything. I don’t know if Rovers pay rent to Dwane Colony but if they did it should only be a ground rent because we have already paid for the facilities and the staff who manage and work there are Rovers staff. The accounts should show transactions with related parties but with the new minimalist format I’m not sure they will. I find it amazing that Rovers are paying for work at a property that they dont own,if Rovers are ever sold the new buyer wouldnt own the training ground that the club have contributed to. The other thing that could happen is that the green belt planning rules could change (there has been talk of that happening in the future) and the training ground land could be sold and as Rovers dont own it they wouldnt get anything. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2021 17:38:50 GMT
Rovers had to leave Coombe Dingle before the students started to use the facilities there,that was the arrangement so maybe the building work at Almondsbury could only be partially completed by that time ? Swiss is there any way that it will ever be known how much Rovers pay to rent Almondsbury ? or how much Rovers are paying towards the work there ? I think Rovers are paying for everything. I don’t know if Rovers pay rent to Dwane Colony but if they did it should only be a ground rent because we have already paid for the facilities and the staff who manage and work there are Rovers staff. The accounts should show transactions with related parties but with the new minimalist format I’m not sure they will. I have no idea what's happening with funding for the training ground build or rent, but if it's how you appear to be suggesting here that could be a barrier to new / outside investment. Again, I have no idea if SS money is still being handed over, if it is then you would assume that the SC accountants would be looking at this and advising the SC EC appropriately? |
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Post by jets4 on Apr 25, 2021 19:32:29 GMT
I think Rovers are paying for everything. I don’t know if Rovers pay rent to Dwane Colony but if they did it should only be a ground rent because we have already paid for the facilities and the staff who manage and work there are Rovers staff. The accounts should show transactions with related parties but with the new minimalist format I’m not sure they will. I find it amazing that Rovers are paying for work at a property that they dont own,if Rovers are ever sold the new buyer wouldnt own the training ground that the club have contributed to. The other thing that could happen is that the green belt planning rules could change (there has been talk of that happening in the future) and the training ground land could be sold and as Rovers dont own it they wouldnt get anything. |
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Post by jets4 on Apr 25, 2021 19:35:43 GMT
Where I work, we have just spent £1 million on refurbishing a property which we don't own, and, having moved in (from our previous location) we are now paying £30,000 per annum in rent. You couldn't make it up.
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Post by droitwichgas on Apr 25, 2021 20:38:19 GMT
I think Rovers are paying for everything. I don’t know if Rovers pay rent to Dwane Colony but if they did it should only be a ground rent because we have already paid for the facilities and the staff who manage and work there are Rovers staff. The accounts should show transactions with related parties but with the new minimalist format I’m not sure they will. I find it amazing that Rovers are paying for work at a property that they dont own,if Rovers are ever sold the new buyer wouldnt own the training ground that the club have contributed to. The other thing that could happen is that the green belt planning rules could change (there has been talk of that happening in the future) and the training ground land could be sold and as Rovers dont own it they wouldnt get anything. So where do you think "Rovers" money is coming from if it's not the owners putting in the money into their bank account? |
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Post by johnmalyckyj on Apr 26, 2021 8:13:19 GMT
When you arrived and your family took control of BRFC the fans were delighted when promotion was secured and we carried you shoulder high down the Gloucester Road. As was I. Of course, many of us soon forgot that it was the previous BOD that laid the foundations for that promotion with the inspired selection of a young manager (D Clarke) and some excellent players (who won the promotion at Wembley) Since then we have witnessed the decimation of experience in the team, a dismissal of the knowledgeable BOD, (replaced now by newbies (or yes men)) and dismissal of the official fanbase who have supported with the necessary funds over many many years. No longer can 'Rovers claim to own a training ground because it is now owned by an overseas Company, in fact, I am struggling to remember what BRFC does own? Perhaps you can remind me? We are a long long way from what you promised when you and your venerable father stood before us in the Presidents Club just a few years ago. I note that you have promised us 'the earth' but I have to wonder what you and your 'pals' are able to achieve based on recent performance? Maybe one day you will call on the 'old brigade' who have helped keep our football club going for so many years or will you continue to drive us into potential extinction? "We are a long long way from what you promised when you and your venerable father stood before us in the Presidents Club just a few years ago." Given your clear recollection of that momentous event, how many of your members attended that meeting, it might give us an indication of how many supporters views you represent? The previous board delivered relegation out of the Football League and pursued the folly of taking Sainsburys to court. I wouldn't want any of them anywhere near the football club ever again. As to the "old brigade", what you really mean is that you want things to return to how they were once again, when the Presidents Club was an elitist organisation whose members see themselves as superior to us mere mortals. This was the organisation that wouldn't let the Supporters Club sell 50/50 tickets in the Centenary Stand hospitality suite until Ian Holtby took full control of it. The Presidents Club is like a cross between the Freemasons (secretive) and a group of people who want to exert influence on a political party via the old boys network. No thank you. John Malyckyj |
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Post by a more piratey game on Apr 26, 2021 8:22:15 GMT
When you arrived and your family took control of BRFC the fans were delighted when promotion was secured and we carried you shoulder high down the Gloucester Road. As was I. Of course, many of us soon forgot that it was the previous BOD that laid the foundations for that promotion with the inspired selection of a young manager (D Clarke) and some excellent players (who won the promotion at Wembley) Since then we have witnessed the decimation of experience in the team, a dismissal of the knowledgeable BOD, (replaced now by newbies (or yes men)) and dismissal of the official fanbase who have supported with the necessary funds over many many years. No longer can 'Rovers claim to own a training ground because it is now owned by an overseas Company, in fact, I am struggling to remember what BRFC does own? Perhaps you can remind me? We are a long long way from what you promised when you and your venerable father stood before us in the Presidents Club just a few years ago. I note that you have promised us 'the earth' but I have to wonder what you and your 'pals' are able to achieve based on recent performance? Maybe one day you will call on the 'old brigade' who have helped keep our football club going for so many years or will you continue to drive us into potential extinction? "We are a long long way from what you promised when you and your venerable father stood before us in the Presidents Club just a few years ago." Given your clear recollection of that momentous event, how many of your members attended that meeting, it might give us an indication of how many supporters views your represent? The previous board delivered relegation out of the Football League and pursued the folly of taking Sainsburys to court. I wouldn't want any of them anywhere near the football club ever again. As to the "old brigade", what you really mean is that you want things to return to how they were once again when the Presidents Club was an elitist organisation whose members saw themselves as superior to us mere mortals. This was the organisation that wouldn't let the Supporters Club sell 50/50 tickets in the Centenary Stand hospitality suite until Ian Holtby took full control of it. The Presidents Club is like a cross between the Freemasons (secretive) and a group of people who want to exert influence on a political party via the old boys network. No thank you. John Malyckyj got to question your use of the past tense there JM otherwise word perfect (as usual) |
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Well if you are happy with the state of our Club, I am surprised, and disappointed. But maybe we get what we deserve?
