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Post by CabbagePatchBlues on Apr 20, 2021 21:14:02 GMT
He’s still a rookie ffs, and a poor one at that.
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Post by laughinggas on Apr 20, 2021 21:18:18 GMT
Barton expects less than 10 of the players in the dressing room to be here next season.
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Post by laughinggas on Apr 20, 2021 21:20:25 GMT
Also complained about no one on hand to score to a chance early on. Well the only player who attacks the six yard box was on the bench.
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Apr 20, 2021 21:27:15 GMT
Why? What’s he ever done in the past made him a great team builder. One previous attempt, rubbish at Fleetwood. Look at them now. So please explain exactly why you are so convinced. The team he constructed is still notorious for its gamesmanship. Explain why you want us to be notorious for that? And you think he has managed run in well, in selections, plans, game management, substitutions? JB has a way of managing,football opinions,he deserves to have a chance with his signings etc. Rovers need some stability and a leader to follow. TW must go. I think JB can get us back in the 3rd tier,but he needs to have the whip hand. you have merely stated your conclusion, given no supporting evidence for it. The evidence against your conclusion is damning isn’t it? |
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Post by JeffNZ on Apr 20, 2021 21:28:51 GMT
I can't imagine anything will match the pain of relegation to the National League but the manner in which we have capitulated and been relegated this time around is appalling.
* No fight
* No skill
* No leadership
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Post by basel on Apr 20, 2021 21:43:31 GMT
I can't imagine anything will match the pain of relegation to the National League but the manner in which we have capitulated and been relegated this time around is appalling. * No fight * No skill * No leadership This relegation actually feels as bad ,if not worse, than the drop to the 5th tier to me Rex. From GC to this. It really should not of happened. |
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Post by basel on Apr 20, 2021 21:45:06 GMT
JB has a way of managing,football opinions,he deserves to have a chance with his signings etc. Rovers need some stability and a leader to follow. TW must go. I think JB can get us back in the 3rd tier,but he needs to have the whip hand. you have merely stated your conclusion, given no supporting evidence for it. The evidence against your conclusion is damning isn’t it? No. |
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Post by a more piratey game on Apr 20, 2021 21:59:09 GMT
Where's a horse to punch when you need one.  wins the prize, on a difficult night |
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Apr 20, 2021 22:56:24 GMT
you have merely stated your conclusion, given no supporting evidence for it. The evidence against your conclusion is damning isn’t it? No. No. You need to justify your belief. Supply some evidence supporting your faith in someone now proved in every way a failed football manager. I’ll help you. One previous attempt building a team, rubbish at Fleetwood. Sacked for training ground violence. Look at them now. Go on, say that isn’t a big factor for you. The team he constructed is still notorious for its gamesmanship. Tell us you are happy for Rovers to be notorious for that, it doesn’t bother you. And simply state, you think he has managed this run in very well, in selections, plans, game management, substitutions, he did the best job available with the players, got them punching above their weight, not woefully underperforming or the wrong formation for dealing with opponents threats. Otherwise. With all this wanting Barton to have chance to rebuild, but can’t explain why, considering he’s proved rubbish at football management at two clubs now, and all the Wael + Barton Twitter following added together we are bigger than Bristol City now, are we not forgetting who we really are? losing exactly why Rovers and Gasheads are special, exactly why it’s an easy going privilege to be one. We never have better than thou attitude of a Bristol City or so many other clubs, our enjoyments from football are more subtle, irreducible in any pretension of a rat race, where their managers spin and BS. And fans measure size of their club in column inches. Since when is this us? Let’s get our right heads back on again. Barton out now. Give it to Rodman and Mans for 3 games. We need our Rovers back. And we need to be back united behind them. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2021 22:58:20 GMT
The issues always surround attitude, unfortunately the culture of the club allows for the sort of attitude that results in the mess we are in now. Coughlan stamped on it and prevented what at the time he took over was looking as a certain relegation and galvanised a team not individuals. Unfortunately a hard nosed b'stard was replaced by a fart and then a fashion mannequin. Barton is correct in all he says, the club is run on Sunday League terms especially ‘ recruitment ‘. We are in free fall and would struggle to survive in the fifth tier and it’s all down to attitude and ours absolutely stinks.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2021 22:58:30 GMT
BARTON OUT! Forget the business about his character are s-lit on, can all agree 100% he will never make it as a football manager. His constant tinkering and baffling line ups and tactics is worse than Tisdale. Joey’s match management, the ability to spot what is playing out in front of him and react effectively is definitely worse than the novice Garner. His substations more surreal than anything Salvador Dali came up with. I used to cringe less in Cocko’s post match conference than Joey’s. At least with Cocko you you see it was from the heart, with Joey it’s just snake oiled deflection and BS. And in terms of the managers we have had this season and their ability to motivate players, get the performance out of them, Joey is easily bottom of the pile. TODAY WAS THE MOST TAME AND SHAMEFUL SURRENDER OF THE SEASON. As a manager he just don’t know how to work anything close to the most of what he’s got. Caretaker between now and end of season has to be Rodman in my opinion. It's at the point where if he had any self awareness, or self respect he would apologise and walk away. But don't hold your breath. When Punchy arrived we had 27 points from 28 games, 0.96 PPG. Endless soundbites about the 'blue half of Bristol' and 'no doubt about avoiding relegation', well, his record is P15, W3 D2 L10 PPG 0.73. Today's excuse? The players use chewing tobacco. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2021 23:03:46 GMT
You can't blame Barton. Even Klopp wouldn't be able to motivate this shower, and there is no better motivator in the business. The players are just not good enough. It's that simple. you are talking gibberish. he’s got to set them out properly, Barton’s 3 centrebacks and surrender of the midfield battle will make any team of players look rubbish. The job on the training ground and in a dressing room isn’t fire up, it’s to ensure they play composed joined up football. Calm composed focused on a clear game plan. HOW DARE YOU CRITICISE THE PLAYERS WHEN THERE IS NO FOCUS, COMPOSURE OR GAME PLAN. HOW DARE YOU! It's worse than that. They've seen one of their buddies thrown under the bus and know full well that if they don't get a result they'll all get slated by Barton. Have you ever worked somewhere where the management try to motivate with fear and pressure? It doesn't work. You get people motivated by getting them to believe in what you are trying to achieve, by picking people who you honestly believe can help you get where you want to be, and by reminding them regularly that they are valued. And by winning people's trust. Wael has no clue what he's doing keeping that bloke here, no clue. |
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Post by mangogas15 on Apr 21, 2021 6:21:49 GMT
I asked my Dad when I was about 9 or 10, what if Kenny Dalglish went to play for Halifax, they would be promoted from Div 4, he said no because it's not about 1 player, same scenario Bill Shankly couldn't have managed them out of div 4 either without the time and resources he had at Anfield.
A manager needs time and a couple of transfer windows in this day and age.
After that i believe he lives and dies by it.
I was very sorry to see the demise of Rovers last night.
No excuses this time, MK were just miles better.
What made any of us think that this group was going to change and suddenly win 4 games in a row. To quote Linus from Charlie Brown '..maybe we'll win one in a row..'
Picture yourself on 7th Aug, or indeed 7th May 2022 and where will we be then.
It's been coming and Rovers deserve to go down. We flirted with relegation in 2018/19 and got lucky with JCH, when you look at his injury record and our track record for ruining strikers.
2 out of the last 10 plus have failed miserably at our club, Taylor and JCH being the exception.
UTG and I really mean that. Onwards and upwards, have a good day everyone. At least we don't support City.
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Post by alftupper on Apr 21, 2021 6:28:34 GMT
you are talking gibberish. he’s got to set them out properly, Barton’s 3 centrebacks and surrender of the midfield battle will make any team of players look rubbish. The job on the training ground and in a dressing room isn’t fire up, it’s to ensure they play composed joined up football. Calm composed focused on a clear game plan. HOW DARE YOU CRITICISE THE PLAYERS WHEN THERE IS NO FOCUS, COMPOSURE OR GAME PLAN. HOW DARE YOU! Have you ever worked somewhere where the management try to motivate with fear and pressure? It doesn't work. To be fair, it was how General Patton went about his business. It worked for him. You don`t see many German soldiers in France or Belgium these days. And the ones you do see, aren`t allowed to go about killing people. |
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Post by basel on Apr 21, 2021 6:32:49 GMT
No. You need to justify your belief. Supply some evidence supporting your faith in someone now proved in every way a failed football manager. I’ll help you. One previous attempt building a team, rubbish at Fleetwood. Sacked for training ground violence. Look at them now. Go on, say that isn’t a big factor for you. The team he constructed is still notorious for its gamesmanship. Tell us you are happy for Rovers to be notorious for that, it doesn’t bother you. And simply state, you think he has managed this run in very well, in selections, plans, game management, substitutions, he did the best job available with the players, got them punching above their weight, not woefully underperforming or the wrong formation for dealing with opponents threats. Otherwise. With all this wanting Barton to have chance to rebuild, but can’t explain why, considering he’s proved rubbish at football management at two clubs now, and all the Wael + Barton Twitter following added together we are bigger than Bristol City now, are we not forgetting who we really are? losing exactly why Rovers and Gasheads are special, exactly why it’s an easy going privilege to be one. We never have better than thou attitude of a Bristol City or so many other clubs, our enjoyments from football are more subtle, irreducible in any pretension of a rat race, where their managers spin and BS. And fans measure size of their club in column inches. Since when is this us? Let’s get our right heads back on again. Barton out now. Give it to Rodman and Mans for 3 games. We need our Rovers back. And we need to be back united behind them. The man clearly deserves a chance with his team.Just as you no doubt wanted to see the Garner dream unfold this season. I want to see our current Manager given the whip hand.The man has ideas,his own style,can communicate and appears strong enough to lead. As for the rest of your twaddle,I'll get an appointment with my GP if I want to be patronised.😏 |
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Post by basel on Apr 21, 2021 6:43:17 GMT
BARTON OUT! Forget the business about his character are s-lit on, can all agree 100% he will never make it as a football manager. His constant tinkering and baffling line ups and tactics is worse than Tisdale. Joey’s match management, the ability to spot what is playing out in front of him and react effectively is definitely worse than the novice Garner. His substations more surreal than anything Salvador Dali came up with. I used to cringe less in Cocko’s post match conference than Joey’s. At least with Cocko you you see it was from the heart, with Joey it’s just snake oiled deflection and BS. And in terms of the managers we have had this season and their ability to motivate players, get the performance out of them, Joey is easily bottom of the pile. TODAY WAS THE MOST TAME AND SHAMEFUL SURRENDER OF THE SEASON. As a manager he just don’t know how to work anything close to the most of what he’s got. Caretaker between now and end of season has to be Rodman in my opinion. It's at the point where if he had any self awareness, or self respect he would apologise and walk away. But don't hold your breath. When Punchy arrived we had 27 points from 28 games, 0.96 PPG. Endless soundbites about the 'blue half of Bristol' and 'no doubt about avoiding relegation', well, his record is P15, W3 D2 L10 PPG 0.73. Today's excuse? The players use chewing tobacco. Garner and Tisdale could'nt turn it around.Personally I think Garner should never of got the job and Tisdale needed time. Barton needs time.It's obvious. It's also obvious that those with a personal dislike of Rovers manager have allowed that dislike to dictate and blur commonsense football views. Joey Barton clearly needs the Summer. It might be that his possibly more abrasive style has'nt worked with our current squad of 'darlings'.Barton needs his type of player. It would be imo another mistake not to give Joey the whip hand,a chance to sign his players and have a go at the 4th tier. |
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Post by laughinggas on Apr 21, 2021 7:32:24 GMT
It's at the point where if he had any self awareness, or self respect he would apologise and walk away. But don't hold your breath. When Punchy arrived we had 27 points from 28 games, 0.96 PPG. Endless soundbites about the 'blue half of Bristol' and 'no doubt about avoiding relegation', well, his record is P15, W3 D2 L10 PPG 0.73. Today's excuse? The players use chewing tobacco. Garner and Tisdale could'nt turn it around.Personally I think Garner should never of got the job and Tisdale needed time. Barton needs time.It's obvious. It's also obvious that those with a personal dislike of Rovers manager have allowed that dislike to dictate and blur commonsense football views. Joey Barton clearly needs the Summer. It might be that his possibly more abrasive style has'nt worked with our current squad of 'darlings'.Barton his need his type of player. It would be imo another mistake not to give Joey the whip hand,a chance to sign his players and have a go at the 4th tier. We had a clear out last summer with a plan, for many reasons it failed. So do we keep to the plan of developing players and adhere to a budget? What if the Barton revolution fails? Do we rip it up again? We have had managers who failed elsewhere and were successful with us and vice versa. Buckle was a promising manager when joining, ripped things up and failed so badly never seen again. Francis was a failure at Exeter but worked with us under a severe budget. Have seen nothing while he's been at Rovers to suggest he will not become another Buckle. DC was in tears at relegation, many fans wanted him gone but some players stood by him and you know the rest. After last night's outburst will any players want to stay and role their sleeves up? Based on his performance with us I don't think he's the man for the job. |
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Post by eppinggas on Apr 21, 2021 8:17:58 GMT
Garner and Tisdale could'nt turn it around.Personally I think Garner should never of got the job and Tisdale needed time. Barton needs time.It's obvious. It's also obvious that those with a personal dislike of Rovers manager have allowed that dislike to dictate and blur commonsense football views. Joey Barton clearly needs the Summer. It might be that his possibly more abrasive style has'nt worked with our current squad of 'darlings'.Barton his need his type of player. It would be imo another mistake not to give Joey the whip hand,a chance to sign his players and have a go at the 4th tier. We had a clear out last summer with a plan, for many reasons it failed. So do we keep to the plan of developing players and adhere to a budget? What if the Barton revolution fails? Do we rip it up again? We have had managers who failed elsewhere and were successful with us and vice versa. Buckle was a promising manager when joining, ripped things up and failed so badly never seen again. Francis was a failure at Exeter but worked with us under a severe budget. Have seen nothing while he's been at Rovers to suggest he will not become another Buckle. DC was in tears at relegation, many fans wanted him gone but some players stood by him and you know the rest. After last night's outburst will any players want to stay and role their sleeves up? Based on his performance with us I don't think he's the man for the job. How anyone can still think that this utter cretin is the best person to take the Club forward is totally beyond me. To be fair to him - he's talked a fair few people into "believing" in him. Why do they "believe"? These people are entitled to their opinion, and I await the case for the Barton defence with bated breath. It was a hugely divisive gamble bringing him to the Club. It was a massive mistake. The gamble has failed. Totally and utterly. "If" Barton avoids prison and is still the manager in tier 4 with 'his own team and his own way of doing things' I can see no hope. Wael Al-Qadi. Decision time. You're going to reap just what you sow. You're going to reap just what you sow. |
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Post by mangogas15 on Apr 21, 2021 8:33:15 GMT
We had a clear out last summer with a plan, for many reasons it failed. So do we keep to the plan of developing players and adhere to a budget? What if the Barton revolution fails? Do we rip it up again? We have had managers who failed elsewhere and were successful with us and vice versa. Buckle was a promising manager when joining, ripped things up and failed so badly never seen again. Francis was a failure at Exeter but worked with us under a severe budget. Have seen nothing while he's been at Rovers to suggest he will not become another Buckle. DC was in tears at relegation, many fans wanted him gone but some players stood by him and you know the rest. After last night's outburst will any players want to stay and role their sleeves up? Based on his performance with us I don't think he's the man for the job. How anyone can still think that this utter cretin is the best person to take the Club forward is totally beyond me. To be fair to him - he's talked a fair few people into "believing" in him. Why do they "believe"? These people are entitled to their opinion, and I await the case for the Barton defence with bated breath. It was a hugely divisive gamble bringing him to the Club. It was a massive mistake. The gamble has failed. Totally and utterly. "If" Barton avoids prison and is still the manager in tier 4 with 'his own team and his own way of doing things' I can see no hope. Wael Al-Qadi. Decision time. You're going to reap just what you sow. You're going to reap just what you sow. Not the best person, just better than the other 2. I wonder what would have happened had we played 8 at the back in our last 10 games, would we have more or less points. |
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Post by jackthegas on Apr 21, 2021 9:02:11 GMT
Whilst it is clear that this squad isn't good enough, I think we have to be really careful how we proceed this summer. I can't think of a single instance over the last 25 years where we have recruited a new squad over the summer and followed it up with a good season. We've been successful when the likes of Trollope and Clarke have built on the squad they inherited from previous managers. The year we ended up in the conference, we had 7 players who were regulars that had been involved the previous season. The two good years we had under Holloway were a culmination of two year rebuilds.
I think if Barton stays and decides he needs to start again with a completely new squad, he will find it very difficult to get us challenging next season. Not every signing will work out and history tells us that new teams take a while to bed in. Barton will be gone by Christmas if we are in the bottom half next year. I think an organiser at centre half, a goal scorer and a ball winner in midfield could be enough to get us competing at the right end of the table next season but the manager has to carry these players with him, something he has completely failed to do.
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