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Post by laughinggas on Apr 12, 2021 19:47:34 GMT
Don't think he blamed the physio's. Think someone took different sentences together out of context.
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warehamgas
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Post by warehamgas on Apr 12, 2021 20:28:08 GMT
We have nothing to complain about , on the pitch really. We could all see the great footballing architect had got it wrong and subsequently we have been 5hiT all season. To expect us to put a run of wins together is unrealistic and, for those who think B***** is going to get it right is silly. His set up and use of subs aka game management, is very poor. I have reconciled to us going down but I am genuinely concerned that B***** will not do any better there. B***** moans about refs in this league, he will have lots of them to rant at, next season. Yes, I agree. We were ok but we should have managed that game to a win. And although our performances under JB have been consistently better than the others his use of subs have been poor and if it had been Tis or even BG they would have been given a real hammering on the forums. In a match we were looking to win he takes Westbrooke off for Hare. Crazy. And it’s a good point about the refs KP, remembering last time if we think they’re bad in League 1 just wait until we play in League 2. I hate that league!!! UTG!
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kingswood Polak
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Post by kingswood Polak on Apr 12, 2021 22:45:17 GMT
We have nothing to complain about , on the pitch really. We could all see the great footballing architect had got it wrong and subsequently we have been 5hiT all season. To expect us to put a run of wins together is unrealistic and, for those who think B***** is going to get it right is silly. His set up and use of subs aka game management, is very poor. I have reconciled to us going down but I am genuinely concerned that B***** will not do any better there. B***** moans about refs in this league, he will have lots of them to rant at, next season. Yes, I agree. We were ok but we should have managed that game to a win. And although our performances under JB have been consistently better than the others his use of subs have been poor and if it had been Tis or even BG they would have been given a real hammering on the forums. In a match we were looking to win he takes Westbrooke off for Hare. Crazy. And it’s a good point about the refs KP, remembering last time if we think they’re bad in League 1 just wait until we play in League 2. I hate that league!!! UTG! Me too & , when we are allowed to go, I really don’t feel I can stomach paying £26 for it let alone the idea of a cat A match, in league 2 or division 4 in old money
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Apr 13, 2021 18:39:01 GMT
"i can’t believe posters, I think O2 guilty of this, who thinks this squads not too far away (whilst criticising Garner for building it) that performances not too far away. It’s been relegation form and results for months now."
I can't believe some numpty posters can't even get my username correct!?
I can't believe posters can't distinguish between performance, and form or results!? Playing and dominating games is performance, yet making one slip in defence and getting punished by losing/drawing matches feel comfortable in reflect results, and a sequence of results can be interpreted in form.
I can't believe posters can't understand the concept it's perfectly feasible to sign a decent player, then subsequently go on to coach or manage him incorrectly or not to maximum efficiency.
There's alot I can't believe..
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Apr 13, 2021 18:47:06 GMT
"i can’t believe posters, I think O2 guilty of this, who thinks this squads not too far away (whilst criticising Garner for building it) that performances not too far away. It’s been relegation form and results for months now." I can't believe some numpty posters can't even get my username correct!? I can't believe posters can't distinguish between performance, and form or results!? Playing and dominating games is performance, yet making one slip in defence and getting punished by losing/drawing matches feel comfortable in reflect results, and a sequence of results can be interpreted in form. I can't believe posters can't understand the concept it's perfectly feasible to sign a decent player, then subsequently go on to coach or manage him incorrectly or not to maximum efficiency. There's alot I can't believe.. well. At least you are trying. 🙂 A lot of fans blame players and managers, but theres more than that messing this club up isn’t there? In the world of business, someone owns a factory or hotel and wants something, they can put people between a rock and a hard place and by and large get what they need. You can’t operate like that in football, it’s a different ball game. To start with an owner doesn’t own club like he would factory or hotel, it belongs to fans and communities. Its value set should be theirs. Nor does he own players, agents do. Football fans are generally optimistic. Even last summer when we were signing full back upon fall back, when, even before Jonno went squad needed forwards, we still thought it might turn out alright. Well the squad was never good enough. If Hanlan and Ayunga played a conference season next year I don’t think they would light it up. So it didn’t matter who the manager is. That said, I think all three managers showed some pretty crap game management at times. If Dalys fit, whats he doing sat on the bench? A defence that changes personnel, shape, duties as often as this is not likely to get clean sheets. And defences also need help from midfields and all the team in fact. And not just off the ball, but hold the ball to allow defence to make a higher line and not have opponents in possession deep in our territory. Where did it begin? Cocko was here, it was going well. Then he was gone just before a window saying taken them as far as I can, which is speculation but could be “ive had a chat with the board and they are not backing me.” To confirm such speculation it needs a response from the board like – we were planning to take it in a different direction anyway (noting here how many fans moaned and whined about type of football under cocko) so in comes young fancy dan future prospects in place of seasoned streetwise pro’s, and young coach on three year mission pretty football in place of seasoned streetwise manager. I’d like to know how much money we have paid agents last 18 months, if it’s a relegation how expensive was it to create, what with sacking managers after 80 days etc. tied in with agent influence I also like to know to what extent Garner was a nodding dog to boards and Tommys shopping list before criticising Garner. How his team set up and went about it against the lesser lights in this league was the best manager of the four this season by far imo, and might have kept a young developing squad up.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Apr 13, 2021 19:03:16 GMT
"i can’t believe posters, I think O2 guilty of this, who thinks this squads not too far away (whilst criticising Garner for building it) that performances not too far away. It’s been relegation form and results for months now." I can't believe some numpty posters can't even get my username correct!? I can't believe posters can't distinguish between performance, and form or results!? Playing and dominating games is performance, yet making one slip in defence and getting punished by losing/drawing matches feel comfortable in reflect results, and a sequence of results can be interpreted in form. I can't believe posters can't understand the concept it's perfectly feasible to sign a decent player, then subsequently go on to coach or manage him incorrectly or not to maximum efficiency. There's alot I can't believe.. well. At least you are trying. 🙂 A lot of fans blame players and managers, but theres more than that messing this club up isn’t there? In the world of business, someone owns a factory or hotel and wants something, they can put people between a rock and a hard place and by and large get what they need. You can’t operate like that in football, it’s a different ball game. To start with an owner doesn’t own club like he would factory or hotel, it belongs to fans and communities. Its value set should be theirs. Nor does he own players, agents do. Football fans are generally optimistic. Even last summer when we were signing full back upon fall back, when, even before Jonno went squad needed forwards, we still thought it might turn out alright. Well the squad was never good enough. If Hanlan and Ayunga played a conference season next year I don’t think they would light it up. So it didn’t matter who the manager is. That said, I think all three managers showed some pretty crap game management at times. If Dalys fit, whats he doing sat on the bench? A defence that changes personnel, shape, duties as often as this is not likely to get clean sheets. And defences also need help from midfields and all the team in fact. And not just off the ball, but hold the ball to allow defence to make a higher line and not have opponents in possession deep in our territory. Where did it begin? Cocko was here, it was going well. Then he was gone just before a window saying taken them as far as I can, which is speculation but could be “ive had a chat with the board and they are not backing me.” To confirm such speculation it needs a response from the board like – we were planning to take it in a different direction anyway (noting here how many fans moaned and whined about type of football under cocko) so in comes young fancy dan future prospects in place of seasoned streetwise pro’s, and young coach on three year mission pretty football in place of seasoned streetwise manager. I’d like to know how much money we have paid agents last 18 months, if it’s a relegation how expensive was it to create, what with sacking managers after 80 days etc. tied in with agent influence I also like to know to what extent Garner was a nodding dog to boards and Tommys shopping list before criticising Garner. How his team set up and went about it against the lesser lights in this league was the best manager of the four this season by far imo, and might have kept a young developing squad up. You see, I can believe alot of that post. 🙂
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Post by phil74 on Apr 13, 2021 19:21:48 GMT
Emperor has quietly made these points about tactical set-up all season: "...defences also need help from midfields and all the team in fact. And not just off the ball, but hold the ball to allow defence to make a higher line and not have opponents in possession deep in our territory."
The reason I'm quoting this is that the crucial Rochdale v Swindon game is on right now. Rochdale have set-up as 4-5-1. They've had 5 shots, all on target and are currently winning 1 - 0. This suggests to me the play is going through midfield and giving the striker chances from good positions. I'd like us to play something more akin to this system, whereas we have spent too much of the season bypassing midfield and taking speculative shots from distance. This seems ironic, given that our creative midfield is arguably the strongest element of the team. We have genuine quality in Oz, Westbrooke, Nicholson and McCormick.
Meanwhile, Ipswich - who were no great shakes when we lost to them a couple of weeks ago - have just been pumped 3 - 0 at Wimbledon. Although Ipswich went down to ten men, they'd set up as 3-5-2. I sense this quickly became 5-3-2, spending time being pushed back onto the edge of their own box - inviting danger.
Possibly our only hope now is that Wimbledon and Wigan's good form has "peaked" and their current good results don't last.
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Post by The Concept on Apr 13, 2021 19:53:04 GMT
well. At least you are trying. 🙂 A lot of fans blame players and managers, but theres more than that messing this club up isn’t there? In the world of business, someone owns a factory or hotel and wants something, they can put people between a rock and a hard place and by and large get what they need. You can’t operate like that in football, it’s a different ball game. To start with an owner doesn’t own club like he would factory or hotel, it belongs to fans and communities. Its value set should be theirs. Nor does he own players, agents do. Football fans are generally optimistic. Even last summer when we were signing full back upon fall back, when, even before Jonno went squad needed forwards, we still thought it might turn out alright. Well the squad was never good enough. If Hanlan and Ayunga played a conference season next year I don’t think they would light it up. So it didn’t matter who the manager is. That said, I think all three managers showed some pretty crap game management at times. If Dalys fit, whats he doing sat on the bench? A defence that changes personnel, shape, duties as often as this is not likely to get clean sheets. And defences also need help from midfields and all the team in fact. And not just off the ball, but hold the ball to allow defence to make a higher line and not have opponents in possession deep in our territory. Where did it begin? Cocko was here, it was going well. Then he was gone just before a window saying taken them as far as I can, which is speculation but could be “ive had a chat with the board and they are not backing me.” To confirm such speculation it needs a response from the board like – we were planning to take it in a different direction anyway (noting here how many fans moaned and whined about type of football under cocko) so in comes young fancy dan future prospects in place of seasoned streetwise pro’s, and young coach on three year mission pretty football in place of seasoned streetwise manager. I’d like to know how much money we have paid agents last 18 months, if it’s a relegation how expensive was it to create, what with sacking managers after 80 days etc. tied in with agent influence I also like to know to what extent Garner was a nodding dog to boards and Tommys shopping list before criticising Garner. How his team set up and went about it against the lesser lights in this league was the best manager of the four this season by far imo, and might have kept a young developing squad up. You see, I can believe alot of that post. 🙂 You seem to write 'alot' a lot. Please stop ... it must stop ... it's annoying ... and I'm very annoyed this evening! :-)
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Apr 13, 2021 20:08:17 GMT
Emperor has quietly made these points about tactical set-up all season: "...defences also need help from midfields and all the team in fact. And not just off the ball, but hold the ball to allow defence to make a higher line and not have opponents in possession deep in our territory." The reason I'm quoting this is that the crucial Rochdale v Swindon game is on right now. Rochdale have set-up as 4-5-1. They've had 5 shots, all on target and are currently winning 1 - 0. This suggests to me the play is going through midfield and giving the striker chances from good positions. I'd like us to play something more akin to this system, whereas we have spent too much of the season bypassing midfield and taking speculative shots from distance. This seems ironic, given that our creative midfield is arguably the strongest element of the team. We have genuine quality in Oz, Westbrooke, Nicholson and McCormick. Meanwhile, Ipswich - who were no great shakes when we lost to them a couple of weeks ago - have just been pumped 3 - 0 at Wimbledon. Although Ipswich went down to ten men, they'd set up as 3-5-2. I sense this quickly became 5-3-2, spending time being pushed back onto the edge of their own box - inviting danger. Possibly our only hope now is that Wimbledon and Wigan's good form has "peaked" and their current good results don't last. Yes. You have nailed it. Opportunities to do better with this squad have been missed in this run in. in defence of Joey, Rodman been a miss, and Nicholson. It’s not just ability to hold ball, knock it and transition, but teams need carriers to create openings too, going at opponents, they back peddle, watch ball, you can drop shoulder go passed them. That surely only reason all three managers persevered with Hanlan, Daly is more of a goal threat beside Ayunga. And Grant has not had a Stella season in our midfield, but we would rather have him fit and replacing Upson? Grant has played his career as centre back and sees that as his position, so you wonder sometimes the board who bought him and tells managers he’s midfielder has too much say? And Leahy further forward because he’s scoring goals? No. He’s getting them because he is deeper and endeavour and lack of picking him up makes him differentials. But when he has been in left winger position he doesn’t have all the skill set there, which is get good cross in, and beat a man, he gets to the ball, touches it, lays it back again. We’ve seen Tutonda cross and beat players around the box, but this manager gave him a start as centre back.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Apr 14, 2021 15:18:39 GMT
You see, I can believe alot of that post. 🙂 You seem to write 'alot' a lot. Please stop ... it must stop ... it's annoying ... and I'm very annoyed this evening! :-) Ah well. Nevermind. There's alot more important things to get annoyed a bout ...
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Post by The Concept on Apr 14, 2021 15:22:15 GMT
You seem to write 'alot' a lot. Please stop ... it must stop ... it's annoying ... and I'm very annoyed this evening! :-) Ah well. Nevermind. There's alot more important things to get annoyed a bout ... Ahem! Again, 'alot' annoys me a lot, please start anew, afresh, don't leave me aghast! :-)
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Apr 14, 2021 15:44:08 GMT
Ah well. Nevermind. There's alot more important things to get annoyed a bout ... Ahem! Again, 'alot' annoys me a lot, please start anew, afresh, don't leave me aghast! :-) It's just a common miss-spelling (!)....which is what I am 🙂
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