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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2021 17:11:52 GMT
19 Swindon 37 -21 37 20 Northampton 38 -22 36 21 Wimbledon 36 -23 36 22 Wigan 37 -25 35 23 Bristol Rovers 38 -24 34 24 Rochdale 36 -21 32 Boo hiss We're behind you..........
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Post by outwoodgas on Mar 27, 2021 17:17:38 GMT
Its Carry on Rovers. We are as threatening as Charles Hawtrey ad as clumsy as Jim Dale. At least the Carry On films had something up front.
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Mar 27, 2021 17:17:45 GMT
19 Swindon 37 -21 37 20 Northampton 38 -22 36 21 Wimbledon 36 -23 36 22 Wigan 37 -25 35 23 Bristol Rovers 38 -24 34 24 Rochdale 36 -21 32 It’s simply 15 points from 24, perhaps less, to stay. Ignore the table, it can change. Football is about opinions. My opinion is, this team did not just statistically play much better under Ben Garner than any of his replacements this season, but those of us who watched all the matches know for fact it was not great under Ben Garner, especially some of the big defeats against Donny and Ipswich etc, but still far more settled and convincing overall than anything since.
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Post by phil74 on Mar 27, 2021 17:21:54 GMT
19 Swindon 37 -21 37 20 Northampton 38 -22 36 21 Wimbledon 36 -23 36 22 Wigan 37 -25 35 23 Bristol Rovers 38 -24 34 24 Rochdale 36 -21 32 It’s simply 15 points from 24, perhaps less, to stay. Ignore the table, it can change. Football is about opinions. My opinion is, this team did not just statistically play much better under Ben Garner than any of his replacements this season, but those of us who watched all the matches know for fact it was not great under Ben Garner, especially some of the big defeats against Donny and Ipswich etc, but still far more settled and convincing overall than anything since. This is the bizarre thing, isn't it? What we'll now never know is how things could have turned out if he'd remained in charge!!!
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Post by harrybuckle on Mar 27, 2021 17:26:46 GMT
Kept the score down four straight defeats picked up one point from last five matches and failed to score in four of them. Its pretty much over now with Ipswich away and our bogey team Doncaster Rovers at home.
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Mar 27, 2021 17:33:22 GMT
It’s simply 15 points from 24, perhaps less, to stay. Ignore the table, it can change. Football is about opinions. My opinion is, this team did not just statistically play much better under Ben Garner than any of his replacements this season, but those of us who watched all the matches know for fact it was not great under Ben Garner, especially some of the big defeats against Donny and Ipswich etc, but still far more settled and convincing overall than anything since. This is the bizarre thing, isn't it? What we'll now never know is how things could have turned out if he'd remained in charge!!! and Alex Ferguson. You may not have heard of him other than he won 21 (twenty one) titles in a row managing Rangers in Scotland, but back in the eighties he was manager at Man U and they sacked him after a FA Cup loss at Nottingham Forrest. admittedly Man U weren’t going anywhere under him, and should have been doing much better.
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Mar 27, 2021 17:41:04 GMT
This is the bizarre thing, isn't it? What we'll now never know is how things could have turned out if he'd remained in charge!!! and Alex Ferguson. You may not have heard of him other than he won 21 (twenty one) titles in a row managing Rangers in Scotland, but back in the eighties he was manager at Man U and they sacked him after a FA Cup loss at Nottingham Forrest. admittedly Man U weren’t going anywhere under him, and should have been doing much better. Simiraly at Bristol Rovers, we had a former 1970s England international managing us in 1987 called Gerrry Francis. St Bobby Gould, who won the FA Cup with Wimbledon and then masterminded England’s World Cup win in Japan had performed miracles to maintain our third tier football, but it was in danger of being thrown away under the novice Francis who had already relegated Exeter, so Rovers sacked him after a heavy stuffing at Southend over Christmas, because if they hadn’t done that the writing would have been on the wall. We had a smarter board in those days who knew what they were doing.
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Post by phil74 on Mar 27, 2021 17:48:57 GMT
and Alex Ferguson. You may not have heard of him other than he won 21 (twenty one) titles in a row managing Rangers in Scotland, but back in the eighties he was manager at Man U and they sacked him after a FA Cup loss at Nottingham Forrest. admittedly Man U weren’t going anywhere under him, and should have been doing much better. Simiraly at Bristol Rovers, we had a former 1970s England international managing us in 1987 called Gerrry Francis. St Bobby Gould, who won the FA Cup with Wimbledon and then masterminded England’s World Cup win in Japan had performed miracles to maintain our third tier football, but it was in danger of being thrown away under the novice Francis who had already relegated Exeter, so Rovers sacked him after a heavy stuffing at Southend over Christmas, because if they hadn’t done that the writing would have been on the wall. We had a smarter board in those days who knew what they were doing. My theory is that we've lacked strategic succession planning since Wael took control. Training ground and finances aside, recruitment of players and staff has been very mixed. Wael inherited Darrell and rode the crest of the promotion wave into League 1. Things started to stagnate after a year. "Goals were sold out of the team" and subsequently, the board have reacted to events rather than anticipated them. GC got the job by default and his good results papered over our structural cracks. Since he left, it's been an unmitigated disaster. One of the really sad aspects is that I think we do have some very talented individual players. We just don't have a team.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Mar 27, 2021 17:52:32 GMT
Is it me? Is it us?
Does the systemic abuse of watching your beloved team huff and puff every match only to struggle to create half chances and not score, only for us to concede similar half chances and lose the match? ...is this akin to watching footballing self harm? Where we are and have been for so long plays out in the same, sad story? ...where we are doomed to repeat such endeavours like Prometheus liver being ripped from his body every day? Are we in some sort of punishment, or is this self inflicted?
So confused..
Maybe because we are set up to fail, I actually feel more upbeat and satisfied (in terms of confident as to where we are in our impending doom), I actually thought we performed well today. More or less matched a credible opposition. More or less competed with promotion candidates.
Well done newbies, Martinez and Walker....I applaud that, and they both didn't look out of place. Well done them.
Well done Jaaks, my m o m, saved us 3 times with solid hands and positioning.
Well done JAB, many have surrendered and think blooding of players that will play their heart out says the pre season started today (nice phrase) because some of these players are for future. Better things await them.
It's just, some massive part of this is open for everyone to see. We're not good enough in both boxes, we are where we deserve to be and the anticipation of relegation is in the air.
UptheGas... Nope, it'll be down.
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Mar 27, 2021 18:50:36 GMT
Is it me? Is it us? Does the systemic abuse of watching your beloved team huff and puff every match only to struggle to create half chances and not score, only for us to concede similar half chances and lose the match? ...is this akin to watching footballing self harm? Where we are and have been for so long plays out in the same, sad story? ...where we are doomed to repeat such endeavours like Prometheus liver being ripped from his body every day? Are we in some sort of punishment, or is this self inflicted? So confused.. Maybe because we are set up to fail, I actually feel more upbeat and satisfied (in terms of confident as to where we are in our impending doom), I actually thought we performed well today. More or less matched a credible opposition. More or less competed with promotion candidates. Well done newbies, Martinez and Walker....I applaud that, and they both didn't look out of place. Well done them. Well done Jaaks, my m o m, saved us 3 times with solid hands and positioning. Well done JAB, many have surrendered and think blooding of players that will play their heart out says the pre season started today (nice phrase) because some of these players are for future. Better things await them. It's just, some massive part of this is open for everyone to see. We're not good enough in both boxes, we are where we deserve to be and the anticipation of relegation is in the air. UptheGas... Nope, it'll be down. “ I actually thought we performed well today.”. 🤣 a side fighting for survival were invisible second half. Created not one clear chance the whole game. We had zero spells of pressure the whole game. We didn’t knock it around and play any football at any point. It’s true Martinez and Walker didn’t look out of place in this team, but what is that really saying? Both defences had a shaky game, and neither keeper was particularly worked. the mistakes B***** is now making is chopping and changing shape, system, partnerships and duties far too much. Nor is he keeping it tight enough in the midfield and middle of the pitch. Nor is there enough emphasis on hold up play and keep ball, this is vital to transition into a shape where you overman it somewhere and slip players into pockets of space, instead it’s all too rushed for anyone with flair or creativity to show what they’ve got. We start games with lots of tempo and press, which looks good against everyone, but as soon as B*****’s side, far to reliant on profiting from a hustle and bustle strategy loses energy, it dies on its feet.
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Post by phil74 on Mar 27, 2021 19:21:50 GMT
Is it me? Is it us? Does the systemic abuse of watching your beloved team huff and puff every match only to struggle to create half chances and not score, only for us to concede similar half chances and lose the match? ...is this akin to watching footballing self harm? Where we are and have been for so long plays out in the same, sad story? ...where we are doomed to repeat such endeavours like Prometheus liver being ripped from his body every day? Are we in some sort of punishment, or is this self inflicted? So confused.. Maybe because we are set up to fail, I actually feel more upbeat and satisfied (in terms of confident as to where we are in our impending doom), I actually thought we performed well today. More or less matched a credible opposition. More or less competed with promotion candidates. Well done newbies, Martinez and Walker....I applaud that, and they both didn't look out of place. Well done them. Well done Jaaks, my m o m, saved us 3 times with solid hands and positioning. Well done JAB, many have surrendered and think blooding of players that will play their heart out says the pre season started today (nice phrase) because some of these players are for future. Better things await them. It's just, some massive part of this is open for everyone to see. We're not good enough in both boxes, we are where we deserve to be and the anticipation of relegation is in the air. UptheGas... Nope, it'll be down. “ I actually thought we performed well today.”. 🤣 a side fighting for survival were invisible second half. Created not one clear chance the whole game. We had zero spells of pressure the whole game. We didn’t knock it around and play any football at any point. It’s true Martinez and Walker didn’t look out of place in this team, but what is that really saying? Both defences had a shaky game, and neither keeper was particularly worked. the mistakes B***** is now making is chopping and changing shape, system, partnerships and duties far too much. Nor is he keeping it tight enough in the midfield and middle of the pitch. Nor is there enough emphasis on hold up play and keep ball, this is vital to transition into a shape where you overman it somewhere and slip players into pockets of space, instead it’s all too rushed for anyone with flair or creativity to show what they’ve got. We start games with lots of tempo and press, which looks good against everyone, but as soon as B*****’s side, far to reliant on profiting from a hustle and bustle strategy loses energy, it dies on its feet. Emperor - out of interest, what do you feel we were achieving tactically under Garner that has changed / stopped since? It's not a trick question by the way. He was much maligned at the time, but what do you feel was better about the way he set us up?
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Mar 27, 2021 19:43:30 GMT
If you look at everything during Garners tenure as manager, it was an abysmal record, results and recruitment. It was that whole picture he was sacked for. And I am not saying it was always a great watch or not without mistakes in game management, but the mistakes were basically naivety in trying to play open against opponents trying to overload areas with seasoned pros for the win. You can’t do what you want, sometimes you just have to match up what your opponents are doing. That’s my main criticism of B*****. I think when this season started, it started hot, clubs who had invested in promotion were anticipating COVID curtailment.
Garners record this season alone was a lot better though. I am convinced we played our most convincing stuff and form under him this season than under the managers since. Last season was weird. We had that breakthrough win just as season got halted. You have said yourself in this thread, cocko walked when club in a very high placing, but the high placing did mask a few issues, such as not much back up or fire power if Jonno is out a long time. Ben also had family problems.
On signings, some signing disasters, many still drawing wage here, pre date Garner. It was going to need a busy few windows to get right. I’m also not sure how much say he was allowed in the actual signings. Tisdale wasn’t supported. And Garner was not responsible for the boards grand plan, just a pawn in it. Seems odd for people to blame pawn when the s*** hits fan.
In football terms, if you want to turn a corner and be a contender, you have to hold the ball to transition. You can win games with hustle and bustle, but to go places you need to command games, that means midfield and possession/creativity.
In hindsight all we needed to do was stay up this season really, whilst seeing the young team improve in the second half of the campaign.
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Mar 27, 2021 20:00:18 GMT
Home commentary is so bad. Rodman a really unnecessary mouthpiece for the club, telling us all about how great training is and everyone is a good lad like everything is tickety-boo. i’m not sure. The gaschat boys say some weird stuff, like they had us dominating the first half today on their scorecard. But I was finding the behind the scenes gas intel very listenable. On Grant for example we learnt he sees himself as a centre back, feels more confident at home there. Interesting.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Mar 27, 2021 20:15:29 GMT
Is it me? Is it us? Does the systemic abuse of watching your beloved team huff and puff every match only to struggle to create half chances and not score, only for us to concede similar half chances and lose the match? ...is this akin to watching footballing self harm? Where we are and have been for so long plays out in the same, sad story? ...where we are doomed to repeat such endeavours like Prometheus liver being ripped from his body every day? Are we in some sort of punishment, or is this self inflicted? So confused.. Maybe because we are set up to fail, I actually feel more upbeat and satisfied (in terms of confident as to where we are in our impending doom), I actually thought we performed well today. More or less matched a credible opposition. More or less competed with promotion candidates. Well done newbies, Martinez and Walker....I applaud that, and they both didn't look out of place. Well done them. Well done Jaaks, my m o m, saved us 3 times with solid hands and positioning. Well done JAB, many have surrendered and think blooding of players that will play their heart out says the pre season started today (nice phrase) because some of these players are for future. Better things await them. It's just, some massive part of this is open for everyone to see. We're not good enough in both boxes, we are where we deserve to be and the anticipation of relegation is in the air. UptheGas... Nope, it'll be down. “ I actually thought we performed well today.”. 🤣 a side fighting for survival were invisible second half. Created not one clear chance the whole game. We had zero spells of pressure the whole game. We didn’t knock it around and play any football at any point. It’s true Martinez and Walker didn’t look out of place in this team, but what is that really saying? Both defences had a shaky game, and neither keeper was particularly worked. the mistakes B***** is now making is chopping and changing shape, system, partnerships and duties far too much. Nor is he keeping it tight enough in the midfield and middle of the pitch. Nor is there enough emphasis on hold up play and keep ball, this is vital to transition into a shape where you overman it somewhere and slip players into pockets of space, instead it’s all too rushed for anyone with flair or creativity to show what they’ve got. We start games with lots of tempo and press, which looks good against everyone, but as soon as B*****’s side, far to reliant on profiting from a hustle and bustle strategy loses energy, it dies on its feet. Then it is just me.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Mar 27, 2021 20:26:40 GMT
Garners record this season alone was a lot better though. I am convinced we played our most convincing stuff and form under him this season.... 🤭 😆🤣😂😆 Convincing!? Convinced we would be relegated. The most delusional post, that even if true doomed us to relegation because BG wasn't removed soon enough. Do everyone a favour.... ? You can quote stats as much as you like, start and stop time as much as you like, but there's no doubt about it....we are where we are because of BG no matter how it which way you choose to cut it....and a this new season rubbish, previous managers weren't afforded such luxury, GC and DC had to stand for what they done with the tools left to them. BG made it worse. Look where we are now? Diabolical post.
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Post by The Concept on Mar 27, 2021 20:52:10 GMT
I've no idea what the formation was today - a 'swirl'? People cropping up in different positions all over the pitch. Bit like volleyball where you swap around after every point. Funny thing was we didn't do too bad.
Thought we'd be thumped today, but Sunderland weren't really all that in the end. Again, if we take our chances when we have them, and don't switch off at set pieces, it could have been a different outcome. It's been like that all season long.
I do think we've got some decent players, and personally think we should be a mid-table team on paper. It seems to me the psychological side is lacking.
There are some players I really like, and it is sad to think we are likely to lose the likes of Sammy and Anssi if we go down.
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Mar 27, 2021 21:52:18 GMT
Garners record this season alone was a lot better though. I am convinced we played our most convincing stuff and form under him this season.... 🤭 😆🤣😂😆 Convincing!? Convinced we would be relegated. The most delusional post, that even if true doomed us to relegation because BG wasn't removed soon enough. Do everyone a favour.... ? You can quote stats as much as you like, start and stop time as much as you like, but there's no doubt about it....we are where we are because of BG no matter how it which way you choose to cut it....and a this new season rubbish, previous managers weren't afforded such luxury, GC and DC had to stand for what they done with the tools left to them. BG made it worse. Look where we are now? Diabolical post. Attachment DeletedAttachment Deleted
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Post by CabbagePatchBlues on Mar 28, 2021 6:13:17 GMT
Ten games in, mid table, he's taking us down knee jerk. Twenty-eight games, two inept managers and a caretaker later we're going down and it's all his fault. You couldn't make it up.
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Mar 28, 2021 7:21:59 GMT
Ten games in, mid table, he's taking us down knee jerk. Twenty-eight games, two inept managers and a caretaker later we're going down and it's all his fault. You couldn't make it up. “Diabolical” isn’t it?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2021 8:04:27 GMT
Ten games in, mid table, he's taking us down knee jerk. Twenty-eight games, two inept managers and a caretaker later we're going down and it's all his fault. You couldn't make it up. “Diabolical” isn’t it? Just read the latest article from Sam Frost squarely blaming Garner and Tisdale for the current position. An interesting argument, although one I’m finding a bit boring and repetitive now, if not toxic. I wonder what his user name is on Gaschat? One blamed Garner for yesterday’s result and said heads must roll. Can we sack Garner again?
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