basel
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Post by basel on Mar 27, 2021 10:09:27 GMT
The great reset will mean we go back to signing players suited to win games and have a good season. Regarding age of these players,well we won't sign younger players for the sake of it. This ageist positive discrimination experiment has proven a ridiculous flop Age does'nt come into it. Quality of a player does. Raise that and you raise the standard of the team. This means that the younger players signed or coming through the ranks have to be of a decent standard.Don't worry,we'll still sell them for big cash now and again. On the the other hand we won't waste so much time and money on young players who just won't make it or are being held back by the low quality of the collective. This does'nt need a massive amount of 'thinking about it's for weeks. Commonsense football. The player that Tisdale had signed for next season is 29 so maybe he had already started the great reset. Sounds like it PHE.He being a decent manager. As you know I rate Paul Tisdale,but he did'nt survive TWs back stabbing. "We are where we are" as the other PT use to say. TWs days are numbered at Rovers ay? I hope so.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Mar 27, 2021 10:14:36 GMT
I get all that, and to some extent I agree about the situation. But, if X posts y on here because X has had some flirtings with the club, axe to grind etc etc etc, or whatever, it's accepted. If JAB copy pastes contents of y, it's automatically seized on..... usually by X amongst others!? It's the same message! Fair point and I won’t deny the fact that I’m staggered at how Rovers want to get into bed with a guy like B*****. Even the altercation on the beach hanging over him would not be as much of an issue but the guy was involved in an altercation where teeth were extracted *whilst performing his managerial duties*. In some professions you would be banned from carrying out your job purely for safe guarding reasons until the facts had been established. In the crazy world of football and because violence against men is confined by society B***** is allowed to carry on like it never happened. It honestly just beggars belief. But even that aside, if we were to judge B***** purely on his managerial ability at Rovers, why does anyone think he is the man to build a club around? He says he is a winner but what has he won? Certainly nothing as a manager. He was on a run of 1 win in 9 at Fleetwood when he was sacked for “political reasons” (I’m sure that dismal run had nothing to do with it because Joey was doing such an excellent job) and he’s continued where he left off at Rovers. Let’s be honest here, if it was John Q Manager who had come in everyone would be wanting him sacked after failing to beat Wigan, Swindon and Wimbledon but because it’s B***** he’s being given a depth of lee-way he has not shown he deserves and rather than resolve to work harder he is spending his free time explaining to the press why it’s anyone else’s fault but his. You just wouldn’t stand for it from anyone who was a law abiding, albeit boring character. I agree. And, while we are a bickering about what he says, for me and others I want to know what mistakes he learned v Plymouth that he won't do again v Sunderland.. It's all a distraction. A distraction from some of the mistakes he's made in his team selection, formation set up, slow to react in real game time and timing of substitutions. JAB has to take responsibility for his own decisions, because some of the games we lost we should definitely have come out with points from.... and subsequent, we wouldn't be in relegation zone.
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vaughan
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Post by vaughan on Mar 27, 2021 10:21:30 GMT
Look this is my theory.
Tisdale spoke out, TW was in Wael's ear and Tisdale was gone. There was a TW supported theory that it was just a case of motivating the players. TW was covering his backside.
Wael changed tack completely and chose an out and out football man in B*****, who has persuaded Wael of how bad the FC was operating. That was not a TW or MS appointment.
B***** is not being gagged. Why? Because the owner is accepting what he is saying and how he is saying it.
The Great Reset is to allow B***** to have total autonomy on football matters, including recruitment. This is backed by Wael.
Conclusion
TW is toast. MS will have to go to hypnotherapy to remove DNA from his consciousness. Recruitment will be pragmatic and done via JB and his contacts.
So which bits of the Garner model do you wish to preserve or is your opposition more about the brutal bad-boy B*****.
#boohiss
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2021 10:30:13 GMT
Look this is my theory. Tisdale spoke out, TW was in Wael's ear and Tisdale was gone. There was a TW supported theory that it was just a case of motivating the players. TW was covering his backside. Wael changed tack completely and chose an out and out football man in B*****, who has persuaded Wael of how bad the FC was operating. That was not a TW or MS appointment. B***** is not being gagged. Why? Because the owner is accepting what he is saying and how he is saying it. The Great Reset is to allow B***** to have total autonomy on football matters, including recruitment. This is backed by Wael. Conclusion TW is toast. MS will have to go to hypnotherapy to remove DNA from his consciousness. Recruitment will be pragmatic and done via JB and his contacts. So which bits of the Garner model do you wish to preserve or is your opposition more about the brutal bad-boy B*****. #boohiss I think you have it spot on there Vaughan. I can't see Widdrington surviving after having his card marked early doors and total silence since. I also have a feeling that Martyn Starnes will survive as Wael needs him to oversee his massive investment. The alternative is one of Bartons contacts to takeover the role. He has connections with the old Chester City regime but that might not be possible due to their past record. Uncannily they are named Vaughan.
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willy
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Post by willy on Mar 27, 2021 10:30:47 GMT
Look this is my theory. Tisdale spoke out, TW was in Wael's ear and Tisdale was gone. There was a TW supported theory that it was just a case of motivating the players. TW was covering his backside. Wael changed tack completely and chose an out and out football man in B*****, who has persuaded Wael of how bad the FC was operating. That was not a TW or MS appointment. B***** is not being gagged. Why? Because the owner is accepting what he is saying and how he is saying it. The Great Reset is to allow B***** to have total autonomy on football matters, including recruitment. This is backed by Wael. Conclusion TW is toast. MS will have to go to hypnotherapy to remove DNA from his consciousness. Recruitment will be pragmatic and done via JB and his contacts. So which bits of the Garner model do you wish to preserve or is your opposition more about the brutal bad-boy B*****. #boohiss so waels hired B***** to get rid of tw and ms because he hasn't got the balls to do it? Wipe the slate clean and start again!
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vaughan
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Post by vaughan on Mar 27, 2021 10:48:39 GMT
I think that the Great reset has emerged, but Wael chose B***** and TW's departure will be the consequence.
Note how TW was so sensitive about the implied TW criticism and Olly's dig.
The turning point was that Wael decided to abandon Project Garner and go back to a real football man to run the entire show. Rovers fans might look back on this and thank him for this change of mind. In truth, our Academy and U23 approach has delivered very little, but jam tomorrow assurances.
JB would be attractive to Wael. Big personality, but can talk the football hind-legs off a donkey. Wael is a football enthusiast and so Wael being influenced by B***** to be radical in thought and deed is an inevitable consequence.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2021 11:01:32 GMT
Give over, this isn't and never was part of any great plan to restructure anything about how the club is organised.
It was a panic appointment because we were losing games and Wael didn't know what else to do.
He had Widdrington in one ear saying one thing, those were nice words, Tisdale in the other saying something different, those were difficult words, so regardless of right or wrong Tisdale went.
What exactly is a 'real football man'?
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vaughan
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Post by vaughan on Mar 27, 2021 11:13:56 GMT
I thought that you might struggle with that phrase, Bambi.
Soneone who has a passion for football, knowledge and lives and breathes it.
Just like you, eh? 😂😂😂
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kingswood Polak
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Post by kingswood Polak on Mar 27, 2021 11:21:46 GMT
Did the SC actually do that? If they did then Jim must have abandoned his unconditional board support policy. Thats well known, clearly based on Masters rants.
Thats a point, where has Masters got to since being kicked out? Even more quiet than when he was quiet (perhaps he can be Joeys next target and the foum can go into the next stage of disaray.)
The best of all would be if Joey let rip on Wael's design of the training ground or stratgey for a new ground. I fear Swiss would spontaneously combust in somehow desperately trying to find some form of negative response whilst Bambi would somehow have to argue about Joeys glasses or the hat he was wearing whilst saying it.
#Poster malfunction #Forum disaray
#BooHiss
So well known that i can Find no link to any evidence , strange post
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kingswood Polak
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Post by kingswood Polak on Mar 27, 2021 11:31:23 GMT
Look this is my theory. Tisdale spoke out, TW was in Wael's ear and Tisdale was gone. There was a TW supported theory that it was just a case of motivating the players. TW was covering his backside. Wael changed tack completely and chose an out and out football man in B*****, who has persuaded Wael of how bad the FC was operating. That was not a TW or MS appointment. B***** is not being gagged. Why? Because the owner is accepting what he is saying and how he is saying it. The Great Reset is to allow B***** to have total autonomy on football matters, including recruitment. This is backed by Wael. Conclusion TW is toast. MS will have to go to hypnotherapy to remove DNA from his consciousness. Recruitment will be pragmatic and done via JB and his contacts. So which bits of the Garner model do you wish to preserve or is your opposition more about the brutal bad-boy B*****. #boohiss Supposition though. Wael has gone to ground. We know nothing.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2021 11:32:59 GMT
I thought that you might struggle with that phrase, Bambi. Soneone who has a passion for football, knowledge and lives and breathes it. Just like you, eh? 😂😂😂 In normal times many hundreds of thousands of people display their passion by paying to get in to watch their team, often with the expectation that they'll be paying to leave frustrated. So can you clarify in what way 'passion' makes anybody's judgement any better? Knowledge. Well, Punchy had a decent career in the top flight, undeniable, but we aren't asking him to play a PL style chess match here, we are asking him to organise relatively limited players in a physical division, with unpredictable officials, on average playing surfaces, and get results. He's done this job once, at Fleetwood, with a massive budget, and come up short. He's been here a quarter of a season, his record so far, against worse opposition is absolutely identical to Tisdale's. So it's not working out so well, is it. Breaths football. Hyperbolic claptrap. It was a panic appointment by a spoiled kid, who isn't used to this type of thing going wrong in his life. As for your theory about who will survive in this new Rovers world, you may be right that B***** will be allowed more control than a manager has seen here before, but of all the people who post on either forum Swiss is, for me, the most considered and insightful, and he appears to be suggesting that Wael may be well advised to consider how much control he relinquishes and to keep a close eye on the people who are hovering around the club.
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Post by a more piratey game on Mar 27, 2021 12:15:23 GMT
Look this is my theory. Tisdale spoke out, TW was in Wael's ear and Tisdale was gone. There was a TW supported theory that it was just a case of motivating the players. TW was covering his backside. Wael changed tack completely and chose an out and out football man in B*****, who has persuaded Wael of how bad the FC was operating. That was not a TW or MS appointment. B***** is not being gagged. Why? Because the owner is accepting what he is saying and how he is saying it. The Great Reset is to allow B***** to have total autonomy on football matters, including recruitment. This is backed by Wael. Conclusion TW is toast. MS will have to go to hypnotherapy to remove DNA from his consciousness. Recruitment will be pragmatic and done via JB and his contacts. So which bits of the Garner model do you wish to preserve or is your opposition more about the brutal bad-boy B*****. #boohiss I think you have it spot on there Vaughan. I can't see Widdrington surviving after having his card marked early doors and total silence since. I also have a feeling that Martyn Starnes will survive as Wael needs him to oversee his massive investment. The alternative is one of Bartons contacts to takeover the role. He has connections with the old Chester City regime but that might not be possible due to their past record. Uncannily they are named Vaughan. I'm not sure I don't think Wael will appreciate the publicity about the cancer at his club. I think Tis fell out with Widders, and only had modest results so was moved on just when high-profile Joey was available so a bit of a panic move, which Wael probably isn't enjoying at present but which he must wait until season-end before taking any further action on
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vaughan
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Post by vaughan on Mar 27, 2021 13:18:08 GMT
I await another conspiracy theory from Swiss Gas on how this is all a plot for someone from B*****'s murky past to seek influence to leverage control over Wael, forcing the inevitable sale of the Mem. Picture the locked Mem gates, which with his insight (😂😂😂), he confidently predicted before the capitalisation of debt.
So many of you are so cynical about this Club and even its owner, that you can not even recognise facts.
He even undermined the building of the training ground. Flawed logic yet again. If Wael would only listen to me...as I understand business. Wael has a Harvard MBA, but he needs to listen to me..... I can throw around words like sustainability, cash flow, etc. The reality reflects what is bugging Masters and so many on here. Wael is in complete control and there is SWEET FA that any of you can do about it, apart from threaten to walk away..but seemingly not from this Forum. 😂😂
To compund your misery, he has decided to join up with Bad Boy B*****.
OMG 😤
#boohiss
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kingswood Polak
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Post by kingswood Polak on Mar 27, 2021 13:22:48 GMT
I await another conspiracy theory from Swiss Gas on how this is all a plot for someone from B*****'s murky past to seek influence to leverage control over Wael, forcing the inevitable sale of the Mem. Picture the locked Mem gates, which with his insight (😂😂😂), he confidently predicted before the capitalisation of debt. So many of you are so cynical about this Club and even its owner, that you can not even recognise facts. He even undermined the building of the training ground. Flawed logic yet again. If Wael would only listen to me...as I understand business. Wael has a Harvard MBA, but he needs to listen to me..... I can throw around words like sustainability, cash flow, etc. The reality reflects what is bugging Masters and so many on here. Wael is in complete control and there is SWEET FA that any of you can do about it, apart from threaten to walk away..but seemingly not from this Forum. 😂😂 To compund your misery, he has decided to join up with Bad Boy B*****. OMG 😤 #boohiss Predicted ? Gave an opinion of what could happen. Also gave reasons why the training ground money could have been used another way and money invested in the team. The posts you used to post were nothing short of venomous , towards Wael. Has gaschat binned you then ?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2021 13:39:50 GMT
Look this is my theory. Tisdale spoke out, TW was in Wael's ear and Tisdale was gone. There was a TW supported theory that it was just a case of motivating the players. TW was covering his backside. Wael changed tack completely and chose an out and out football man in B*****, who has persuaded Wael of how bad the FC was operating. That was not a TW or MS appointment. B***** is not being gagged. Why? Because the owner is accepting what he is saying and how he is saying it. The Great Reset is to allow B***** to have total autonomy on football matters, including recruitment. This is backed by Wael. Conclusion TW is toast. MS will have to go to hypnotherapy to remove DNA from his consciousness. Recruitment will be pragmatic and done via JB and his contacts. So which bits of the Garner model do you wish to preserve or is your opposition more about the brutal bad-boy B*****. #boohiss Imo there is nothing to preserve at all. Every part of the footballing side is awful for different reasons. Wael: the fish rots from the head and he’s the head. He knows sod all about running a club, but that’s fine because he can hire people who do, except he hasn’t. He is not going anywhere and he is bank rolling the club so I hope he hires people to gut the club and head hunt the best we can afford to run the club in the manner of an Accrington. Starnes: what has he achieved as CEO at Plymouth? Has presided over the hiring of Garner, Tisdale and B*****, how much he had to do with each of those we obviously don’t know, as such I’ve cooled on Starnes but would still think we should be bringing in a CEO with a bigger profile, eg presiding over clear over-achievement at a small club. Widdrington: Imo the real villain of the piece. Lurking in the shadows, pursuing the ultimate goal of unaccountability. Operates the tombola that produces names for the manager to sign and then makes clear to the media that what happens from there is all the manager’s fault and nothing to do with the quality of the tombola. His abrasiveness makes me wonder how any manager is supposed to colloborate with him and putting various bits and pieces together it seems that he holds considerable power behind the scenes and can make or break how successful the manager is in both signing players and how well he does his job. His CV is hardly stellar and doesn’t support why he has so much influence. Also I notice recently a comment about how Rovers do not scout the local area anymore. It seems mad that for a club dedicated to producing sellable assets we don’t seem to be putting in the effort to find those youngsters on our doorstep. Have we given up because of Cardiff, Bristol City and Southampton operating in the area? It raises questions about the scouting network we are running. Mind you, Accrington’s success raises questions about the scouting network we are running. The Gills complaining about our over spending compared to theirs and them knocking on the door of the play offs raises questions about our scouting! Why are we getting it so wrong?! Widdrington has simply got to go and we need to sort our scouting out as the top priority before we even think about what players to sign. B*****: So there is two elements to this. Firstly it’s scandalous he is here. People can dumb the conversation down and talk of pantomime villains but it’s worth reminding them that what they are dumbing down is teeth falling out in a communal player’s area. I’m literally staggered how people can think it’s acceptable to employ someone who has that hanging over their head as a football manager rather than a shelf stacker or warehouse picker. The club’s professionalism has gone out the window. Get rid. But then you have B***** as the managerial entity, what has he done well to mitigate the selling of the soul that has taken place? Well, he’s lost games, to crap teams. And whinged a lot about how it’s not his fault. And he’s supposed to be the great saviour to rebuild the club?! Pffffffft. So there you have it, under performance in pretty much every avenue that has a bearing on the football team. I honestly don’t see how any of that lot merits staying in their jobs. Certainly not the CEO and HOR who have presided over a monumental collapse in the club’s fortunes on the pitch over 15 months, chief of which was appointing Garner which most could see was an absolute disaster waiting to happen. If we stay up by a point, everyone will keep their job, the club will consider it a successful season and carry on and we’ll do it all again soon. Relegation could see us not come back up for years but it’s the only way lessons are learnt and that enough ass will be kicked that the club can turn the corner. The club is between the devil and the deep blue sea.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2021 13:40:04 GMT
Thats well known, clearly based on Masters rants.
Thats a point, where has Masters got to since being kicked out? Even more quiet than when he was quiet (perhaps he can be Joeys next target and the foum can go into the next stage of disaray.)
The best of all would be if Joey let rip on Wael's design of the training ground or stratgey for a new ground. I fear Swiss would spontaneously combust in somehow desperately trying to find some form of negative response whilst Bambi would somehow have to argue about Joeys glasses or the hat he was wearing whilst saying it.
#Poster malfunction #Forum disaray
#BooHiss
So well known that i can Find no link to any evidence , strange post Where the hell are you looking. Try Googling 'Ken Masters Bristol Rovers' Found it in a nano second
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vaughan
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Post by vaughan on Mar 27, 2021 13:41:37 GMT
Owner...capitalisation of debt...support through Pandemic...free of DS...refused to rise to the Masters / SC nonsense
Does that count for nothing?
Biggest mistake was Garner and some kind of DNA / model. With hindsight, that has set us back 2-3 seasons.
So pros and cons.
Deep down, somw of you will never like him as you have no influence and that's what grates, gnawing away..
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2021 13:48:21 GMT
I await another conspiracy theory from Swiss Gas on how this is all a plot for someone from B*****'s murky past to seek influence to leverage control over Wael, forcing the inevitable sale of the Mem. Picture the locked Mem gates, which with his insight (😂😂😂), he confidently predicted before the capitalisation of debt. So many of you are so cynical about this Club and even its owner, that you can not even recognise facts. He even undermined the building of the training ground. Flawed logic yet again. If Wael would only listen to me...as I understand business. Wael has a Harvard MBA, but he needs to listen to me..... I can throw around words like sustainability, cash flow, etc. The reality reflects what is bugging Masters and so many on here. Wael is in complete control and there is SWEET FA that any of you can do about it, apart from threaten to walk away..but seemingly not from this Forum. 😂😂 To compund your misery, he has decided to join up with Bad Boy B*****. OMG 😤 #boohiss It is indeed breathtakingly brilliant. Some people are in a loop of forum malfunction Martin Dobson dismantling the Gerry dynsasty in 6 weeks and Malcolm Alison appearing as a consultant whilst Dennis Rofe was taking us down the pan was not a patch on this. (never found out if Swiss was still on the board during that comedy show) #Poster malfunction #forum disaray #Boohiss
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2021 13:58:09 GMT
Owner...capitalisation of debt...support through Pandemic...free of DS...refused to rise to the Masters / SC nonsense Does that count for nothing? Biggest mistake was Garner and some kind of DNA / model. With hindsight, that has set us back 2-3 seasons. So pros and cons. Deep down, somw of you will never like him as you have no influence and that's what grates, gnawing away.. I'm in the I support Wael group. Like Gasandproud who has had personal dealings with Wael, I think he has been badly let down by those he employed to support him and look after his investment. I hope for his sake that he is strong enough to put that right soon and for the sake of the football club. I have disagreed with his last three managerial appointments though.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2021 14:05:02 GMT
Owner...capitalisation of debt...support through Pandemic...free of DS...refused to rise to the Masters / SC nonsense Does that count for nothing? Biggest mistake was Garner and some kind of DNA / model. With hindsight, that has set us back 2-3 seasons. So pros and cons. Deep down, somw of you will never like him as you have no influence and that's what grates, gnawing away.. I think we would be fine with no influence if the owner was making the correct decisions or his sub-ordinates were. We needed someone with a bit of common sense to pull the chuffing brake on Garner. Mind you, some of the fans thought Garner was a good idea too so a fan’s director is not automatically the steady hand on the tiller when the owner and CEO and DOF have a collective brain fart.
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