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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2021 16:28:59 GMT
Just for clarity so this isn’t just booing and hissing, and in the name of balance: I am sure B***** is right in a lot he says and if he can deliver it then fair play - particularly re. Tommy W I am impressed with both his wins but overall his record is crap Not going into why I didn’t want him here but not impressed with the ever increasing array of blame and excuses. Jimmy F, fat referees, negligent predecessors etc. He said he’d fix the football side easily. He hasn’t. But he does have an excuse for that
Yes there’s a moral aspect but please don’t keep chucking that at us when results, actions and words so far spell out bull sh&t to me.
Others like Vaughan are sold on it and I get that, that’s fine. But I can tell you a hundred reasons why I think Donald Trump was crap at his job, it doesn’t mean I’d make a decent US president myself
Maybe he will turn the club around around and I’ll happily eat humble pie. I’ll never support him or want him here, but I’ll take my hat off to him if he achieves half of what he spouts
Is that reasonable enough?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2021 16:31:34 GMT
Just for clarity so this isn’t just booing and hissing, and in the name of balance: I am sure B***** is right in a lot he says and if he can deliver it then fair play - particularly re. Tommy W I am impressed with both his wins but overall his record is crap Not going into why I didn’t want him here but not impressed with the ever increasing array of blame and excuses. Jimmy F, fat referees, negligent predecessors etc. He said he’d fix the football side easily. He hasn’t. But he does have an excuse for that Yes there’s a moral aspect but please don’t keep chucking that at us when results, actions and words so far spell out bull sh&t to me. Others like Vaughan are sold on it and I get that, that’s fine. But I can tell you a hundred reasons why I think Donald Trump was crap at his job, it doesn’t mean I’d make a decent US president myself Maybe he will turn the club around around and I’ll happily eat humble pie. I’ll never support him or want him here, but I’ll take my hat off to him if he achieves half of what he spouts Is that reasonable enough? I'm feeling that, well said.
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Post by swissgas on Mar 26, 2021 16:49:42 GMT
This is what I don't understand..... Many on here have pre JAB complained about ragbag Rovers, lack of professionalism, individuals within the club abilities, etc etc etc..... sometimes poster's claim to have inside information on the workings of the club or prior knowledge, but you don't have to look far for that. JAB affirms what some of this forum think in this interview, without naming individuals and all of a sudden it's criticised? Some of you should be praising him because he's reflecting what has been posted on here for months, but I don't understand why this isn't the case? The short answer is that we weren't born yesterday and can see what his true motives are. But surely it is clear to anyone looking at this objectively that : a) B*****'s track record shows he is a disruptor not a builder so while we can all see the club is a mess he has none of the credentials necessary to sort it out. And, unfortunately, this is made glaringly obvious when not a million miles from the Mem there is a recently appointed football manager who has the right credentials and whom we would have to listen to and take seriously if he was at Rovers. b) How can the manager's "great reset" have any credibility when our owner has not said a word about it ?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2021 18:22:01 GMT
As soon as I heard the interview, I knew that the boo and hiss brigade would be out on here. You never fail to disappoint and I love it when you use your collective code of ethics card for what is sport aka pantomime. The saintly crew. B***** is brutal in his analysis. One thing that we know is that he has the support of the owner after this week's outbursts. In this interview, he has crticised the recruitment ref lack of experience. Absolutely spot-on. Thank you for re-affirming everything that we have been saying. He also accused previous coaches of negligence and points to Garner as a akin to school teacher. Again, spot on. He was a likeable coach, nothing more. He has also praised his young squad for having a willingness to learn. Upshot: TW to go - justified. This will happen on 10th May. Maher / Mesure to go - justified. Too many coaches. Starnes to retire because his DNA / continuity arguments now look ridiculous. My take. Wael is more clever than we thought. He has appointed B***** mainly because he is a total football enthusiast like himself. Wael has recognised that this whole "sh*t show" needs to be ripped up and has brought in the abrasive B***** to light the proverbial fuse. It's going to get messy, but as pantomimes go, it's quite enjoyable to watch. But you lot keep on booing and hissing, as it adds to the atmosphere. My only advice to Joey is to change his stage name to Jose Bartonio. What’s that John Lydon quote? “Ever get the feeling you’ve been cheated”? I imagine the B***** fan club are going to be able to relate very strongly when B***** eventually exits stage left.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2021 18:25:05 GMT
I’d be interested to hear that conversation, when Joey puts his managerial medals on the table next to Tisdales and tells him everything he’s done wrong
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Post by vaughan on Mar 26, 2021 18:27:30 GMT
There was an interesting question about principles.
What I care about more than anything else is 3 points and League tables, plus conveying disgust occassionally about crap family stands.
Would I sell my granny for 3 points? I might think about a short-term rental.
I haven't fallen head over heels with Joey's Make Rovers Great Again crusade, but I don't disagree much with his findings.
He is a disruptor, but he will appeal to sections of the fan base. Some of you detest Olly, so what chance B*****?
To answer your question KP on Wael. Only our fanbase would so quickly overlook the importance of £20 million investment. In the world of BRFC, the word is unprecedented. It changed my mind.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2021 18:38:06 GMT
This is what I don't understand..... Many on here have pre JAB complained about ragbag Rovers, lack of professionalism, individuals within the club abilities, etc etc etc..... sometimes poster's claim to have inside information on the workings of the club or prior knowledge, but you don't have to look far for that. JAB affirms what some of this forum think in this interview, without naming individuals and all of a sudden it's criticised? Some of you should be praising him because he's reflecting what has been posted on here for months, but I don't understand why this isn't the case? He was spot on a few weeks back It was novel and interesting once upon a time. But it’s every interview since he started and in that time we have lost to s*** teams and fallen into the relegation zone. Bored of it now. Now, I look past his excuses and directly ask B*****: “what have you done for Rovers lately?” And the answer is “show useless defenders videos of Franco Baresi”, oh, sod all then. Right. And you’re the man to re-build this club? Right-o. Anyone with a shred of critical thought will have noticed how the tone has changed since B***** came in. Full of piss and wind he told us that he had done his research, the players were good enough etc. He then told us a game or two later he wasn’t here to cast aspersions on what had gone before, which I respected- it was very professional compared to Widdrington digging out Tisdale as soon as he was out the door. But it didn’t last did it? A defeat or two later and B***** is staring his own lack of ability in the face. He hasn’t got the new manager bounce, the players aren’t scared of him and all the things he usually relied on at Fleetwood isn’t working. Now he’s lashing out. The best defence of his reputation is attack. Blaming his predecessors who he refused to blame a few weeks ago. Blaming the refs. Blaming the culture at the club. ”it’s not me guv! The club was dead when I got here!” He is maximising the problems whilst minimising his contribution to them. Meanwhile, while he’s been chatting **** the club have slipped into the relegation zone, which they had managed to stay out of for quite a long time. It’s amazing that people are so hard of thinking that they can’t see B*****’s game. It’s plain as day to see that he is backing away from a job that he was happy to take on and that he heavily researched (or so he claimed). Did nobody else notice how he also made sure to work in how he got sacked at Fleetwood but because of a political decision? Why do you think he’s throwing in that bit of doggerel irrelevance? “Please Mr Chairmen, I’m perfect and was fired from Fleetwood because I was too good for them! Hire me! Hire me!” He’s playing you lot like a Stradivarius and that’s because he’s either very good at it or because you lot are easy marks. A bit of both I suspect. What he lacks in managerial talent he makes up for in being able to talk a half convincing game to those who want desperately to believe.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2021 18:41:56 GMT
I’d be interested to hear that conversation, when Joey puts his managerial medals on the table next to Tisdales and tells him everything he’s done wrong Yeah, a managerial masterclass from a guy who couldn’t beat Wigan, Wimbledon or Swindon. I’d pay between £3 and £4.99 for that off Udemy.
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Post by a more piratey game on Mar 26, 2021 18:45:20 GMT
one of the things I like about Tis was that I could believe what he said (and he said things very articulately)
with Joeybag it's very different
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2021 18:57:21 GMT
Just for clarity so this isn’t just booing and hissing, and in the name of balance: I am sure B***** is right in a lot he says and if he can deliver it then fair play - particularly re. Tommy W I am impressed with both his wins but overall his record is crap Not going into why I didn’t want him here but not impressed with the ever increasing array of blame and excuses. Jimmy F, fat referees, negligent predecessors etc. He said he’d fix the football side easily. He hasn’t. But he does have an excuse for that Yes there’s a moral aspect but please don’t keep chucking that at us when results, actions and words so far spell out bull sh&t to me. Others like Vaughan are sold on it and I get that, that’s fine. But I can tell you a hundred reasons why I think Donald Trump was crap at his job, it doesn’t mean I’d make a decent US president myself Maybe he will turn the club around around and I’ll happily eat humble pie. I’ll never support him or want him here, but I’ll take my hat off to him if he achieves half of what he spouts Is that reasonable enough? I’d love to join that school of thought but as time passes I just can’t believe we have hired a guy who got involved in an altercation with another manager while doing his job. I keep thinking it’s a joke or a bad dream because I can’t believe that any club would go there after he left Fleetwood, least of all mine. How basic do you have to be to hire someone like that until the outcome of the case is decided? The best bit is that we were told it was B***** or relegation. The price of holding your nose was that Rovers would stay up. He’s come in and done WORSE than his predecessors and his interviews now make him look like a total bluffer. Dear oh dear Rovers. Dear oh dear.
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Post by vaughan on Mar 26, 2021 19:38:49 GMT
In terms of presentation, I was much more of a Tis man myself. I look forward to speaking to him when he or his son are playing for Biddestone Cricket Club this season. Games last longer than his Friday morning training sessions.
However, B***** is no fool. He is disrupting and doing it on purpose. Based on what happened to Tisdale, he could be sacked this evening (oh yes he could) on the basis of being...."brutal". From a historical perspective, his comments were as savage as any managerial press conference that I have EVER heard. He also admits that managers get sacked if they don't get results. So why he is doing this?
Another angle. Maybe after Wael has forked out £20 million and supported club during Pandemic, he might be feeling MIGHTILY peed off? So B***** has been given free rein by the owner to disrupt, whatever it takes. B***** specifically mentions Wael tonight, his investment and the stick that he is getting. Wael and B***** will both get on. Different personalities, but they are bona fide football nuts. Wael has found a football-mad soul mate, which is why he was appointed and MS and TW disappeared from the scene. People forget how much Wael loves English football, which is why he is still here.
Does anyone think that TW can survive this onslaught? B***** is calling out football unprofessionalism, but he would be shot down if Wael was against him saying this.
Wael is coming out of the shadows since taking full control. He has sacked 2 managers in a season. You are not hearing a lot, but he is prepared to wield the axe and B***** is the one getting the stick....the one with blood on the shirt.
Why now? Why not wait until the end of the season? Valid criticism, but not the Joey way. "Great Reset" means that we have accepted that we are going down. Love him or loathe him, he calls it out.
B***** needs to find an axis of support within the dressing room. Maybe Anssi, Kilgour, Leahy and Rodman can provide this. Rodman, who is the most intelligent of the squad, was effusive in his praise for B*****'s methods. I took note.
B***** shoots from the hip, but he is much more calculated than some give him credit for.
Back to the main point. It's shaping up to be a superb pantomime!! #boohiss. We have one most seasons.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2021 19:56:27 GMT
I think Joey B***** is a breath of fresh air. He reminds me of Darrell, and even a little of Ollie. I love it.
The funniest bit is he is saying what some people on this forum have been saying for a long time, but because its JB saying it they are going into meltdown. Its superb, you can sense the confusion in forum members in what to say. Its almost like a malfunction is starting to occur.
(One or two might need to read up on 'emotional intelligence' -it may help a more coherent response.)
As entertainment value goes, popping onto this forum beats I-Follow hands down. Imagine if Joey mentioned capitalising debt..
I think I might actually love Joey, despite his past demeanours. Real love
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Post by vaughan on Mar 26, 2021 20:06:54 GMT
Contradiction - could I please sit next you at the pantomime and we can throw some Haribo at them. They can either eat it or throw it back.
Don't forget that some hate Olly, as he is a fraud as well.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2021 20:16:50 GMT
In terms of presentation, I was much more of a Tis man myself. I look forward to speaking to him when he or his son are playing for Biddestone Cricket Club this season. Games last longer than his Friday morning training sessions. However, B***** is no fool. He is disrupting and doing it on purpose. Based on what happened to Tisdale, he could be sacked this evening (oh yes he could) on the basis of being...."brutal". From a historical perspective, his comments were as savage as any managerial press conference that I have EVER heard. He also admits that managers get sacked if they don't get results. So why he is doing this? Another angle. Maybe after Wael has forked out £20 million and supported club during Pandemic, he might be feeling MIGHTILY peed off? So B***** has been given free rein by the owner to disrupt, whatever it takes. B***** specifically mentions Wael tonight, his investment and the stick that he is getting. Wael and B***** will both get on. Different personalities, but they are bona fide football nuts. Wael has found a football-mad soul mate, which is why he was appointed and MS and TW disappeared from the scene. People forget how much Wael loves English football, which is why he is still here. Does anyone think that TW can survive this onslaught? B***** is calling out football unprofessionalism, but he would be shot down if Wael was against him saying this. Wael is coming out of the shadows since taking full control. He has sacked 2 managers in a season. You are not hearing a lot, but he is prepared to wield the axe and B***** is the one getting the stick....the one with blood on the shirt. Why now? Why not wait until the end of the season? Valid criticism, but not the Joey way. "Great Reset" means that we have accepted that we are going down. Love him or loathe him, he calls it out. B***** needs to find an axis of support within the dressing room. Maybe Anssi, Kilgour, Leahy and Rodman can provide this. Rodman, who is the most intelligent of the squad, was effusive in his praise for B*****'s methods. I took note. B***** shoots from the hip, but he is much more calculated than some give him credit for. Back to the main point. It's shaping up to be a superb pantomime!! #boohiss. We have one most seasons. We have accepted we are going down? I thought it was those who didn’t want Joey who were accepting going down? Now it’s the other way round? Rodman loves Joeys training methods? A lot more players seemed to love Garners. Does that count for anything? No, because it’s a results business, and Joey... oh, forget that. Tried to be constructive about the whole boo hiss thing but whatever. I look forward to you all gloating on here when rovers go down because it’s part of some master blueprint that some of us pantomime characters are clearly too stupid to fully understand
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2021 20:21:56 GMT
Contradiction - could I please sit next you at the pantomime and we can throw some Haribo at them. They can either eat it or throw it back. Don't forget that some hate Olly, as he is a fraud as well.
And Darrell remember, because he wasted money on Payne
And Starnes because he doesnt wear a tie
And Wael because he is not called Steve
Joey Bartons Blue & White Army #BooHiss
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Post by vaughan on Mar 26, 2021 20:57:06 GMT
And Nick Gorringe because he is under 50 and not Keith Brookman.
Look at the behaviour of our so-called SC in last year. Reported our owner for not being fit and proper person.
Yes, it's all a pantomime.
#boohiss
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2021 20:58:57 GMT
Contradiction - could I please sit next you at the pantomime and we can throw some Haribo at them. They can either eat it or throw it back. Don't forget that some hate Olly, as he is a fraud as well.
And Darrell remember, because he wasted money on Payne
And Starnes because he doesnt wear a tie
And Wael because he is not called Steve
Joey Bartons Blue & White Army #BooHiss
I recall three lads leaving the mem in the early 2000’s when Rovers were battling relegation, they looked over their shoulders and shouting “you’ll clap this lot into the conference”. As true now as it was then
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2021 21:04:13 GMT
And Nick Gorringe because he is under 50 and not Keith Brookman. Look at the behaviour of our so-called SC in last year. Reported our owner for not being fit and proper person. Yes, it's all a pantomime. #boohiss Did the SC actually do that? If they did then Jim must have abandoned his unconditional board support policy.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2021 21:27:01 GMT
And Nick Gorringe because he is under 50 and not Keith Brookman. Look at the behaviour of our so-called SC in last year. Reported our owner for not being fit and proper person. Yes, it's all a pantomime. #boohiss Did the SC actually do that? If they did then Jim must have abandoned his unconditional board support policy. Thats well known, clearly based on Masters rants.
Thats a point, where has Masters got to since being kicked out? Even more quiet than when he was quiet (perhaps he can be Joeys next target and the foum can go into the next stage of disaray.)
The best of all would be if Joey let rip on Wael's design of the training ground or stratgey for a new ground. I fear Swiss would spontaneously combust in somehow desperately trying to find some form of negative response whilst Bambi would somehow have to argue about Joeys glasses or the hat he was wearing whilst saying it.
#Poster malfunction #Forum disaray
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Post by vaughan on Mar 26, 2021 21:34:13 GMT
A lot of people spend their time here severely criticising everything that is wrong with Rovers. That's what a Forum is for.
However, an employee comes in and calls out the "sh*t show" and suddenly he's bang out of order. The irony.
I am dubious about the timing and the savagery, but not too bothered. I am more relieved that the owner is going to let the manager sort it out and that the Garner / Academy / DNA model is being abandoned.
Just recruit some decent players, who have a pair and start to get me 3 points.
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