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Post by holmesgas1 on May 2, 2021 20:14:21 GMT
I have tried discussing the points with you, but all you do is twist, such as "UWE is still a possibility", who said that? Also you quote facts which you have no evidence for. I have learnt from 60 years of experience that there are some people you cannot have a sensible discussion with. Unfortunately you fall into that category. Take care and up the gas. Sounds like your definition of 'a sensible discussion' is one held with people who already agree with you. UWE was 'lost' as a potential new home for the club, I think we can agree on that, I don't know why you challenged it. Why not start with the things that I continually say worry me; I can't see where Wael has sufficient income to cover the losses he's running up. We are well over 5 years down the line and we are now relegated and have massive debt, all covered by a charge on the club's home, and I can't see anything happening to change the way that the club is being run which makes me think that this can end anything other than badly for Rovers. So there we go, just 2 points, why should I not worry about those 2 please? It is definition of "lost" I disagree with. If I take Wael at his word he pulled out of a business agreement on UWE that he thought was bad for the Club in the long term. If that is the case I can only thank him. Don't get me wrong I was disappointed as the next person about UWE, but Higgs was desperate so that gives some credence to Wael's position, and I am sure you would agree that if it had put us into a position similar to Coventry and the Ricoh arena it would have been bad for the club. Relegation is sport, I blame TW, BG, Tisdale, and JB more than Wael. Yes he chose the wrong managers in BG and especially Tisdale, but I'm willing to give B***** more time. Getting rid of another manager would be madness at this time. Who would want to come here if you only give a manager 3 months. He also deserves at least one transfer window. He's not a Buckle who says lower your expectations. If anything he is aiming higher than most of the fans, and that sets him up for one massive fall if he fails to get us out of L2 at least. Let's see if he can walk the talk. I believe he has more chance than most, due to knowledge of the game, contacts and drive to be a winner. With respect to debt we are extremely lucky to have Wael. He has written of our debt prior to Covid, and supported us since. We would be gone if Higgs was still here or at best owned by Wonga. (only Higgs could have taken us in to a "payday" loan). Yes we are not sustainable currently, but we were making good progress to cut our cloth prior to covid. You guys keep harping on about the charge he has on the mem... Please explain why I should be worried, because I have heard many a counter argument this is here nor there when he owns over 90% of the club. So, I do not agree with your arguments and see the long term future as positive as long as Wael is willing to stay and put up with the unfounded rubbish that some supporters throw at him.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2021 21:42:44 GMT
Sounds like your definition of 'a sensible discussion' is one held with people who already agree with you. UWE was 'lost' as a potential new home for the club, I think we can agree on that, I don't know why you challenged it. Why not start with the things that I continually say worry me; I can't see where Wael has sufficient income to cover the losses he's running up. We are well over 5 years down the line and we are now relegated and have massive debt, all covered by a charge on the club's home, and I can't see anything happening to change the way that the club is being run which makes me think that this can end anything other than badly for Rovers. So there we go, just 2 points, why should I not worry about those 2 please? It is definition of "lost" I disagree with. If I take Wael at his word he pulled out of a business agreement on UWE that he thought was bad for the Club in the long term. If that is the case I can only thank him. Don't get me wrong I was disappointed as the next person about UWE, but Higgs was desperate so that gives some credence to Wael's position, and I am sure you would agree that if it had put us into a position similar to Coventry and the Ricoh arena it would have been bad for the club. Relegation is sport, I blame TW, BG, Tisdale, and JB more than Wael. Yes he chose the wrong managers in BG and especially Tisdale, but I'm willing to give B***** more time. Getting rid of another manager would be madness at this time. Who would want to come here if you only give a manager 3 months. He also deserves at least one transfer window. He's not a Buckle who says lower your expectations. If anything he is aiming higher than most of the fans, and that sets him up for one massive fall if he fails to get us out of L2 at least. Let's see if he can walk the talk. I believe he has more chance than most, due to knowledge of the game, contacts and drive to be a winner. With respect to debt we are extremely lucky to have Wael. He has written of our debt prior to Covid, and supported us since. We would be gone if Higgs was still here or at best owned by Wonga. (only Higgs could have taken us in to a "payday" loan). Yes we are not sustainable currently, but we were making good progress to cut our cloth prior to covid. You guys keep harping on about the charge he has on the mem... Please explain why I should be worried, because I have heard many a counter argument this is here nor there when he owns over 90% of the club. So, I do not agree with your arguments and see the long term future as positive as long as Wael is willing to stay and put up with the unfounded rubbish that some supporters throw at him. We won't agree I don't think, but it can be civil. Ref your first paragraph, that would make sense, if the new owners were forced into the purchase. They weren't. So either they didn't do due diligence, or they did, decided the deal actually was good for the club but somehow let it slip through their fingers. Not sure how Tisdale can be blamed when he was here through a transfer window and was given no support in terms of strengthening the squad. You have to presume that decision came from Wael. He may have been advised by Widdrington, I have no idea, but the final decision, I would imagine, would have been made by Wael. The numbers don't lie, B***** has been the worst of the managers we've had this season. 1 point per game turned into 0.65 points per game. Maybe he'll do better next season, if he's here, if he's not in prison, but the association has tarnished the brand of our club, and based on his performance and rather strange, somewhat disjointed ramblings, I wouldn't place him as a manager in any department I was responsible for. You didn't address the point that, based on the figures provided by Swiss, for which he's provided a link and page number reference, each season, even pre-Covid, the club was losing more than the entire family was earning from their interest in AJIB. That doesn't appear 'unfounded' to me, it looks like something that should cause some concern?
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Post by bondigas on May 2, 2021 21:56:17 GMT
You have put forward an honest defence of a guy who really doesn't deserve your loyalty. Disingenuous is a kind word to describe our owner, capitalisation of the debt hanging over the club, I don't think so, family internal trade off for Dad's shares, more likely. Only one man had the authority to appoint Garner, you cant blame anyone else, the board of directors doesn't exist, the club is now one man's toy and boy have the batteries run dry. In 5 weeks time the manager is on trial, no one even takes this into account, listening to Clint Hill's post match interview on Saturday you get the feeling that a few more of those could be taking place at the beginning of next season for at least six months. Don't be sucked in, the owner has ring fenced the other fans forum and now he has launched a bombing raid on this forum by guys that he flatters with his own self importance who cant believe their luck that the owner rings them everyday pleading self pity which of course mistakenly they don't recognise. Just be patient, things will unravel over the next few weeks and a lot of people will feel very badly let down when it does.
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Post by holmesgas1 on May 2, 2021 23:03:28 GMT
It is definition of "lost" I disagree with. If I take Wael at his word he pulled out of a business agreement on UWE that he thought was bad for the Club in the long term. If that is the case I can only thank him. Don't get me wrong I was disappointed as the next person about UWE, but Higgs was desperate so that gives some credence to Wael's position, and I am sure you would agree that if it had put us into a position similar to Coventry and the Ricoh arena it would have been bad for the club. Relegation is sport, I blame TW, BG, Tisdale, and JB more than Wael. Yes he chose the wrong managers in BG and especially Tisdale, but I'm willing to give B***** more time. Getting rid of another manager would be madness at this time. Who would want to come here if you only give a manager 3 months. He also deserves at least one transfer window. He's not a Buckle who says lower your expectations. If anything he is aiming higher than most of the fans, and that sets him up for one massive fall if he fails to get us out of L2 at least. Let's see if he can walk the talk. I believe he has more chance than most, due to knowledge of the game, contacts and drive to be a winner. With respect to debt we are extremely lucky to have Wael. He has written of our debt prior to Covid, and supported us since. We would be gone if Higgs was still here or at best owned by Wonga. (only Higgs could have taken us in to a "payday" loan). Yes we are not sustainable currently, but we were making good progress to cut our cloth prior to covid. You guys keep harping on about the charge he has on the mem... Please explain why I should be worried, because I have heard many a counter argument this is here nor there when he owns over 90% of the club. So, I do not agree with your arguments and see the long term future as positive as long as Wael is willing to stay and put up with the unfounded rubbish that some supporters throw at him. We won't agree I don't think, but it can be civil. Ref your first paragraph, that would make sense, if the new owners were forced into the purchase. They weren't. So either they didn't do due diligence, or they did, decided the deal actually was good for the club but somehow let it slip through their fingers. Not sure how Tisdale can be blamed when he was here through a transfer window and was given no support in terms of strengthening the squad. You have to presume that decision came from Wael. He may have been advised by Widdrington, I have no idea, but the final decision, I would imagine, would have been made by Wael. The numbers don't lie, B***** has been the worst of the managers we've had this season. 1 point per game turned into 0.65 points per game. Maybe he'll do better next season, if he's here, if he's not in prison, but the association has tarnished the brand of our club, and based on his performance and rather strange, somewhat disjointed ramblings, I wouldn't place him as a manager in any department I was responsible for. You didn't address the point that, based on the figures provided by Swiss, for which he's provided a link and page number reference, each season, even pre-Covid, the club was losing more than the entire family was earning from their interest in AJIB. That doesn't appear 'unfounded' to me, it looks like something that should cause some concern? This is what makes me smile. You mention due diligence. Many people have bought a company and uncovered things later, and if its a poor deal you walk away. Unless you have a copy of the UWE deal, like me your guessing. The difference is I'm willing to give Wael the benefit of the doubt. Also with respect to Tisdale and January transfer window, you do not know there was no money, though you state as fact. Again wheres the evidence. From the press we were very close to getting Stockley, but he chose a promotion push with Charlton. Therefore there was money available. Lastly I've seen Swiss's figures and to me they prove nothing. Remember with numbers, like statistics if you have an agenda you spin them however you want to prove your point. Others have demonstrated and even the Bristol Post believe we are in a much better financial position. Bondi in his reply states this is all a mirage and almost with glee that this will all fall apart in the next few weeks. If you truly know something that is damaging to our club get it out there, but backed up with real facts. I am sure the press would love to know. Don't just talk in riddles. If it does happen, it will not be something to celebrate, but will put us on par with Swindon, so for the time being I will continue to believe that there is real hope, not the destructive future you portray.
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Post by eppinggas on May 3, 2021 9:32:54 GMT
We won't agree I don't think, but it can be civil. Ref your first paragraph, that would make sense, if the new owners were forced into the purchase. They weren't. So either they didn't do due diligence, or they did, decided the deal actually was good for the club but somehow let it slip through their fingers. Not sure how Tisdale can be blamed when he was here through a transfer window and was given no support in terms of strengthening the squad. You have to presume that decision came from Wael. He may have been advised by Widdrington, I have no idea, but the final decision, I would imagine, would have been made by Wael. The numbers don't lie, B***** has been the worst of the managers we've had this season. 1 point per game turned into 0.65 points per game. Maybe he'll do better next season, if he's here, if he's not in prison, but the association has tarnished the brand of our club, and based on his performance and rather strange, somewhat disjointed ramblings, I wouldn't place him as a manager in any department I was responsible for. You didn't address the point that, based on the figures provided by Swiss, for which he's provided a link and page number reference, each season, even pre-Covid, the club was losing more than the entire family was earning from their interest in AJIB. That doesn't appear 'unfounded' to me, it looks like something that should cause some concern? This is what makes me smile. You mention due diligence. Many people have bought a company and uncovered things later, and if its a poor deal you walk away. Unless you have a copy of the UWE deal, like me your guessing. The difference is I'm willing to give Wael the benefit of the doubt. Also with respect to Tisdale and January transfer window, you do not know there was no money, though you state as fact. Again wheres the evidence. From the press we were very close to getting Stockley, but he chose a promotion push with Charlton. Therefore there was money available. Lastly I've seen Swiss's figures and to me they prove nothing. Remember with numbers, like statistics if you have an agenda you spin them however you want to prove your point. Others have demonstrated and even the Bristol Post believe we are in a much better financial position. Bondi in his reply states this is all a mirage and almost with glee that this will all fall apart in the next few weeks. If you truly know something that is damaging to our club get it out there, but backed up with real facts. I am sure the press would love to know. Don't just talk in riddles. If it does happen, it will not be something to celebrate, but will put us on par with Swindon, so for the time being I will continue to believe that there is real hope, not the destructive future you portray. I respect your right to give the 'benefit of doubt' to Wael Al-Qadi. I've seen nothing after the initial UWE debacle that would indicate he deserves it. Though I think your argument that "Swiss's figures... prove nothing" rather lets you down. You can't 'spin' a balance sheet. We are deep in a financial hole and Wael Al-Qadi cannot fund these huge losses in perpetuity. "so for the time being I will continue to believe that there is real hope". I almost admire your positivity. But it looks like blind faith. Either I am going to get the surprise of my life and Wael produces a new stadium and a sustainable business plan for the future (which I sincerely hope he does) or, the money will run out and the sh*t will hit the fan. For the record. I think Wael Al-Qadi is genuine. I've been lucky enough to meet him. He's a decent person. He means well. He is a Gashead (sadly the only one on the Board). He is also hopelessly out of his depth. He does not appear to have any business acumen. He is badly advised by a weak Board of 'yes' men. And to top it off he appointed an incredibly divisive and unpleasant character as manager. He makes bad decision after bad decision and the buck stops with him. To be fair he acknowledges that. It doesn't stop him making mistakes though.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2021 9:45:15 GMT
We won't agree I don't think, but it can be civil. Ref your first paragraph, that would make sense, if the new owners were forced into the purchase. They weren't. So either they didn't do due diligence, or they did, decided the deal actually was good for the club but somehow let it slip through their fingers. Not sure how Tisdale can be blamed when he was here through a transfer window and was given no support in terms of strengthening the squad. You have to presume that decision came from Wael. He may have been advised by Widdrington, I have no idea, but the final decision, I would imagine, would have been made by Wael. The numbers don't lie, B***** has been the worst of the managers we've had this season. 1 point per game turned into 0.65 points per game. Maybe he'll do better next season, if he's here, if he's not in prison, but the association has tarnished the brand of our club, and based on his performance and rather strange, somewhat disjointed ramblings, I wouldn't place him as a manager in any department I was responsible for. You didn't address the point that, based on the figures provided by Swiss, for which he's provided a link and page number reference, each season, even pre-Covid, the club was losing more than the entire family was earning from their interest in AJIB. That doesn't appear 'unfounded' to me, it looks like something that should cause some concern? This is what makes me smile. You mention due diligence. Many people have bought a company and uncovered things later, and if its a poor deal you walk away. Unless you have a copy of the UWE deal, like me your guessing. The difference is I'm willing to give Wael the benefit of the doubt. Also with respect to Tisdale and January transfer window, you do not know there was no money, though you state as fact. Again wheres the evidence. From the press we were very close to getting Stockley, but he chose a promotion push with Charlton. Therefore there was money available. Lastly I've seen Swiss's figures and to me they prove nothing. Remember with numbers, like statistics if you have an agenda you spin them however you want to prove your point. Others have demonstrated and even the Bristol Post believe we are in a much better financial position. Bondi in his reply states this is all a mirage and almost with glee that this will all fall apart in the next few weeks. If you truly know something that is damaging to our club get it out there, but backed up with real facts. I am sure the press would love to know. Don't just talk in riddles. If it does happen, it will not be something to celebrate, but will put us on par with Swindon, so for the time being I will continue to believe that there is real hope, not the destructive future you portray. This is the thing, there is no 'doubt' to give the benefit of. One thing or the other is the case. Either they bought something without realising what it was, or it was a good deal but for reasons unknown we didn't see it through. It's binary. Sure, we may have talked to someone about joining us in Jan, but here's the crucial bit of evidence that's being ignored. Widdrington insists that the squad is good enough. Tisdale said openly that he had taken these players as far as he could. Wael kept one and let the other go. It turned out that the players weren't good enough. And to put a cherry on top of that stinking pile of manure, B***** managed to make results worse. The figures aren't from Swiss, that's a link direct to the AJIB company accounts. I think it's accurate. Do you know of any additional income streams that Wael has that would make losing circa £3,000,000 a year sustainable for him? Our situation would be far worse than Swindon, namely because we would have had huge equity in our stadium just a couple of years ago, and would have lost it all. But you are right, the nett result is the same, we would be just another bankrupt club.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2021 10:03:57 GMT
You have put forward an honest defence of a guy who really doesn't deserve your loyalty. Disingenuous is a kind word to describe our owner, capitalisation of the debt hanging over the club, I don't think so, family internal trade off for Dad's shares, more likely. Only one man had the authority to appoint Garner, you cant blame anyone else, the board of directors doesn't exist, the club is now one man's toy and boy have the batteries run dry. In 5 weeks time the manager is on trial, no one even takes this into account, listening to Clint Hill's post match interview on Saturday you get the feeling that a few more of those could be taking place at the beginning of next season for at least six months. Don't be sucked in, the owner has ring fenced the other fans forum and now he has launched a bombing raid on this forum by guys that he flatters with his own self importance who cant believe their luck that the owner rings them everyday pleading self pity which of course mistakenly they don't recognise.Just be patient, things will unravel over the next few weeks and a lot of people will feel very badly let down when it does. Good to see good old comedy is alive and well
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Post by droitwichgas on May 3, 2021 10:21:44 GMT
This is what makes me smile. You mention due diligence. Many people have bought a company and uncovered things later, and if its a poor deal you walk away. Unless you have a copy of the UWE deal, like me your guessing. The difference is I'm willing to give Wael the benefit of the doubt. Also with respect to Tisdale and January transfer window, you do not know there was no money, though you state as fact. Again wheres the evidence. From the press we were very close to getting Stockley, but he chose a promotion push with Charlton. Therefore there was money available. Lastly I've seen Swiss's figures and to me they prove nothing. Remember with numbers, like statistics if you have an agenda you spin them however you want to prove your point. Others have demonstrated and even the Bristol Post believe we are in a much better financial position. Bondi in his reply states this is all a mirage and almost with glee that this will all fall apart in the next few weeks. If you truly know something that is damaging to our club get it out there, but backed up with real facts. I am sure the press would love to know. Don't just talk in riddles. If it does happen, it will not be something to celebrate, but will put us on par with Swindon, so for the time being I will continue to believe that there is real hope, not the destructive future you portray. This is the thing, there is no 'doubt' to give the benefit of. One thing or the other is the case. Either they bought something without realising what it was, or it was a good deal but for reasons unknown we didn't see it through. It's binary. Sure, we may have talked to someone about joining us in Jan, but here's the crucial bit of evidence that's being ignored. Widdrington insists that the squad is good enough. Tisdale said openly that he had taken these players as far as he could. Wael kept one and let the other go. It turned out that the players weren't good enough. And to put a cherry on top of that stinking pile of manure, B***** managed to make results worse. The figures aren't from Swiss, that's a link direct to the AJIB company accounts. I think it's accurate. Do you know of any additional income streams that Wael has that would make losing circa £3,000,000 a year sustainable for him? Our situation would be far worse than Swindon, namely because we would have had huge equity in our stadium just a couple of years ago, and would have lost it all. But you are right, the nett result is the same, we would be just another bankrupt club. Re Widdrington's comments the fact we beat Pompey suggests perhaps the squad were good enough? We'll never know if we'd appointed somebody like Cotteril whether he'd have kept us up, or at least kept the fight going to the death. I don't really understand the concern about the club going bankrupt just a few months after Wael cleared the debts and is still spending money at the Quarters.
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Post by holmesgas1 on May 3, 2021 10:34:32 GMT
This is what makes me smile. You mention due diligence. Many people have bought a company and uncovered things later, and if its a poor deal you walk away. Unless you have a copy of the UWE deal, like me your guessing. The difference is I'm willing to give Wael the benefit of the doubt. Also with respect to Tisdale and January transfer window, you do not know there was no money, though you state as fact. Again wheres the evidence. From the press we were very close to getting Stockley, but he chose a promotion push with Charlton. Therefore there was money available. Lastly I've seen Swiss's figures and to me they prove nothing. Remember with numbers, like statistics if you have an agenda you spin them however you want to prove your point. Others have demonstrated and even the Bristol Post believe we are in a much better financial position. Bondi in his reply states this is all a mirage and almost with glee that this will all fall apart in the next few weeks. If you truly know something that is damaging to our club get it out there, but backed up with real facts. I am sure the press would love to know. Don't just talk in riddles. If it does happen, it will not be something to celebrate, but will put us on par with Swindon, so for the time being I will continue to believe that there is real hope, not the destructive future you portray. I respect your right to give the 'benefit of doubt' to Wael Al-Qadi. I've seen nothing after the initial UWE debacle that would indicate he deserves it. Though I think your argument that "Swiss's figures... prove nothing" rather lets you down. You can't 'spin' a balance sheet. We are deep in a financial hole and Wael Al-Qadi cannot fund these huge losses in perpetuity. "so for the time being I will continue to believe that there is real hope". I almost admire your positivity. But it looks like blind faith. Either I am going to get the surprise of my life and Wael produces a new stadium and a sustainable business plan for the future (which I sincerely hope he does) or, the money will run out and the sh*t will hit the fan. For the record. I think Wael Al-Qadi is genuine. I've been lucky enough to meet him. He's a decent person. He means well. He is a Gashead (sadly the only one on the Board). He is also hopelessly out of his depth. He does not appear to have any business acumen. He is badly advised by a weak Board of 'yes' men. And to top it off he appointed an incredibly divisive and unpleasant character as manager. He makes bad decision after bad decision and the buck stops with him. To be fair he acknowledges that. It doesn't stop him making mistakes though. OK guys we are on opposite sides of the same telescope interpreting similar evidence. Both sides want best for the Gas so let's see how things pan out in the next year...
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2021 10:44:01 GMT
This is the thing, there is no 'doubt' to give the benefit of. One thing or the other is the case. Either they bought something without realising what it was, or it was a good deal but for reasons unknown we didn't see it through. It's binary. Sure, we may have talked to someone about joining us in Jan, but here's the crucial bit of evidence that's being ignored. Widdrington insists that the squad is good enough. Tisdale said openly that he had taken these players as far as he could. Wael kept one and let the other go. It turned out that the players weren't good enough. And to put a cherry on top of that stinking pile of manure, B***** managed to make results worse. The figures aren't from Swiss, that's a link direct to the AJIB company accounts. I think it's accurate. Do you know of any additional income streams that Wael has that would make losing circa £3,000,000 a year sustainable for him? Our situation would be far worse than Swindon, namely because we would have had huge equity in our stadium just a couple of years ago, and would have lost it all. But you are right, the nett result is the same, we would be just another bankrupt club. Re Widdrington's comments the fact we beat Pompey suggests perhaps the squad were good enough? We'll never know if we'd appointed somebody like Cotteril whether he'd have kept us up, or at least kept the fight going to the death. I don't really understand the concern about the club going bankrupt just a few months after Wael cleared the debts and is still spending money at the Quarters. So the squad are good enough? In which case they've thrown 3 managers under the bus and dislike B***** more than they disliked The comment about Rovers being bankrupt was a reply to a post from contradiction where he mentioned that if things go horribly wrong it would put us on a par with Swindon. I met an Indian businessman at an auction once, he had been active and had bought several lots, I said to him that he had done well, he replied that any fool can spend money, spending it wisely is more difficult.
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Post by holmesgas1 on May 3, 2021 10:53:03 GMT
Re Widdrington's comments the fact we beat Pompey suggests perhaps the squad were good enough? We'll never know if we'd appointed somebody like Cotteril whether he'd have kept us up, or at least kept the fight going to the death. I don't really understand the concern about the club going bankrupt just a few months after Wael cleared the debts and is still spending money at the Quarters. So the squad are good enough? In which case they've thrown 3 managers under the bus and dislike B***** more than they disliked The comment about Rovers being bankrupt was a reply to a post from contradiction where he mentioned that if things go horribly wrong it would put us on a par with Swindon. I met an Indian businessman at an auction once, he had been active and had bought several lots, I said to him that he had done well, he replied that any fool can spend money, spending it wisely is more difficult. And any fool can make rubbish up on a forum - sorry I could not resist
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2021 11:18:12 GMT
So the squad are good enough? In which case they've thrown 3 managers under the bus and dislike B***** more than they disliked The comment about Rovers being bankrupt was a reply to a post from contradiction where he mentioned that if things go horribly wrong it would put us on a par with Swindon. I met an Indian businessman at an auction once, he had been active and had bought several lots, I said to him that he had done well, he replied that any fool can spend money, spending it wisely is more difficult. And any fool can make rubbish up on a forum - sorry I could not resist Yes, and people do make stuff up, but the points here seems to come down to this; Are the accounts that Swiss linked to real? Does Wael have either residual funds or additional income to continue running Rovers in this way, and if so, for how long can it continue? Is there any kind of plan that's been properly thought through to reverse the slump in fortunes both on and off the field? I think we are asking the same questions and looking for the same answers?
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Post by chelt_gas on May 3, 2021 11:22:57 GMT
Re Widdrington's comments the fact we beat Pompey suggests perhaps the squad were good enough? We'll never know if we'd appointed somebody like Cotteril whether he'd have kept us up, or at least kept the fight going to the death. I don't really understand the concern about the club going bankrupt just a few months after Wael cleared the debts and is still spending money at the Quarters. So the squad are good enough? In which case they've thrown 3 managers under the bus and dislike B***** more than they disliked The comment about Rovers being bankrupt was a reply to a post from contradiction where he mentioned that if things go horribly wrong it would put us on a par with Swindon. I met an Indian businessman at an auction once, he had been active and had bought several lots, I said to him that he had done well, he replied that any fool can spend money, spending it wisely is more difficult. The squad were starting to play for Garner at the start of the season. Tisdale was parachuted in alone and had to use coaches from the Coughlan era and at least Jack Mesure from the Garner era. I'm sure at least some of the coaches he inherited weren't happy with the way things were turning out for them, particularly with Widders getting caretaker gigs direct from the boardroom. B***** has the worst managerial record in Rovers history. Not only that he also overtly demonstrates his poor leadership skills every time he opens his mouth to blame anyone. I do wonder at what point the PFA will intervene when an employed manager compromises the careers of some many players by publicly flogging them. A good manager can get the best out of the players at their disposal. Even if the players are not league one standard a good manager can get the best out of willing players - FA Cup upsets happen because the manager and the team want to fight for the club against the odds. Managers like Cotterill, Paul Cook and DC are much more likely to have got a tune out of this squad.
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Post by kingswood Polak on May 3, 2021 11:25:57 GMT
So the squad are good enough? In which case they've thrown 3 managers under the bus and dislike B***** more than they disliked The comment about Rovers being bankrupt was a reply to a post from contradiction where he mentioned that if things go horribly wrong it would put us on a par with Swindon. I met an Indian businessman at an auction once, he had been active and had bought several lots, I said to him that he had done well, he replied that any fool can spend money, spending it wisely is more difficult. And any fool can make rubbish up on a forum - sorry I could not resist But this is what a forum is for. We can only speculate as we don’t exactly have an owner who is forthright in transparency and communication. I actually feel a bit worried about him. This cannot be doing him much good and I don’t think anyone can live with constant expectation.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2021 11:31:23 GMT
Re Widdrington's comments the fact we beat Pompey suggests perhaps the squad were good enough? We'll never know if we'd appointed somebody like Cotteril whether he'd have kept us up, or at least kept the fight going to the death. I don't really understand the concern about the club going bankrupt just a few months after Wael cleared the debts and is still spending money at the Quarters. So the squad are good enough? In which case they've thrown 3 managers under the bus and dislike B***** more than they disliked The comment about Rovers being bankrupt was a reply to a post from contradiction where he mentioned that if things go horribly wrong it would put us on a par with Swindon.I met an Indian businessman at an auction once, he had been active and had bought several lots, I said to him that he had done well, he replied that any fool can spend money, spending it wisely is more difficult. wasnt me
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2021 11:42:35 GMT
So the squad are good enough? In which case they've thrown 3 managers under the bus and dislike B***** more than they disliked The comment about Rovers being bankrupt was a reply to a post from contradiction where he mentioned that if things go horribly wrong it would put us on a par with Swindon.I met an Indian businessman at an auction once, he had been active and had bought several lots, I said to him that he had done well, he replied that any fool can spend money, spending it wisely is more difficult. wasnt me Sorry, my mistake, it was holmes.
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Post by holmesgas1 on May 4, 2021 10:53:10 GMT
So the squad are good enough? In which case they've thrown 3 managers under the bus and dislike B***** more than they disliked The comment about Rovers being bankrupt was a reply to a post from contradiction where he mentioned that if things go horribly wrong it would put us on a par with Swindon. I met an Indian businessman at an auction once, he had been active and had bought several lots, I said to him that he had done well, he replied that any fool can spend money, spending it wisely is more difficult. The squad were starting to play for Garner at the start of the season. Tisdale was parachuted in alone and had to use coaches from the Coughlan era and at least Jack Mesure from the Garner era. I'm sure at least some of the coaches he inherited weren't happy with the way things were turning out for them, particularly with Widders getting caretaker gigs direct from the boardroom. B***** has the worst managerial record in Rovers history. Not only that he also overtly demonstrates his poor leadership skills every time he opens his mouth to blame anyone. I do wonder at what point the PFA will intervene when an employed manager compromises the careers of some many players by publicly flogging them. A good manager can get the best out of the players at their disposal. Even if the players are not league one standard a good manager can get the best out of willing players - FA Cup upsets happen because the manager and the team want to fight for the club against the odds. Managers like Cotterill, Paul Cook and DC are much more likely to have got a tune out of this squad. Great examples not, Paul Cook and DC, one a hero, and the other who I rate as a manager. DC got nothing out of the 2013/14 bunch that took us down, and Paul Cook similar this season with the bunch of players he inherited at Ipswich. Just listen to his interviews. No different than B*****, give him a chance to see if he can deliver with his own squad. We did that with DC and we all enjoyed the ride.
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Post by The Concept on May 4, 2021 11:46:34 GMT
Similar, but different:
DC = 8 games to save the season. JB = 18 games to save the season (with his own support staff).
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Post by holmesgas1 on May 4, 2021 12:03:35 GMT
Similar, but different: DC = 8 games to save the season. JB = 18 games to save the season (with his own support staff). Still stands though, just shows there is a counter argument, both hold water... All I'm saying it's not black and white, and I'm in give the guy a chance brigade. Whether he will be successful who knows, but I believe he has a better chance than most, due to his contacts, knowledge of the game and drive... Yes others have those skills, but no point just changing for the sake of it.
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Post by droitwichgas on May 4, 2021 17:20:05 GMT
And any fool can make rubbish up on a forum - sorry I could not resist Yes, and people do make stuff up, but the points here seems to come down to this; Are the accounts that Swiss linked to real? Does Wael have either residual funds or additional income to continue running Rovers in this way, and if so, for how long can it continue?Is there any kind of plan that's been properly thought through to reverse the slump in fortunes both on and off the field? I think we are asking the same questions and looking for the same answers? That's a question nobody can answer but just because we can't answer it does mean Wael hasn't got the funds, logic suggests if money was running out he wouldn't have embarked on spending £m's on the Quarters, even submitting additional plans to make the clubhouse bigger plus it also appears declined to accept a loan from the EFL instead spending his own money keeping us going this season. Whilst posters seem to be hoping Wael will run out of money soon and will then have to sell up I sense they are going to be disappointed. Although I don;t get why certains posters seem obsessed with Wael running out of money/failing, as how is that going to help the club we all apparently support? PS The other forum is not "ring fenced" as there's plenty of anti B***** posters on there including the mods!!
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